Repentance ( Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? )

[God's Truth]

The Lost Sheep of Israel were jews and gentiles, that was the Mystery !

The UNCIRCUMCISED Gentiles were NOT the lost sheep of Israel.

They were the ENEMIES of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

The UNCIRCUMCISED Gentiles were NOT the lost sheep of Israel.

They were the ENEMIES of God.

Again the Mystery was that both jews and gentiles comprised the House of Israel.

 

[God's Truth]

Again the Mystery was that both jews and gentiles comprised the House of Israel.

No. The Gentiles were enemies and had to become sheep.

 

[GodB4Us]

The Drawing is saving, its the New Birth, so men believe because they are saved.

If the Father drawing us being done to bring us unto the Son, it cannot be the new birth yet until they have arrived on the Son by believing in Him to be saved.

Since we prophesy in part in know in part, I am certain that being precise in the mechanics of His wordings to know when we are saved should not overlook the truth that by believing in Him as enabled by the Father is how we are saved.

 

[GodB4Us]

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Thats why God gives a new nature, He doesnt drag the person against their will, when He gave them a new birth, with a new heart and nature, they willingly come by the power of Grace. Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

God the Father has to drag us to the Son because of our sinful nature to hide from the Holy God thus not seeking Him at all so the drawing is the Father enabling us to seek Him, and it is at our salvation moment when we believe in Jesus Christ is when we have been born again of the Spirit and not before.

 

[Brightfame52]

No. The Gentiles were enemies and had to become sheep.

Jews were enemies. Rom 11:28


As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Again, The Mystery is that Gentiles were included in the House of Israel, and had the same Gospel promises .

 

[Brightfame52]

If the Father drawing us being done to bring us unto the Son, it cannot be the new birth yet until they have arrived on the Son by believing in Him to be saved.

Since we prophesy in part in know in part, I am certain that being precise in the mechanics of His wordings to know when we are saved should not overlook the truth that by believing in Him as enabled by the Father is how we are saved.

It is the New Birth, He puts His Spirit in a person, and causes them to obey Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

That causing them to walk is the drawing them, yet previous to that He puts a New Heart in them and a New Spirit, thats the New Birth.

The word walk , as in" I will cause you to walk" its the word yālaḵ:
to lead, bring, lead away, carry, cause to walk

Thats what drawing does

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Impel means:
to drive or cause to move onward; propel; impart motion to.

So see drawing is the result of the New Birth ! I know this is hard for you to accept !

 

[GodB4Us]

It is the New Birth, He puts His Spirit in a person, and causes them to obey Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

That causing them to walk is the drawing them, yet previous to that He puts a New Heart in them and a New Spirit, thats the New Birth.

The word walk , as in" I will cause you to walk" its the word yālaḵ:
to lead, bring, lead away, carry, cause to walk

Thats what drawing does

1. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

Impel means:
to drive or cause to move onward; propel; impart motion to.

So see drawing is the result of the New Birth ! I know this is hard for you to accept !

Still see it as what is happening before the new birth as leading up to the new birth.

 

[God's Truth]

Jews were enemies. Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

When Jesus came to earth he only came for the lost sheep of Israel and the GENTILES were the ENEMIES.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

The Jews who did not have faith were cut off and hardened and became enemies LIKE THE GENTILES.

Again, The Mystery is that Gentiles were included in the House of Israel, and had the same Gospel promises .

The Gentiles were NOT able to get saved until Jesus was crucified.

 

[Brightfame52]

Still see it as what is happening before the new birth as leading up to the new birth.

I cant help what you cant see. I have provided a scriptural basis for what I stated.

 

[Brightfame52]

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When Jesus came to earth he only came for the lost sheep of Israel and the GENTILES were the ENEMIES.

What was a Mystery, is that Gentiles did also belong to the House of Israel Jesus came to save, the very woman He spake to was a Gentile, He came to save her. The woman of Samaria was a Gentile, He came to save her because she was of the Spiritual House of Israel. Also when Jesus was here many jews were His enemies, scribes and pharisees and many more.

 

[GodB4Us]

I cant help what you cant see. I have provided a scriptural basis for what I stated.

Perhaps it is because of the grammar or the wording? The drawing is not drawn yet because it is still drawing just as the seeking is not done yet as in finding because it is still seeking.

I can believe it is the process for which salvation is soon achieved, but salvation is not achieved yet and neither the new birth until the seeking has found whereby the drawing has drawn unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved.

Granted that the drawing is part of the salvation process for which the Father has started the process, but although our seeking is His drawing us unto the Son, the salvation as in the new birth is achieved when we'd actually believed in Him.

 

[GodB4Us]

When Jesus came to earth he only came for the lost sheep of Israel and the GENTILES were the ENEMIES.

That was Jesus's command when He sent the twelves disciples out in Matthew 10th chapter.

However, you should know that the Samaritans were considered Gentiles and not Jews for why His disciples questioned Him for talking to that Samaritan woman at the well.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

The Jews who did not have faith were cut off and hardened and became enemies LIKE THE GENTILES.

The Gentiles were NOT able to get saved until Jesus was crucified.

The Jews were not able to get saved either until Jesus was crucified, resurrected and ascended into Heaven. It was after His ascension was when His disciples were saved and for any one else that believed in His name at & after Pentecost.

 

[Brightfame52]

Perhaps it is because of the grammar or the wording? The drawing is not drawn yet because it is still drawing just as the seeking is not done yet as in finding because it is still seeking.

I can believe it is the process for which salvation is soon achieved, but salvation is not achieved yet and neither the new birth until the seeking has found whereby the drawing has drawn unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved.

Granted that the drawing is part of the salvation process for which the Father has started the process, but although our seeking is His drawing us unto the Son, the salvation as in the new birth is achieved when we'd actually believed in Him.

You cant believe in Christ until you are saved by regeneration. Drawing and regeneration are the same thing. Believing is the result of drawing.

 

[GodB4Us]

You cant believe in Christ until you are saved by regeneration. Drawing and regeneration are the same thing. Believing is the result of drawing.

The drawing brings about the believing, but until the drawing accomplished the believing part, they are not born again of the Spirit.

Scripture repeatedly cites by how believing in Him is how we are saved as born again of the Spirit John 3:15-16 and this scripture cites how God is pleased to save those that believe 1 Corinthians 1:21.

There is no way we can believe in Him to be born again of the Spirit unless the Father draws us unto the Son to enable us to do that believing in Him in how we are saved..

 

[Brightfame52]

The drawing brings about the believing, but until the drawing accomplished the believing part, they are not born again of the Spirit.

Scripture repeatedly cites by how believing in Him is how we are saved as born again of the Spirit John 3:15-16 and this scripture cites how God is pleased to save those that believe 1 Corinthians 1:21.

There is no way we can believe in Him to be born again of the Spirit unless the Father draws us unto the Son to enable us to do that believing in Him in how we are saved..

Yes, Drawing and being born of the Spirit are the same. I have been over this with you continually, you are going in circles friends.

 

[GodB4Us]

Yes, Drawing and being born of the Spirit are the same. I have been over this with you continually, you are going in circles friends.

Well, then, since it is on God to cause the increase for either side of our discussion, why don't we leave the ministry to Him. Mayhap sometime down the road, He will cause the increase in seeing the truth in His words.

May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well, then, since it is on God to cause the increase for either side of our discussion, why don't we leave the ministry to Him. Mayhap sometime down the road, He will cause the increase in seeing the truth in His words.

May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

Yes, May God be pleased to enlighten you to this Truth that drawing is actually the New Birth.