What is the mind of Christ and how do we attain it?

[Samson2020]

The one thing I was looking for and hoping to hear from you was your experience with the infilling of the Holy Ghost as that One thing is something you will never forget. Just like your first child, or getting married, but yet having much more substance. I read nothing of casting out of unclean spirits or laying on of hands to the sick or the Lord said to me or the Lord sent me..... etc..... As in Mark 16:17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." These are red letters in my Bible. Examine yourself and ask if any of these are part of your testimony? If not "Without the SPIRIT ye are NONE of his." This explains your railing against what I have said at nearly every turn. You I would say are a good Baptist as I was at one time, but I tell you the truth there is more.

Try this and see if it speaks to you:
"And Adam KNEW Eve his WIFE; and she CONCEIVED........
"And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me ye workers of iniquity."

Notice the KNEW part in each verse. When you CONCEIVE of the HOLY GHOST by the hand of the Lord he then KNOWS you as you have become the BRIDE OF CHRIST. It is the joining of his glorified spirit with yours that creates this NEW spiritual being that now has eyes to see and ears to hear. Until that day the eyes and ears will only see and hear earthly concepts not spiritual.

I hope and pray that you do not receive this as rebuke, for it is intended as instruction.
If you realize that you have not received of the Holy Ghost "Ask and ye shall receive", "Ye have not because ye ask not" because you believe you already have it.

And I would assume that our back and forth would cease here.

 

[Sue D.]

Do you know how to access the 'conversation' part of the Forum. I've left a message there for you.

I will never forget when the Holy Spirit came to indwell me at the time of my salvation.

you're saying that you Have experienced all those things since Your salvation?

We should probably continue 'this' in private conversation. There will be no interruptions by other posters.

 

[Enxu]

And If thine EYE offend thee, PLUCK it out, and cast it from thee.......... SIGHT
If thy HAND or thy FOOT offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee.......TOUCH

This verse is about avoiding sin. We do so by exercising control over how we actually use our eyes and hands etc. It was not about destroying the five senses.

Jesus spoke about it using such graphic terms because He expects us to exercise extreme control over how we use our five senses.

As an example, if every single thing we see today causes us to sin, we should stop using our eyes altogether, which is figuratively like plucking our eyes out. The same goes for the other senses. We are commanded to stop using the senses if using them causes us to sin, not to literally destroy them.

 

[Sue D.]

And if everything we see it causing us to sin? Where are we going? Do we need to change our route to go 'where ever'?

 

[Sue D.]

The one thing I was looking for and hoping to hear from you was your experience with the infilling of the Holy Ghost as that One thing is something you will never forget. Just like your first child, or getting married, but yet having much more substance. I read nothing of casting out of unclean spirits or laying on of hands to the sick or the Lord said to me or the Lord sent me..... etc..... As in Mark 16:17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." These are red letters in my Bible. Examine yourself and ask if any of these are part of your testimony? If not "Without the SPIRIT ye are NONE of his." This explains your railing against what I have said at nearly every turn. You I would say are a good Baptist as I was at one time, but I tell you the truth there is more.

Try this and see if it speaks to you:
"And Adam KNEW Eve his WIFE; and she CONCEIVED........
"And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me ye workers of iniquity."

Notice the KNEW part in each verse. When you CONCEIVE of the HOLY GHOST by the hand of the Lord he then KNOWS you as you have become the BRIDE OF CHRIST. It is the joining of his glorified spirit with yours that creates this NEW spiritual being that now has eyes to see and ears to hear. Until that day the eyes and ears will only see and hear earthly concepts not spiritual.

I hope and pray that you do not receive this as rebuke, for it is intended as instruction.
If you realize that you have not received of the Holy Ghost "Ask and ye shall receive", "Ye have not because ye ask not" because you believe you already have it.

And I would assume that our back and forth would cease here.

Your comparison of the 'Knew'

Adam Knew his wife sexually and she conceived a baby and it was born.

The second use of Knew is not in a sexual way.

Kind of a misapplication of the term 'knew'. You're trying to compare That to our salvation.

