God declares Jesus God

[Acts2:38]

Show me the word "GOD" in your passages

Referencing Exodus 3:14 for example, apply this divine title of God in these happenings, and that is your answer.

"d. I Am: This is a divine title that Jesus took upon Himself often, clearly identifying Himself with the voice from the burning bush.

i. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I Am [He], you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

ii. Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am [He], and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.” (John 8:28)

iii. Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58)

iv. Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I Am (John 13:19)

v. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?” They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I Am [He].” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I am [He],” they drew back and fell to the ground. (John 18:4-6)"

Study Guide for Exodus 3 by David Guzik

David Guzik :: Study Guide for Exodus 3

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This is a clear and direct means of saying "I am he" or "I am God".

I dont know why your trying to get out of this. The Jews understood clearly what Jesus was saying. The disciples obviously knew what he was saying.

Why, out of curiosity, is it so hard for you?

Example of a different situation but relevant to your problem:

Jesus and Paul state that unleavened bread and fruit of the vine are used in the lords supper. However, they never say you CANT use steak and soda.

So, can you use steak and soda? Or do you know full well that directing bread and fruit of the vine, it excludes the steak and soda?

Did Jesus and Paul REALLY have to say " You cant use this or that?" ? Or can you get the hint with what they did say?

By Jesus stating “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58), Everyone knew quite obviously what Jesus was saying (Exodus 3:14).

 

[Acts2:38]

I see in John 14:28 Jesus explicitly says " Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: (FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I)

Case made that Jesus himself makes a distrinction between himself and his Father, and tells the disciples that the Father is greater than him!!!!

See also post #141

I agree, there is a distinction. As the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they all have a distinction in scripture and a purpose, yet they are all one God. Please see articles for more information on this.

Is Christianity Polytheistic?

How is Christianity different than religions that worship several gods?

www.christiancourier.com

The Biblical Doctrine of the Godhead

Since the late second century A.D., controversy has existed concerning the nature of the Godhead. Is God a solitary person-simply manifested in three forms? Or do three separate personalities exist, each of whom possesses the nature of deity? Is the popular doctrine of the Trinity true or false?

www.christiancourier.com

 

[rhern53]

Referencing Exodus 3:14 for example, apply this divine title of God in these happenings, and that is your answer.

"d. I Am: This is a divine title that Jesus took upon Himself often, clearly identifying Himself with the voice from the burning bush.

i. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I Am [He], you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

ii. Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am [He], and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.” (John 8:28)

iii. Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58)

iv. Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I Am (John 13:19)

v. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?” They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I Am [He].” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I am [He],” they drew back and fell to the ground. (John 18:4-6)"

Study Guide for Exodus 3 by David Guzik

David Guzik :: Study Guide for Exodus 3

www.blueletterbible.org

This is a clear and direct means of saying "I am he" or "I am God".

I dont know why your trying to get out of this. The Jews understood clearly what Jesus was saying. The disciples obviously knew what he was saying.

Why, out of curiosity, is it so hard for you?

Example of a different situation but relevant to your problem:

Jesus and Paul state that unleavened bread and fruit of the vine are used in the lords supper. However, they never say you CANT use steak and soda.

So, can you use steak and soda? Or do you know full well that directing bread and fruit of the vine, it excludes the steak and soda?

Did Jesus and Paul REALLY have to say " You cant use this or that?" ? Or can you get the hint with what they did say?

By Jesus stating “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58), Everyone knew quite obviously what Jesus was saying (Exodus 3:14).

The Word created all things. The Word in the Old Testament spoke to Moses From the Burning Bush,

The Lord gave Moses the 10 Commandments. The Word Became flesh and dwelt among us.

He was made lower than the angels Hebrews 2:7, Psalms 8:5-9

He was raise as a child with other kids. He grew in wisdom and stature. He could do nothing without God showing Him.

He suffered the torture, was crucified, died and God raise Him from the dead. He is seated at the Right Hand of the Father

 

[Samson2020]

Exactly! He Jesus was NOT GOD in the flesh, He was the Son of God in the flesh who was REWARDED with GODSHIP (if you will) because of what he did.
The Lamb that is worthy........
If we follow in his footsteps we come to the same reward. He was begotten. We are brought in to the fold by Faith which GOD himself gives us that we may believe the initial impossibility (JESUS RAISED FROM THE DEAD), and as FAITH grows so does our vision to believe that we can attain to the same level as JESUS. But still in subjection to him and the Father.

