What is the mind of Christ and how do we attain it?

[Sue D.]

Pisteuo is 4100 in the Strongs. I've been studying every aspect of pisteuo for over 30 years. The fact your just googling it doesn't get me very excited. I thought you were going to point out the " sink holes " in my understanding? You got my hopes up that I might get to know Him better!

I am now in my Strong's looking at 4100 -- is says :from 4102 -- to have faith, etc. the same thing that I found in Google. Truthfulness of God - reliance upon God or a relig. teacher) espec. reliance upon Christ for salvation. --- assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Honestly -- since I've already shared my thoughts of your 5 stages and don't think you agree with me in my thoughts.

I, also suspect that you're okay with getting to know God , Jesus Christ but on Your terms because you are persuaded that the English translation is faulty.

And you've shared that you've been studying every aspect of pisteuo for over 30 years. Do you really believe there Are 'sink holes' in your understanding?

It would probably require a theologeon to sit down with you and share. That person would need to know the ins and outs of Greek and English.

 

[Faither]

One of the things that I don't with you on is that a child can't really accept Jesus Christ as his/ her own personal Savior and be Real about it. Everyone is to be continually growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There Is an age of acountability -- where a child or slightly older child is aware of right and wrong and that They Personally Have done wrong things. Children are capable of understanding Lots more than we adults give them credit for.

And at times , it's Easier for a child To accept Christ because they haven't lived long enough to have much to be feeling guilty about and feel unworthy of Christ.

And I'm also going to share that I feel you're going off a bit to say that a child's faith would be luke-warm 'act of faithing' -- that it wouldn't be doing the cause of Christ any good. I've raised four children.

that which my youngest daughter experienced was the good intentions of a Sunday School teacher who had the children pray a prayer with her and then told them that they were saved. That messed my daughter up until she was an adult.

Your the one who said salvation is so easy, a child could understand it and accept Christ.

 

[Faither]

I am now in my Strong's looking at 4100 -- is says :from 4102 -- to have faith, etc. the same thing that I found in Google. Truthfulness of God - reliance upon God or a relig. teacher) espec. reliance upon Christ for salvation. --- assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Honestly -- since I've already shared my thoughts of your 5 stages and don't think you agree with me in my thoughts.

I, also suspect that you're okay with getting to know God , Jesus Christ but on Your terms because you are persuaded that the English translation is faulty.

And you've shared that you've been studying every aspect of pisteuo for over 30 years. Do you really believe there Are 'sink holes' in your understanding?

It would probably require a theologeon to sit down with you and share. That person would need to know the ins and outs of Greek and English.

Bear said I have sink holes in my understanding.

My teacher of 33 years is a Dr. Of theology from Stanford.

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, it IS that easy -- but each person needs to pray to God for themselves. A group- led prayer by someone else Isn't talking to God themselves.

A child or 99 yr old on their death bed. It's their personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ that is being established.

One of the loop-holes is that it's the Holy Spirit active from the start. The convicting power Of.

It's not especially a particular Greek / English word being used. But the verse being used. 1 Corinthians 15: 1-3 for example -- to be saved. and John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9.

Just saw your post stating that your teacher of 33 yrs. is a Dr. of theology from Stanford -- I do remember you sharing that. Okay -- and so he was the person who pointed out that particular 'mistranslation' of 'pisteuo'?!

And I agree with 'Bear'.

You have all those stages Of that's not really stated that way in Scripture.

 

[Faither]

Yes, it IS that easy -- but each person needs to pray to God for themselves. A group- led prayer by someone else Isn't talking to God themselves.

A child or 99 yr old on their death bed. It's their personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ that is being established.

One of the loop-holes is that it's the Holy Spirit active from the start. The convicting power Of.

It's not especially a particular Greek / English word being used. But the verse being used. 1 Corinthians 15: 1-3 for example -- to be saved. and John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9.

Just saw your post stating that your teacher of 33 yrs. is a Dr. of theology from Stanford -- I do remember you sharing that. Okay -- and so he was the person who pointed out that particular 'mistranslation' of 'pisteuo'?!

And I agree with 'Bear'.

You have all those stages Of that's not really stated that way in Scripture.

Maybe because it's mistranslated?

 

[Sue D.]

You're coming across as mildly 'something' -- you're Determined that a word is mistranslated. And I'm asking about those other verses that talk about 'being saved'.

