The Denominations Speak: The Sabbath

[james1523]

When they accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath, Jesus did not deny that He was working, rather He said:

But Jesus replied, "My Father is always working, and so am I." ( John 5:17).

Jesus always worked, because the Father is always working and never rests. And because Jesus always worked, we too must always work and not rest on the Sabbath.
Jesus never observed the 7th day Sabbath.
The Sabbath day is when Christians cease their secular work and should be working for the advancement of God's kingdom.

Scripture explicitly says Jesus broke the Sabbath:
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[brakelite]

Perhaps the Sabbath keepers could please tell us if keeping the Sabbath gives them life?

Gal 3:21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

True James. The law was never given to impart life. And obedience to the law doesn't give life either. No, the life comes first James. Obedience is a fruit of that life.

 

[brakelite]

@james1523, @DHC, and any others who are taking the side of the Pharisees against Jesus and claiming that because Jesus healed people and did good on the Sabbath, then this constituted profaning/breaking/desecrating/transgressing against the 4th commandment.

When they accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath, Jesus did not deny that He was working, rather He said:

But Jesus replied, "My Father is always working, and so am I." ( John 5:17).

This is quite true. Jesus was doing exactly what the Father would have done if He were walking upon the earth. In fact, the Father even works in heaven and yes, as Jesus implied, even on the Sabbath day!! But let us go a little deeper than this superficial perusal of the scripture, and let us see what particular work the Father and Son were actually doing, and we will see if the Pharisees, and some members of this forum, were right in their condemnation of Jesus in that in their estimation, Jesus (and God the Father by extension) actiually broke the Sabbath.

What kind of work is it that the Father does on the Sabbath? I will cite just two examples and I think that should suffice to make my point. First, He continues to allow the sun to shine upon man that he may be blessed and healed by its warmth and light. The modern legalistic Jew wouldn't do this. He wouldn't even turn the power on in his house to warm his cold and aging parents. Is this honouring father and mother? Is it necessary to break the 5th commandment in order to obey the 4th? Jesus clearly disagreed with the Pharisees that He was breaking the Sabbath. He specifically said that it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath days. Second example. Does God halt all His efforts in drawing pople into His kingdom on the Sabbath? Does the Holy Spirit cease from convicting men and women of their need of a Saviour on Sabbath? Of course not, yet all these things are the work of God. Jesus never ceased blessing man 7 days a week. Healing, preaching, loving, all these 'works' were what He and the Father are all about. They don't cease from doing good...from blessing man...from drawing man to the cross...from providing all that is necessary for man's health and happiness...from doing all that is neccessary for the advancement of the kingdom. But not one of these is selfishor secular money making ventures that are explicitly forbbiden in the 4th commandment. And what'smore, I suspect you all know this but are stretching scripture in order to defend the indefensable.

Jesus always worked, because the Father is always working and never rests.

Just thepoint I was making James. But.....

. And because Jesus always worked, we too must always work and not rest on the Sabbath.

This is taking a great big leap in presumption, unless you are referring only to those works that are a benefit and blessing to others...such as preaching the gospel...administering health or medicines to the infirm...visiting the sick and elderly...etc etc. Yes?

Jesus never observed the 7th day Sabbath.

The scrptures disagree.
Isaiah said that the Messiah would come and that...Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
As Jesus said, doing well on the Sabbath day is not breaking the Sabbath, it is lawful to do well, it is entirely in keeping with the intent of the law, and with the intent of establishing the Sabbath in the first place.

The Sabbath day is when Christians cease their secular work and should be working for the advancement of God's kingdom.

Yes.

Scripture explicitly says Jesus broke the Sabbath:
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

No, because Jesus disagreed with them. It is the Pharisees who in their estimation were condemning Jesus of breaking the Sabbath. Jesus corrected them.

 

[ushalk]

Time for denominations to sit in silence, they are not found in the Bible and they are not going to be found in heaven either. Therefore they are not the church on earth either. So there is no room for them to speak out and keep poison the world. Christ is the only salvation and the only leader of the truth.

