Repentance ( Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? )

[GodB4Us]

No man by nature seeks the True God or understands Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Until you bow to this Truth, there is nothing I can show you from scripture that will instruct you !

Right. No man by nature seeks God for why those that do seek God, it is because the Father is drawing them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him and be saved.

Their seeking God and their believing in God is a manifested work of the Father in drawing them unto the Son to be given to the Son to be saved by Him.

Until the Father draws them unto the Son, they cannot seek Him to find Him to believe in Him to be saved.

 

[GodB4Us]

That is another false teaching. Nowhere does the scriptures say God drags us.

The powerful message of Jesus dying on the cross for us draws us.


John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Here are more reasons why we are drawn.


See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.

We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.


Give up your false bozo teachings of God dragging us or enabling us.


We have to confess and repent of our sins before we are saved.

Do you believe what the Lord says of you?

 

[God's Truth]

@Brightfame52 applies Romans 3:11 as the truth that no one seeks after God.

She was taught wrong about it like you were.

Paul was quoting scripture from the Old Testament about a CERTAIN TIME. Paul was just showing that Jews can be sinners like Gentiles.

So that is why it is on the Father to draw us as in dragging us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us Matthew 11:25-27 so we can believe in Him and be saved.

NO SUCH THING. You preach falseness from teachers.

I gave you scriptures of how we are drawn and NO SCRIPTURE SAYS WHAT YOU SAY.

Give the scripture that says God drags us or REPENT for spreading lies.

Until you can get around the truth of Romans 3:11 for why the Father has to draw us unto the Son John 6:44

You have no understanding, even though I explained it plainly to you. You are so afraid of me and what I say that you don't read and listen.

That proves you don't have truth.

in seeking the Son & reveal His Son to us so we can believe in Him to be saved, thus He is giving us unto the Son John 6:37 where His will is that whosoever believes in Him will be saved John 6:40, you are stuck with your misapplication of His words regarding repent for what that repent means in order to receive the remission of sins & to be born again of the Spirit.

You don't have a double edged sword or else you wouldn't be afraid to read what I say.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you believe what the Lord says of you?

You need to obey Jesus and repent of all your false teachings.

 

[God's Truth]

Right. No man by nature seeks God for why those that do seek God, it is because the Father is drawing them unto the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe in Him and be saved.

Their seeking God and their believing in God is a manifested work of the Father in drawing them unto the Son to be given to the Son to be saved by Him.

Until the Father draws them unto the Son, they cannot seek Him to find Him to believe in Him to be saved.

She is saying God saves them first while they are unbelievers. You are tangled up with her beliefs because she is a Calvinist and you are probably from a sect of Lutheranism.

 

[GodB4Us]

I gave you scriptures of how we are drawn and NO SCRIPTURE SAYS WHAT YOU SAY.

Give the scripture that says God drags us or REPENT for spreading lies.

John 6:44 Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary Quoting below from the link

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oudeiV dunatai elqein proV me ean mh o pathr o pemyaV me elkush auton kai egw anasthsw auton th escath hmera 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. elkuw helkuo hel-koo'-o or helko hel'-ko; probably akin to aireomai - haireomai 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):--draw. Compare elissw - helisso 1667.

 

[GodB4Us]

She is saying God saves them first while they are unbelievers.

Jesus did comes into the world to save sinners, but I'd say sinners need to be saved first so they can have Jesus Christ in them to live a life of repentance after salvation. I am not sure exactly how @Brightfame52 is meaning by first.

You are tangled up with her beliefs because she is a Calvinist and you are probably from a sect of Lutheranism.

I am neither Calvinist nor Lutheran. You may accuse me of having similar beliefs with them but I am neither affiliated to call myself a Calvinist nor a Lutheran because I do not agree with everything either one of them teaches.

 

[God's Truth]

John 6:44 Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary Quoting below from the link

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oudeiV dunatai elqein proV me ean mh o pathr o pemyaV me elkush auton kai egw anasthsw auton th escath hmera 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. elkuw helkuo hel-koo'-o or helko hel'-ko; probably akin to aireomai - haireomai 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):--draw. Compare elissw - helisso 1667.

You had to get a definition from a Calvinist/Lutheran ! lol

You can't find it in the Bible so you get it from Mr. Strong and his definition.

Go to the Bible and get it from the scriptures.

 

[GodB4Us]

You need to obey Jesus and repent of all your false teachings.

You have yet to obey Jesus & the calling of the gospel that by believing in Him is how you are saved.

 

[God's Truth]

You have yet to obey Jesus & the calling of the gospel that by believing in Him is how you are saved.

You teach everything wrong about the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus did comes into the world to save sinners, but I'd say sinners need to be saved first so they can have Jesus Christ in them to live a life of repentance after salvation.

She is a Calvinist and teaches that a person is already saved and then they hear about Jesus and believe because they are already saved.

You are from a Lutheran sect that says God gives a special enabling to you so that you can believe when you hear about Jesus and that believing is how you are saved.

However, both your doctrines are wrong.

Jesus says to repent of your sins and believe.

I am not sure exactly how @Brightfame52 is meaning by first.

I am neither Calvinist nor Lutheran.

It doesn't matter how much you deny it.