All things are possible with GOD!! YES??? So why would the above narrative be unachievable? Lack of vision? Lack of Faith? Or both???

 

[Samson2020]

If you had no chance of attaining to this level it wouldn't be called the GOSPEL (good news), can't imagine better!!!!

 

[Acts2:38]

He Jesus was NOT GOD in the flesh,

And yet that is contradictory to what I previously posted:

Referencing Exodus 3:14 for example, apply this divine title of God in these happenings, and that is your answer.

"d. I Am: This is a divine title that Jesus took upon Himself often, clearly identifying Himself with the voice from the burning bush.

i. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I Am [He], you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

ii. Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am [He], and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.” (John 8:28)

iii. Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58)

iv. Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I Am (John 13:19)

v. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?” They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I Am [He].” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I am [He],” they drew back and fell to the ground. (John 18:4-6)"

Study Guide for Exodus 3 by David Guzik
David Guzik :: Study Guide for Exodus 3
www.blueletterbible.org

This is a clear and direct means of saying "I am he" or "I am God".

I dont know why your trying to get out of this. The Jews understood clearly what Jesus was saying. The disciples obviously knew what he was saying.

Why, out of curiosity, is it so hard for you?

Example of a different situation but relevant to your problem:

Jesus and Paul state that unleavened bread and fruit of the vine are used in the lords supper. However, they never say you CANT use steak and soda.

So, can you use steak and soda? Or do you know full well that directing bread and fruit of the vine, it excludes the steak and soda?

Did Jesus and Paul REALLY have to say " You cant use this or that?" ? Or can you get the hint with what they did say?

By Jesus stating “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58), Everyone knew quite obviously what Jesus was saying (Exodus 3:14).

The Jews sought to kill Jesus because of this claim. Jesus never corrected them on this. Instead, he left before they could kill him (having the power to see the thoughts of men this wasnt the only time either)

So why would the above narrative be unachievable? Lack of vision? Lack of Faith? Or both???

You do know this question works both ways?

The problem though, is that I have placed much evidence. Most of what I see you doing is deflection, and a distortion of simple English grammar/context. This is not meant as any insult whatsoever, but I am making it known, I am not so naive to fall into that kind of trap, throwing out all reading comprehension. The bible makes it abundantly clear, and as smart as I know you are, you know it too.

 

[Acts2:38]

The Word created all things. The Word in the Old Testament spoke to Moses From the Burning Bush,

The Lord gave Moses the 10 Commandments. The Word Became flesh and dwelt among us.

He was made lower than the angels Hebrews 2:7, Psalms 8:5-9

He was raise as a child with other kids. He grew in wisdom and stature. He could do nothing without God showing Him.

He suffered the torture, was crucified, died and God raise Him from the dead. He is seated at the Right Hand of the Father

I would agree with everything here except your statement "He could do nothing without God showing Him."

From the small amount of scripture I see, I find that he seemed to already know what he needed to to.

Luke 2
b. The child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: Jesus grew and developed as other children; yet His spiritual development is here first noted. We might say that Jesus was aware of His identity and His calling as appropriate to His age development. At age 5 He did not have the understanding of a 30 year-old; but had the greatest capacity for understanding appropriate for a 5 year-old.

i. The development of Jesus gives inspiration for believing parents today. They also pray for children to become strong in spirit and to be filled with wisdom, and they guide their children in those paths.

c. The grace of God was upon Him: The goodness and favor of God was evident in His life, even as a child. The legends of bizarre miracles connected to the childhood of Jesus are nothing more than superstitious tales; but the grace of God was upon Him.

i. We know little of Jesus’ life from the time He was one month old to the time when He was twelve, except for the general statement in Luke 2:40. We may be curious about the details of His childhood, but there isn’t anything we need to know except what we are told by the Holy Spirit in the Word.

and

b. I must be about My Father’s business: In that day, there was nothing more natural than a son taking up his father’s business. Jesus did follow in Joseph’s footsteps as a carpenter, but His words here show that He was at least beginning to understand His unique relationship to His Father.

i. It is impossible to say when, in the context of the self-imposed limitations of His humanity, Jesus realized who He was and what He was sent to do, but it was early – this is probably the not when it began, but when it was in full flower.

c. I must be about My Father’s business: These first recorded words of Jesus are significant. The surprise implied by these words of Jesus means that He knew that Mary and Joseph did know of His special relationship with God His Father. It means that it must have been an item of discussion and perhaps instruction in the upbringing of Jesus in their home.

d. They did not understand the statement which He spoke to them: Jesus’ statement told them something about His identity as a unique Son of God the Father, though they did not understand it. In Judaism of that day, a boy began to learn his father’s trade at about 12 years of age. Jesus fulfilled this by instructing the teachers in the temple.