 

[brakelite]

Time for denominations to sit in silence, they are not found in the Bible and they are not going to be found in heaven either. Therefore they are not the church on earth either. So there is no room for them to speak out and keep poison the world. Christ is the only salvation and the only leader of the truth.

This subject is not denominational. We are talking about one of God's laws. One of His commandments. We are talking about a day which God set apart, (sanctified), and made holy, for the benefit of mankind, that man may be blessed by spending an entire day with His Maker. This day, God established before sin, before Jewry, before Sinai, before denomination was even a word. The Sabbath pre-dates every institution known to man, except marriage. It is a day honoured by at least 400 different independant church bodies that I know of. As well as several denominations. It is a day that has been honored throughout the Christian era, and for 4000 years prior to that.

God specifically asks us to remember it. And because of your personal angst against denominations, you are asking us to forget?

 

[ushalk]

This subject is not denominational. We are talking about one of God's laws. One of His commandments. We are talking about a day which God set apart, (sanctified), and made holy, for the benefit of mankind, that man may be blessed by spending an entire day with His Maker. This day, God established before sin, before Jewry, before Sinai, before denomination was even a word. The Sabbath pre-dates every institution known to man, except marriage. It is a day honoured by at least 400 different independant church bodies that I know of. As well as several denominations. It is a day that has been honored throughout the Christian era, and for 4000 years prior to that.

God specifically asks us to remember it. And because of your personal angst against denominations, you are asking us to forget?

yes i know, but the title states demonations speak out, the sabbath. demonations have nothing to speak out about anything including the sabbath. that is the only point i am making.

 

[DHC]

This day, God established before sin, before Jewry, before Sinai, before denomination was even a word.

Hello Brakelite.

Did God institute the seventh day as a day of rest, as soon as he had done His work of creation?

Let us look at what the Bible says: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day,
and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” (Genesis 2:2-3)

Clearly God rested from His labors on that day and sanctified that day.

But every thing that God had made was good, and when he made Adam and Eve, and the garden of Eden,
and the abundant fruits of the garden for Adam and Eve to pick from the trees as they passed, all that was good.
And so where was the labor that Adam and Eve did in Eden? Every day was alike to them, and was good because
all that the Lord had made was good. And Eden was God’s garden, where He came and spoke to His created man and woman.

He gave Adam one commandment, and this was not about the keeping of days:
“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Genesis 2:16-17).

In Eden there was no labor from which to rest, and so we see plainly that Jesus’ words were right, that man was not made for the sabbath.
Man was not made to labor and then to rest, but to dwell in God’s presence, in God’s garden. But Adam disobeyed God’s commandment,
and was cast out of Eden, with Eve; and God said to him, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread” (Genesis 3:19), which shows where man’s labor began.

This is logical Brakelite, to say that a sabbath was commanded before sin is entirely incorrect.

Sin caused work to be performed by man, before sin there was no work, no rest, no sabbath.

I am interested in how you justify your statement.

 

[whearn1]

Hello Brothers and Sisters,
I'm new here, but just wanted to share in this topic. When it come to keeping the Sabbath we should take a look at what God said in his commandment concerning the Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11 KJV, 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy., 9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10. But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11. For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.. This was the commandment given to the Children Of Israel, later known as the Jews. The commandment said nothing about worship on this day, but speaks about holiness and rest. Like every other commandment given them this one was broken too. When we come to the New Covenant God says in Hebrew 4:9-11 ( 9. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. 11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.) we can now enter in to that Sabbath rest through Christ our Sabbath. Having therefore ceased from our own work, as Christians we can meet on any day of the week we can agree on. Our praise and worship is continual, not once a week. In Christ there are no Jews or Gentiles only Christians, the Law brought all to Christ, who given rest to all his children. Matt 11:28-29 28.Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Are you resting in HIS finished work?

 

[spirit1st]

He has changed . He no longer is accepting a day or two once in a while . He Now expects it all . a living sacrifice , an endless life for Him.

Plus the Sabbath was under the old testament .the one Covenant . The New demands a daily life and Eternal life for him and His new Laws which were always God eternal laws . Love and faith .

Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith:

The New Testament begin After He died on the Cross and rose to New Jerusalem . Everything before that that under the Old Covenant .