You may accuse me of having similar beliefs with them but I am neither affiliated to call myself a Calvinist nor a Lutheran because I do not agree with everything either one of them teaches.

There are many sects that come from Luther and Calvin.

 

[God's Truth]

You have yet to obey Jesus & the calling of the gospel that by believing in Him is how you are saved.

Believing alone does NOT save.

 

[GodB4Us]

You had to get a definition from a CalvinistLutheran ! lol

James Strong (August 14, 1822 – August 7, 1894) was an American academic, biblical scholar, lexicographer, Methodist theologian and professor, best known for being the creator of Strong's Concordance.

Internet search shows he is a Methodist and not a Lutheran. Try as I might, but the internet search results refuses to tell me that he is a Calvinist.

You can't find it in the Bible so you get it from Mr. Strong and his definition.

I do not agree with everything presented in Strong's Concordance since we are to prove everything by Him.

Go to the Bible and get it from the scriptures.

Do you rely on your own intellect rather than wisdom from the Lord? Why don't you tell me what "draw" is meaning then?

I'd say drag can be the meaning for draw since Romans 3:11 testify that no one seeks God for why the Father has to drag them because of their sinful nature to the Son to reveal His Son to them so they can believe.

Since sin separates us from God and drives us away from the Holy God, it stands to reasons why the Father has to drag us to the Son, does it not?

Unless you can explain what draw means for why the Father has to do it for us to come unto the Son, I see by Him why the word draw can be seen as drag, can't you?

 

[GodB4Us]

She is a Calvinist and teaches that a person is already saved and then they hear about Jesus and believe because they are already saved.

You are from a Lutheran sect that says God gives a special enabling to you so that you can believe when you hear about Jesus and that believing is how you are saved.

However, both your doctrines are wrong.

Jesus says to repent of your sins and believe.


It doesn't matter how much you deny it.

There are many sects that come from Luther and Calvin.

I am sure those sects identify as Luther &/or Calvin, but I can speak to errors in both of them for why they would not consider me Lutheran nor Calvinist.

 

[GodB4Us]

Believing alone does NOT save.

Jesus is able to save all those that believe in Him. It is the will of the Father as written per John 6:40 and this is what pleases God in how Jesus is saving those that believe per 1 Corinthians 1:21.

 

[God's Truth]

James Strong (August 14, 1822 – August 7, 1894) was an American academic, biblical scholar, lexicographer, Methodist theologian and professor, best known for being the creator of Strong's Concordance.

I have already explained this to you many times before. Mr. Strong is of the Lutheran sect. Their beliefs are the same. Just listen to that God dragging you part. That is a teaching of many faith alone sects.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you rely on your own intellect rather than wisdom from the Lord? Why don't you tell me what "draw" is meaning then?

ARE YOU KIDDING?

I GAVE YOU SCRIPTURES.

You do this to me all the time. I give you scriptures and explain things to you and you act like I didn't.

 

[God's Truth]

@GodB4Us

Nowhere does the scriptures say God drags us.

The powerful message of Jesus dying on the cross for us draws us.


John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Here are more reasons why we are drawn.


See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.

We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us

Nowhere does the scriptures say God drags us.

The powerful message of Jesus dying on the cross for us draws us.


John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Do you agree that sin separates us from God or not?

Do you agree that our sins makes us go away from our Holy God like it did to Adam to hide himself when God came?

Then what kind of drawing do you see if it is not God dragging us unto the Son because our sinful nature is forcing us away from our Holy God?

Here are more reasons why we are drawn.


See Titus 1:2; and, 3:7. We have HOPE of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time.

We long for an immortal physical body, we desire, we hope for the redemption of our bodies. For in this HOPE we turn to God and are saved. See Romans 8:23-25.

We DRAW near to God because of a better HOPE given us than that of the law; we hope in the perfection we receive through Jesus. See Hebrews 7:18, 19.

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Let us go back to John 12:32 and expound on that verse.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Meaning the cross but I ask you what that drawing is to accomplish for Him being raised up like that.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So He was lifted up so we can believe in Him to be saved. That is what the drawing was to accomplish. After salvation is a life of repentance in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son until that day our redemption draweth nigh where He will have perfected us to never sin against Him ever again.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you agree that sin separates us from God or not?

Of course.

Do you agree that our sins makes us go away from our Holy God like it did to Adam to hide himself when God came?

Only those who want to hide their sins.

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

There are people who come to the light.

Then what kind of drawing do you see if it is not God dragging us unto the Son because our sinful nature is forcing us away from our Holy God?

I can hardly stand to read what false teachers say as if God says it.
Give the scripture that says God drags us to Him.

Let us go back to John 12:32 and expound on that verse.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Meaning the cross but I ask you what that drawing is to accomplish for Him being raised up like that.

I gave you the scriptures and explained but you can't see them?

We are drawn to the Greatest Love, the son of God dying for us.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So He was lifted up so we can believe in Him to be saved. That is what the drawing was to accomplish. After salvation is a life of repentance in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily thus walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son until that day our redemption draweth nigh where He will have perfected us to never sin against Him ever again.

I already explained it to you before many times!

The people in the dessert might not have died of their snake bites because they looked at the bronze snake, BUT THEY STILL DIDN'T GET TO THE PROMISED LAND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T OBEY.

Hebrews 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

Numbers 14:22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times--