 

[Curtis]

What the "physical" eyes can not see, the "spiritual eyes can!

 

[Samson2020]

No the term Knew is applied in both senses to a conception of a newly created being. The Bible says that we understand the spiritual from the observation of the natural. So the conception of a newly created spiritual being has to come from the joining of spiritual genetics from a male and a female spirit. Thius even happened to Jesus, he was the only one that God gave the Holy Ghost too. After that it was up to Jesus Christ to give of the Holy Ghost according to John. The spirit that is in a man or woman is feminine, that is why the Bible speaks of the Bride of Christ. When anyones SPIRIT is joined with the HOLY GHOST it has conceived to the spirit of God and has now become something that has never existed before. Jesus did tell us that you must be BORN AGAIN and this time it would be a spiritual birth. It takes the form of the natural progression in that there is a conception, a maturation process, and eventually a birth. as Paul said:
"It doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know that when he shall appear we shall be like him."
The really cool part is that both sides of the spiritual genetics come from God and as the seed produces after its kind what then should the newly formed spiritual being become? The promises that God made to Abraham were to his son Isaac yes? Well we see here that Abraham and Sarah were half brother and sister, so the union of the half brother and sister produced a child that all the promises of God will flow through. And this was before the LAW, so the LAW could not prevent it from coming.
This was a natural thing explaining a to come spiritual thing and its pretty awesome if you can see it. Forget the sex part and focus on the things of the spirit.

 

[Samson2020]

Curtis, yes that is correct. The human eye can only perceive 3% of the wave length of light that exists. Imagine what the other 97% would reveal if you had eyes that could see what is there. We indeed are blinded more than you know.
After all was it not Jesus himself who kept saying to the masses "Let he who has eyes to see let him see, and ears to hear let him hear." These are the spiritual eyes and ears that he is talking about not the natural as pretty much everybody had those and still could not see or hear him. i.e. understand him.
Even he himself said the words that I speak are SPIRIT AND LIFE. Without spiritual eyes and ears the Bible will just be an earthly work of men and will be read that way, but with them it has a whole new meaning. As we know it is the word of God to teach us doctrine and bring us to him eventually face to face and then we shall see him as he his for we shall be like him.

 

[Curtis]

Curtis, yes that is correct. The human eye can only perceive 3% of the wave length of light that exists. Imagine what the other 97% would reveal if you had eyes that could see what is there. We indeed are blinded more than you know.
After all was it not Jesus himself who kept saying to the masses "Let he who has eyes to see let him see, and ears to hear let him hear." These are the spiritual eyes and ears that he is talking about not the natural as pretty much everybody had those and still could not see or hear him. i.e. understand him.
Even he himself said the words that I speak are SPIRIT AND LIFE. Without spiritual eyes and ears the Bible will just be an earthly work of men and will be read that way, but with them it has a whole new meaning. As we know it is the word of God to teach us doctrine and bring us to him eventually face to face and then we shall see him as he his for we shall be like him.

If Jesus said, "I only do those things that I see my father doing...." He certainly was not talking about his physical eyes! As physical light (Electromatic radiation) gives "vision" to the "physical eyes", "spiritual light" gives vision to the "eyes" of the heart of man (man's spirit)

Eph 5:13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible,
Eph 5:14 for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” (ESV)

 

[Curtis]

Try this and see if it speaks to you:
"And Adam KNEW Eve his WIFE; and she CONCEIVED........
"And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me ye workers of iniquity."

Certainly, when Adam "knew" Eve he had an "intimate" relationship with her to bring forth a son. When Jesus said, ....and you shall "know" the truth....." he was referring to the same thing as having an intimate relationship with him which can only come by continuing in his word.

The word, "know" also means, "to see". How can a person have an intimate relationship with someone or even imitate them unless you can see them?

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word 'know" here is the Greek word, "Eido" which means, "to see". See what? What is the hope of God's calling, and what the riches of the Glory of His (God's) inheritance in the saints! God's inheritance in the saints is "Christ in us" our "hope" of Glory.

Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

The purpose of "light" is not only to give "life" it gives "vision" of who that light is!