I know many are still preaching the old laws and the old testament and either Do not know the truth or refuse to preach it and Live under Faith and Love?

 

[brakelite]

Hello Brakelite. Did God institute the seventh day as a day of rest, as soon as he had done His work of creation? Let us look at what the Bible says: “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” (Genesis 2:2-3) Clearly God rested from His labors on that day and sanctified that day. But every thing that God had made was good, and when he made Adam and Eve, and the garden of Eden, and the abundant fruits of the garden for Adam and Eve to pick from the trees as they passed, all that was good. And so where was the labor that Adam and Eve did in Eden? Every day was alike to them, and was good because all that the Lord had made was good. And Eden was God’s garden, where He came and spoke to His created man and woman. He gave Adam one commandment, and this was not about the keeping of days: “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eat thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Genesis 2:16-17). In Eden there was no labor from which to rest, and so we see plainly that Jesus’ words were right, that man was not made for the sabbath. Man was not made to labor and then to rest, but to dwell in God’s presence, in God’s garden. But Adam disobeyed God’s commandment, and was cast out of Eden, with Eve; and God said to him, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread” (Genesis 3:19), which shows where man’s labor began. This is logical Brakelite, to say that a sabbath was commanded before sin is entirely incorrect. Sin caused work to be performed by man, before sin there was no work, no rest, no sabbath. I am interested in how you justify your statement.

The Sabbath wasn't instituted just as a rest from labour. It was designed to take man away from the things of this world, and give him one day in which he can wholly focus on the things of the spirit. Read the last few verses of Isaiah 58. There is more than just 'work' involved here. Adam may not have had the 'labour' that he inherited as a result of sin, but he was given the charge to 'dress' the garden and to tend it. This involved activity...God did not create man to lay around on his back-side being entertained or to get bored. Industriousness was a moral virtue inherent in our created psyche. Further, as has been already mentioned several times and which some conveniently forget, the Sabbath was made, according to Jesus Himself, for mankind's benefit. The Sabbath was made on the 7th day of creation. It was in fact the very final act of creation. Remembering that it was Jesus who was/is the Creator, and that He Himself said that He was Lord of the Sabbath, therefore the Sabbath is the Lord's day. Do you suppose that Jesus made this day for the benefit of mankind, but forget to tell Adam? Of if He did share it with Adam, (as must be presumed because Adam was just one day old when the first Sabbath came along...it would hardly be credible that such an important day would not be discussed and explained by the Lord on that day). So if it was shared with Adam as seems logical, then if for mankind, would it not be reasonable that Adam share it with his descendants? Which by the time of the period of slavery in Egypt, had been forgotten and over-ridden by the enforced rigours of slavery and pagan indoctrination. Hence the call at Sinai to 'remember' the Sabbath. So, yes, if made for man, then it is illogical to think that God forgot to tell man about it until Sinai. You seem to forget that the Sabbath was given as a gift, not a acommandment to be ignored or shunned at all cost.

 

[bgsda]

So Ushalk or anyone else that believes there was no denominations in the BibleRead john 4 with the Samaritan woman. Christ clearly made a distinction.

 

[james1523]

So Ushalk or anyone else that believes there was no denominations in the BibleRead john 4 with the Samaritan woman. Christ clearly made a distinction.

There were no Christian denominations mentioned in the Bible.
The division of Israel and the degradation of Judaism into different sects and parties happened but was not ideal.

 

[brakelite]

yes i know, but the title states demonations speak out, the sabbath. demonations have nothing to speak out about anything including the sabbath. that is the only point i am making.

I might point out however something I believe that someone mentioned earlier in the thread. In Revelation 12 there is a reference to the end-time church .... the description of this church is in stark contrast to the thinking of so many here and elsewhere who claim that it isn't necessary to be commandment keepers. God is saying in Revel.12 that along with faith, and the spirit of prophecy, commandment keeping is a specific characteristic of His people. Not all Christians believe in the commandments. Or if they do, they only accept nine of them. In Revelation 14 mention is made of individuals who are commandment keepers. You may not believe in denominations as being relevant. But in these passages God is making a distinction between one small group, a 'remnant', and the rest of Christianity. Whether tis constitutes a 'denomination', or a movement, or even a specific sect, I will leave that for you to decide.