I'm not saying that anything Is or has been mistranslated.

It's time for me to close for tonight.

tomorrow being Sunday I'll be gone - in and out- most of the day,.

 

[Br. Bear]

Bear said I have sink holes in my understanding.

My teacher of 33 years is a Dr. Of theology from Stanford.

Greetings,

my teacher of 33 years, Who was watching over your teacher while he/she was still in the womb, has been teaching me about patience and i am quite sure it has something to do with the mind of Christ.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

It's time for me to close for tonight.

sleep well, Sue


Bless you ....><>

 

[Faither]

Greetings,

my teacher of 33 years, Who was watching over your teacher while he/she was still in the womb, has been teaching me about patience and i am quite sure it has something to do with the mind of Christ.


Bless you ....><>

Not really!

 

[Faither]

You're coming across as mildly 'something' -- you're Determined that a word is mistranslated. And I'm asking about those other verses that talk about 'being saved'.

I'm not saying that anything Is or has been mistranslated.

It's time for me to close for tonight.

tomorrow being Sunday I'll be gone - in and out- most of the day,.

Why would we discuss scripture, when we can't even agree on the meaning of the most important word the Greek is communicating to us?

You need to leap frog over this, and I can't do that with you.

I've given you guys understanding you probably will never receive again. It would have been nice to get a little thanks and respect, but I'll just accept the fact you didn't really disrespect me either.

Stay teachable!

 

[Br. Bear]

@Faither
Greetings,

Not really!

yes, and it might be an idea if you consider that i am not top of the class yet
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5 Stages of the Salvation Process

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Why would we discuss scripture, when we can't even agree on the meaning of the most important word the Greek is communicating to us?

perhaps open it up in and from Scripture, ie Hebrew? [and a little Chaldean]


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Stay teachable!

good idea!


Bless you ....><>

 

[Sue D.]

Why would we discuss scripture, when we can't even agree on the meaning of the most important word the Greek is communicating to us?

You need to leap frog over this, and I can't do that with you.

I've given you guys understanding you probably will never receive again. It would have been nice to get a little thanks and respect, but I'll just accept the fact you didn't really disrespect me either.

Stay teachable!

There are many other Greek words that are equally as important. The entire New Testament is in Greek. It's all inspired by God.

And, yes, you have been sharing the results of many years of your studying. So -- continue with your studying.

 

[Faither]

There are many other Greek words that are equally as important. The entire New Testament is in Greek. It's all inspired by God.

And, yes, you have been sharing the results of many years of your studying. So -- continue with your studying.

If the Greek word pisteuo isn't fulfilled correctly, none if the other Greek words matter.

 

[Sue D.]

Let's take a look at 2 timothy 3;16 -- "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, vs 17 'that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

 

[Faither]

Let's take a look at 2 timothy 3;16 -- "ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, vs 17 'that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Only if it's yours by having the Spirit of Christ.

No pisteuo, means no Holy Spirit, which means no Christ, which means no promises, which means no doctrine.

It all must start by Faith, faithing, pisteuo correctly started, tested, accepted and maintained.

 

[Sue D.]

FAither -- I'm a born-again believer so I Do have the Holy Spirit indwelling me.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the Word of God. So --in order To accept Christ a person Needs to hear the Gospel unto salvation.

Scripture is for anyone / everyone who is willing to read it or hear it.

It's the convicting power of the Holy Spirit that draws a person to Himself.

 

[Faither]

FAither -- I'm a born-again believer so I Do have the Holy Spirit indwelling me.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the Word of God. So --in order To accept Christ a person Needs to hear the Gospel unto salvation.

Scripture is for anyone / everyone who is willing to read it or hear it.

It's the convicting power of the Holy Spirit that draws a person to Himself.

There's no such thing as a believer.

Your understanding of Rom. 10:17 is incorrect because of another bad translation.

Put the letter "A" in front of the word "hearing" used twice in Rom. 10:17 and tell me what comes to mind.

 

[Sue D.]

Of Course my understanding is faulty / incorrect. What Else is new.

How about 'being saved'. As per 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-3

Or Romans 10: 9 -10 --More bad translations?

 

[Faither]

Of Course my understanding is faulty / incorrect. What Else is new.

How about 'being saved'. As per 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-3

Or Romans 10: 9 -10 --More bad translations?

What comes to mind when you read it with an "A" in front of the words hearing?