Study Guide for Luke 2 by David Guzik

David Guzik :: Study Guide for Luke 2

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It seems to me, he knew exactly what he needed to do at a young age.

But you are still avoiding what Jesus explicitly declared, "I AM" in John 8. The implications of such that were fully understood by both the Jews that sought to kill him, and the disciples who attest to him being God (See previous posts for scripture again).

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Question for those who hold the position that Jesus was born just of flesh and was not God at birth.

If this is true, why did Jesus have to be born of a virgin? Why would that be necessary?

Thanks.

-WNL

 

[Samson2020]

Simple so there would be no question as the the Father of her child.

 

[Samson2020]

All I see in your trying to establish a trinity Godhead is a misinformed, twisted view of scriptures trying to support your claim.
In many cases the I AM you refer to is a simple statement like i am a human, it's not even capitalized in the bible so how is it that you need to twist scripture?
Are you Catholic? I know many have been slaughtered over the centuries by them over this very subject. And they are very zealous about it. Even interpretation of scripture has been classified by them as only theirs to interpret. But power and money will do that to humans.

In your narrative Jesus crucifies himself because he's really God. Bogus
In your narrative when he tells Pilot that he would have no power over him except it was given him from above and he that delivered me to thee hath the greater sin. In this case God delivered him to be crucified, In your narrative JESUS delivered himself therefore he has the greater sin for having himself crucified. Again bogus.
In your narrative when he prays to the Father to remove this cup from me he's really praying to himself. Bogus
In your narrative at this exact timing of the prayer to remove the cup Jesus obviously took upon himself a carnal mind, GOD can't do that so he wasn't God.
In your narrative when he is raised from the dead he does it himself because he is God. Bogus
In your narrative Jesus is the manifestation of the burning bush because he is GOD. Bogus
In your narrative as a child when Jesus says I must be about my Father business he really means his own???? Bogus
In your narrative when Jesus says the Father loveth the son because I always do those things that please HIM. He should say he's pleasing himself. Bogus
This could go on for quite awhile.

The Bible is only to clear that he was the SON OF GOD, not The FATHER. HE (Jesus) says over and over and over again that the Father was with him and or IN him. The same way the HOLY GHOST resides in us but it doesn't make us the spirit of god!
You can save your rhetoric of the trinity for others, no need to respond to me about it. I've been around too long to suddenly fall off a cliff like this one just because others are misinformed and you choose to follow along in the PAGAN trinity doctrine does not mean that I need to follow. If God wants to show me any error in the doctrine I have from him then I know he will do it and in his own sweet time. So save yours and peddle that stuff somewhere other than at me.
All I can say is that the way that leads unto life is very narrow and FEW there be that find it. That said, it seems that you have a slew of authors, and about a billion Catholics that would uphold a trinity doctrine, and in that case that don't fit the FEW narrative.

 

[Samson2020]

The biggest problem with a trinity view point is that the word TRINITY itself, according to the KJV concordance of the Bible, doesn't exist in the Bible.
So that said we can all agree to disagree, I hope, and stand where ever we stand.

 

[Acts2:38]

All I see in your trying to establish a trinity Godhead is a misinformed, twisted view of scriptures trying to support your claim.
In many cases the I AM you refer to is a simple statement like i am a human, it's not even capitalized in the bible so how is it that you need to twist scripture?
Are you Catholic? I know many have been slaughtered over the centuries by them over this very subject. And they are very zealous about it. Even interpretation of scripture has been classified by them as only theirs to interpret. But power and money will do that to humans.

In your narrative Jesus crucifies himself because he's really God. Bogus
In your narrative when he tells Pilot that he would have no power over him except it was given him from above and he that delivered me to thee hath the greater sin. In this case God delivered him to be crucified, In your narrative JESUS delivered himself therefore he has the greater sin for having himself crucified. Again bogus.
In your narrative when he prays to the Father to remove this cup from me he's really praying to himself. Bogus
In your narrative at this exact timing of the prayer to remove the cup Jesus obviously took upon himself a carnal mind, GOD can't do that so he wasn't God.
In your narrative when he is raised from the dead he does it himself because he is God. Bogus
In your narrative Jesus is the manifestation of the burning bush because he is GOD. Bogus
In your narrative as a child when Jesus says I must be about my Father business he really means his own???? Bogus
In your narrative when Jesus says the Father loveth the son because I always do those things that please HIM. He should say he's pleasing himself. Bogus
This could go on for quite awhile.