If one becomes a Christian and chooses to follow the Bible and the Bible only, will he not choose to fellowship with like-minded people? If these in his estimation and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit constitute a specific denomination, then.... I do agree with you however, that in heaven there will be no-one who will be there because he/she belonged to a specific denomination. Many will be there despite being a part of a denomination.

 

[spirit1st]

The Question becomes ? Was He speaking of the 10 commandments or Jesus Christ commandments? Are they different?

I say yes of course. Trying to live by the laws given to Moses is counting them higher than the laws given by JESUS.

The ten commandment were holy but lacking Perfection . they were in part. Love and faith completes them .

The first two commandments would only be the perfect two then . Even they would be covered by Perfect Love.

In love we could kill . What? Yes because we can protect our families and others.
In Love we could steal ? What? Yes because if we were at the point of death and our families were in bad shape? We could steal food or whatever we had to have?

The point is always the same? Why Do we do what we do? Do we have a good reason ? Would God have mercy ,because of the reason or not?

I know we all tend to want to judge everything one and everything in life. But we just are Not able to see it all . He is. We want to live by sight. Just what we see as if that perfect truth . It not always for sure.

The best thing in my mind is to have mercy as much as you can and judge those things we know is sin . Still love that person and reveal the truth or pray for them if you believe they are doing something evil .That God will reveal it to them . We need to be careful we do not do the devils work in others lives?

God work is LOVE . Love gives mercy , But it does rebuke art times. But Love the main thing .

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In other wards? If you obey these two you have obeyed them all .

Because it about LOVE . But still we must have faith also. But that not really a problem because if Born -Again? He puts the LOVE and Faith within us any way.

That why None of us can think we are better than others. He done it all . You just need to reap and live what He did and Not think your done it your self.

Rom_4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Mar_9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
Luk_9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another

 

[brakelite]

Was He speaking of the 10 commandments or Jesus Christ commandments? Are they different?

No Spirit 1st. It was Jesus who stood upon Mt Sniai and gave Moses the Ten Commandments.

 

[Boanerges]

And only Jesus could fulfill them for us. :smiley:

 

[spirit1st]

Yes Your correct that was my LORD JESUS . But Do you believe this scripture ?
Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And if indeed He changed it ? Then what could He have changed it too?
Love and Faith

What were the Ten Commandments?
2Co_3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel

How could these two stones mean DEATH too ALL?
Because no one could keep them 100% They killed all mankind 100%

Jesus has a better way for us ? Love and faith we either accept the better way or perish as they did?

Our Faith is no longer in ourselves . But in HIM Alone.

1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Does this mean ? Our fleshly Works will not get us into Heaven ? Only our spiritual work with ? YES.
We will be rewarded for the Love we show others. But that the only rewards we going to reap.
And Salvation is a Free Spiritual gift given to all willing to accept our Lord Sacrifice and Him as LORD .

Trying to live as if the stones of Death were the way is Really like spiting into JESUS CHRIST face. As If what He did was not so important.

When it our Only hope for Eternal life.

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Pe_1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Jn_4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn_4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Rom_4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Joh_6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Listen ,People have been using the Old Testament for years to get money [tithes] to use people as slaves to there religion or cult? Keep people in some kind of bondage? Jesus came too set us FREE. Now we are only bound by LOVE and Faith . Living in Liberty.

He wants to be able to reward us Lots one day if we just listen to Him and walk in Love and Faith.
Man wants to control man , and keep Him at his will . It a One on One walk with our LORD JESUS. He able to reveal what He wants from us ,if we are willing to seek Him and ask Him and obey HIM.

Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

The Only Laws He puts within us are LOVE and Faith.

 

[brakelite]

Hello @Chad. Was looking back over this thread and noticed that you asked some questions of Herald who for whatever reason, failed to respond. If I may, I would like to venture an answer or two. And yes, your questions are quite relevant, and do need answering. I don't have a great deal of time on my hands, but will deal with them one or more at a time and come back and see if I can satisfy your desire for some sort of respponse.