The Bible is only to clear that he was the SON OF GOD, not The FATHER. HE (Jesus) says over and over and over again that the Father was with him and or IN him. The same way the HOLY GHOST resides in us but it doesn't make us the spirit of god!
You can save your rhetoric of the trinity for others, no need to respond to me about it. I've been around too long to suddenly fall off a cliff like this one just because others are misinformed and you choose to follow along in the PAGAN trinity doctrine does not mean that I need to follow. If God wants to show me any error in the doctrine I have from him then I know he will do it and in his own sweet time. So save yours and peddle that stuff somewhere other than at me.
All I can say is that the way that leads unto life is very narrow and FEW there be that find it. That said, it seems that you have a slew of authors, and about a billion Catholics that would uphold a trinity doctrine, and in that case that don't fit the FEW narrative.

Friend, this again, is quite obviously another deflection of the evidence I brought at hand. It also shows that you only have opinion against what scripture has obviously stated. No honest person can sit there and read text that has been labeled at the sixth grade reading level (pending on your version) and defend opinion, speculation, and conjecture, against hard scriptural evidence. Grammar and context dictate this. It has NOTHING to do with being a Catholic of which I am not. The word trinity is not in scripture, I agree to that. However, there is obviously God, one true God, with 3 distinct personalities that have a specific job. Scripture is chalk full of this evidence, which is why you tend to give opinions, distortions of context/grammar, and deflection. I say all this in love, my "tough love" to get you to see you have provided no real evidence. Opinions, distortions, and deflections are not evidence and do not prove the claim you make. Every time I bring you evidence, I am met with some ridiculous posts such as the one I quoted/responded to here. It is considered a deflection.

Let me ask you, if you do honestly care to get to actual truth. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct personality and God? Or do you believe that the Holy Spirit is just an inanimate thing? What are your thoughts on this?

My reason for asking, is that if you believe the Holy Spirit to be God, and the Father to also be THE one and only God, then why is it so hard to see that Jesus is also part of this group.

If you do not believe such, then I would submit evidence of BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit as part of the Godhead. Which is easily done.

I resubmit these articles which I ponder if you even took the time.

Is Christianity Polytheistic?
How is Christianity different than religions that worship several gods?
www.christiancourier.com

The Biblical Doctrine of the Godhead
Since the late second century A.D., controversy has existed concerning the nature of the Godhead. Is God a solitary person-simply manifested in three forms? Or do three separate personalities exist, each of whom possesses the nature of deity? Is the popular doctrine of the Trinity true or false?
www.christiancourier.com

 

[Samson2020]

Your right I will not take the time to look at your christian courier articles. I need them not. As they are an off shoot of the Church of Christ group that in general have no understanding of actually being born again and possessing those things we are told in Mark 16 that a true believer will possess such as praying/speaking in other tongues, casting out of unclean spirits, healing of the sick etc... THESE THINGS I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF DOING AT THE LORDS INSTRUCTION TO AFFIRM TO ME WHO I AM IN HIM. I am not against anyone but I know a sheep of the Lord when I hear him, and I know what one that claims to be and is not sounds like. Every time I have conversation with a Church of Christ member I get a great biblical scholar but never a born again believer. I'm sure there are some i've just never met one yet.

In your statement above "There is obviously God, One true God, with 3 distinct PERSONALITIES that have a specific job." In this one statement you have effectually erased the HUMAN existence of Jesus Christ. And in doing so subverted the very grounds for which Christianity is based. That God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON.............By erasing Jesus as a human being made just like you and I, it erases all hope of anyone ever reaching to the level of an autonomous being with an existence separate from his heavenly Father. Whether that be Jesus, you, or me. This is NOT the gospel of GOD.

The GOSPEL of GOD is to bring forth many sons unto glory who do possess autonomous life within themselves with an existence separate from their Father, while existing in a state of agape love for one another.

"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son."

"Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his Son's name, if thou canst tell?"

If Jesus is not an independent being, then there is no Son of God. And if there is no Son of God how can you become one?

"Ask me of things to come concerning my SONS, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me."