Herald, what is this? Since when is "Rome" any authority of the Holy Bible? Catholics / Rome have ZERO authority over the Word of GOD, so your point is rendered without merit.

So, first off, the question of Rome's authority: I fully agree with you...Rome has no authority over scripture. Neither to claim sole right to interpret as she does, nor to claim that Catholic tradition is equal to, or in some cases above, God's word. Herald wasn't saying that Rome does have authority, but rather, that Rome claims authoority over the Bible. She (Rome) teaches, as I am sure you are well aware, that her traditions can over-rule scripture if the Curia or Magisterium so agree. This was made abundantly clear during the council of Trent when the church was arguing against the reformers, and discussing how to defend themselves against their claims of scriptural heresy. The Bishop of Reggio I think came up with the solution at that time by saying that because the RCC changed the day of worship from Sabbath to the Sunday, and that all the Protestants agreed with that change in their continuing to honor Sunday, thus holding to (Catholic) tradition themselves over the word of God. Now, I know you are going to debate whether Rome was responsible for the change, by claiming that the Bible itself justifies the change. That I believe is why Herald quoted those scholars of various denominations who through their own study of the scriptures were unable to defend Sunday from a scriptural viewpoint. Now maybe you can...and thats the issue isn't it...the big question....is there any Biblical warrant for a change from Sabbath to Sunday? I do believe I have answered that question in subsequent posts. To the rest of your questions, and any others you are welcome to raise, I will have to leave to another time.
God bless. BL

 

[brakelite]

The key to understanding this issue is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to make the Israelites know how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments for example), some of them were to show them how to worship God (the sacrificial system), some of them were to simply make the Israelites different from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law applies to us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, we are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). Technically, the Ten Commandments are not even applicable to Christians. However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we won't be worshipping other gods or worshipping idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we won't be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. So, we are not under any of the requirements of the Old Testament law. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we do those two things faithfully, everything else will fall into place.

I think I answered this here....http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/21455-denominations-speak-sabbath-6.html#post216858.....and in numerous other places throughout the forum on many different threads....

What is interesting about the above quote is that it is another variation on the same theme. There are so many different propositions and ideas forwarded by those opposed to Sabbath keeping...some say the law doesn't apply...others that the law does apply except for the 4th commandment...others say the day was changed...others that there is now no specific day and that so long as one day out of seven is kept aside for rest than that;s okay...yet others suggest that their 'rest in Christ' replaces the Sabbath. It sems to me that the only thing in common with those who deny the Sabbath is that they deny the Sabbath. Their reasons for doing so however is a matter of great confusion. Which itself is interesting considering the base meaning of the word 'Babylon".

The above has a combimination of two...and actually comes closer to the truth in doing so. While proffering correctly that love fulfils the law, it attempts to omit the 4th commandment on the grounds that no-one happpened to mention it in their letters. This I have seen before from others...and it overlooks the historical and Biblical record that the apostles, the apostolic church, Gentile and Jew, observed the Sabbath faithfully at least until the close of the first century. While history records that Sunday keeping began to gain in popularity very early in Christian history, the reason for this practice has never been based on scriptural exegesis, but was in the beginning for reasons of convenience and to avoid persecution, first from the pagan Romans who grew to despise Jewry and the Sabbath as it was a sign of Jewish "nonconformity", and second from Roman Catholicism as they sought to stamp their authority on Christianity using their 'baby', Sunday, which they 'Christened' the "Lord's Day", as a mark of that authority. I suggest some do some research into the establishment of the easter "holy"days by Rome and see for yourselves how closely related to the enforcement of Sunday observance upon the early church this was.

 

[james1523]

Jesus fulfilled the commandments because He gave the commandments.
When we have Jesus we don't need the commandments.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Luke 6:5).
He has the same authority as the one who gave the law at Mount Sinai.
This is because He was the one who gave Moses the law.

In Judaism it is wrong for a gentile to keep the Sabbath in the manner of the Jews.
And according to the Laws of Noah, there is no such command for gentile to keep the Sabbath.
This is because Sabbath is a sign between God and his people the Israelites.
For a gentile to keep the Sabbath can harm their soul rather than help it.