"For the earnest expectation of the creation waits for the manifestation of the SONS of God."

"And if children, then heirs: heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be GLORIFIED together."

"The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God."

These few scriptures illustrate my point. God started with a plan to have children who have life within themselves and are autonomous. This is his goal, therefore having a great GOO of a Godhead that all are absorbed back into will not stand up to his plan. This is just another version of hinduism using different names.

I wish you well in your race to obtain that that you have faith to obtain. But at this moment i'm not too sure just what that is.

For me, to answer your question, the Holy Spirit is my guide while stuck in this body in a gestational state, He is my comforter and teacher.
"Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth."
I know his voice!

Someone once said without this guide you may be all dressed up , but you are going nowhere.

"God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."
Indeed it is the Holy Spirit that makes us witnesses unto the human existence and subsequent resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be WITNESSES unto ME."

To your question "Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct personality AND GOD?" That answer would be NO. He is a distinct personality but He is the Spirit of God not God Himself. Just as a man has a spirit and the spirit is not the man but part of the man while he remains alive.

 

[Dave M]

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

[Samson2020]

The OUR has no names or values connected to it; therefore who can really say who or how many beings if even more than one is being talked about.

God could have been speaking to the angels who appear unto men as men at times.

There are those who believe that the original men were not living souls as Adam was, they were the hunter gatherers of ancient times.
God then makes Adam roughly 6000 years ago and places a spirit in the body and that man became a LIVING SOUL.
God had also said that he could not find a man to TIL THE GROUND prior to making Adam so it leaves another mystery to be unraveled at a later time.
Just like the questions of 1)Who was cains wife? was she of the hunter gatherer tribes or did they even exist? was it one of Adam and Eves later children?
Just throwing curve balls because there are things we do not know and therefore try to make the square peg fit the round hole.

Assumption can lead us down a path that we may never recover from, so if it isn't crystal clear i'd leave it alone until it is.

 

[rhern53]

And yet that is contradictory to what I previously posted:

Referencing Exodus 3:14 for example, apply this divine title of God in these happenings, and that is your answer.

"d. I Am: This is a divine title that Jesus took upon Himself often, clearly identifying Himself with the voice from the burning bush.

i. Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I Am [He], you will die in your sins. (John 8:24)

ii. Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I Am [He], and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.” (John 8:28)

iii. Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58)

iv. Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I Am (John 13:19)

v. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?” They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.” Jesus said to them, “I Am [He].” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Now when He said to them, “I am [He],” they drew back and fell to the ground. (John 18:4-6)"

Study Guide for Exodus 3 by David Guzik
David Guzik :: Study Guide for Exodus 3
www.blueletterbible.org

This is a clear and direct means of saying "I am he" or "I am God".

I dont know why your trying to get out of this. The Jews understood clearly what Jesus was saying. The disciples obviously knew what he was saying.

Why, out of curiosity, is it so hard for you?

Example of a different situation but relevant to your problem:

Jesus and Paul state that unleavened bread and fruit of the vine are used in the lords supper. However, they never say you CANT use steak and soda.

So, can you use steak and soda? Or do you know full well that directing bread and fruit of the vine, it excludes the steak and soda?

Did Jesus and Paul REALLY have to say " You cant use this or that?" ? Or can you get the hint with what they did say?

By Jesus stating “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” (John 8:58), Everyone knew quite obviously what Jesus was saying (Exodus 3:14).

The Jews sought to kill Jesus because of this claim. Jesus never corrected them on this. Instead, he left before they could kill him (having the power to see the thoughts of men this wasnt the only time either)



You do know this question works both ways?

The problem though, is that I have placed much evidence. Most of what I see you doing is deflection, and a distortion of simple English grammar/context. This is not meant as any insult whatsoever, but I am making it known, I am not so naive to fall into that kind of trap, throwing out all reading comprehension. The bible makes it abundantly clear, and as smart as I know you are, you know it too.

I am sorry that you are unable to see the truth in front of you. The Lord does not give everyone discernment. this word means: the ability to judge well.

my condolences. don't worry, keep studying, the Lord will open your eyes.

Here is what you have been looking for:


The Word created all things. The Word in the Old Testament spoke to Moses From the Burning Bush,

The Lord gave Moses the 10 Commandments. The Word Became flesh and dwelt among us.

He was made lower than the angels Hebrews 2:7, Psalms 8:5-9

He was raise as a child with other kids. He grew in wisdom and stature. He could do nothing without God showing Him.

He suffered the torture, was crucified, died and God raise Him from the dead. He is seated at the Right Hand of the Father

 

[B-A-C]

[NASB]
Heb 2:7; "YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 2:9; But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

[NLT]
Heb 2:7 Yet for a little while you made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor.
Heb 2:8 You gave them authority over all things.” Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority.
Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.
Heb 2:10 God, for whom and through whom everything was made, chose to bring many children into glory. And it was only right that he should make Jesus, through his suffering, a perfect leader, fit to bring them into their salvation.

Heb 1:3; The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.
Heb 1:4; This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
Heb 1:5; For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.” God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.”
Heb 1:6; And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said, “Let all of God’s angels worship him.”
Heb 1:7; Regarding the angels, he says, “He sends his angels like the winds, his servants like flames of fire.”
Heb 1:8; But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.

 

[rhern53]

[NASB]
Heb 2:7; "YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 2:9; But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

[NLT]
Heb 2:7 Yet for a little while you made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor.
Heb 2:8 You gave them authority over all things.” Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority.
Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.
Heb 2:10 God, for whom and through whom everything was made, chose to bring many children into glory. And it was only right that he should make Jesus, through his suffering, a perfect leader, fit to bring them into their salvation.

Heb 1:3; The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.
Heb 1:4; This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
Heb 1:5; For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.” God also said, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.”
Heb 1:6; And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said, “Let all of God’s angels worship him.”
Heb 1:7; Regarding the angels, he says, “He sends his angels like the winds, his servants like flames of fire.”
Heb 1:8; But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.

very good, KJV is good too thank you

 

[Samson2020]

B-A-C quoted this:

[NLT]
Heb 2:7 Yet for a little while you made them a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor.
Heb 2:8 You gave them authority over all things.” Now when it says “all things,” it means nothing is left out. But we have not yet seen all things put under their authority.
Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.
Heb 2:10 God, for whom and through whom everything was made, chose to bring many children into glory. And it was only right that he should make Jesus, through his suffering, a perfect leader, fit to bring them into their salvation.

I love this translation simply because it proves my point that God is in the business of bringing MANY SONS unto glory in that it uses the word "THEM"
You made THEM a little lower than the angels
You gave THEM authority over all things
But we have not seen all things put under THEIR feet.

As Jesus told us that God is our Father and he quoted Psalms as saying "Have I not said ye are Gods? But ye shall die like men."

Were told that Jesus was the forerunner. YES??? this version proves that its more than just Jesus coming into his SONSHIP status after glorification and for the elect they will also come into their SONSHIP status as the Bible declares. "He is not ashamed to call them brothers" And they are also joint heirs with him. He did what he did because he knew us all as we knew him before the world was created. And what the eventual outcome would be for us all.

Indeed what greater love can anyone have than this for us.

I keep saying it over and over that we all came from the same place in God, but Jesus was favored above the rest of us by Gods wisdom. And even though most translations say it was only he that was made a little lower than the angels we all know that we were too.

I've never read this version but I dearly enjoy this group of verses.

Thank you...

 

[Samson2020]

When he fixed his decree for the land, I was there with delight, day by day. I rejoiced in his presence the while; I rejoiced in the circling of earth, and rejoiced in the children of men. (Fenton) Psalms 8:29-31

According as he hath chosen us IN HIM(or from within him) before the foundation of the world.

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.

And truly, if THEY had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to return.

You who have shown us all, troubles great and sore, will QUICKEN US AGAIN and will bring us up AGAIN from the depths of the earth. (AMPLIFIED)

Forasmuch then as the children are made partakers of flesh and blood, He also himself took part of the same.

Saying, I will declare thy name to MY BRETHREN.

Wherefore in ALL THINGS it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren.

For both he (JESUS) that sanctifies and they who are sanctified (us) are ALL of one (GOD): for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.

Who verily was FOREORDAINED before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. (Note foreordained before the foundation of the world but begat of the Father 2000 years ago.)

For whom HE DID FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the FIRST BORN among MANY BRETHREN.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called , them he also justified; and whom he justified , THEM HE ALSO GLORIFIED.

Out of God as a spirit in an Adamic body of death to be educated and matured and to return at the appointed time as a SON of GOD.

For the whole of creation waits for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.

For it shall be set free from the vanity that the Lord placed it under for our maturation process.

Consider this a post for myself, but if anybody hears what is said here please respond.