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John 3.16 clearly shows them as two seperate entities. The teaching of the trinity is part of the great harlot mentioned in revelations.
God declares Jesus God
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I agree ONE God in three persons. Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily Col 2:9. God is the three persons. They cannot be separated because they make up the ONE God.
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Your missing the point in John 10 They the Jews said he makes himself God He(Jesus) did not say that. Those are black letters. He follows up with the quote from Psalms 82 where he says that they the Jews are calling him a blasphemer because he said I am the (SON of God). But He clarifies that statement using Psalms 82 in that it says "Is it not written in your law, I(GOD the Father) said, YE ARE GODS?" These 3 words are capitalized in the Bible, for those that would say a capitol means deity and a small less than deity. But that statement applied to All men as God sees the work as a finished product.
This charge have I received from my FATHER. Bible says HE (Jesus) gave up the ghost, I will agree with that. Only thing is he was GIVEN that authority by his Father to lay it down and take it back up. That does not make him GOD.
It seems as though some want to believe that GOD slew his own toe and that was the sacrifice, a part of God. It's apparent that the Father was never dead but Jesus was, so Jesus could not be the Father.
But you believe whatever you want to believe, if so God wants to show you that Jesus was his son period, then he will, until then?????
This charge have I received from my FATHER. Bible says HE (Jesus) gave up the ghost, I will agree with that. Only thing is he was GIVEN that authority by his Father to lay it down and take it back up. That does not make him GOD.
It seems as though some want to believe that GOD slew his own toe and that was the sacrifice, a part of God. It's apparent that the Father was never dead but Jesus was, so Jesus could not be the Father.
But you believe whatever you want to believe, if so God wants to show you that Jesus was his son period, then he will, until then?????
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Headcasey669 said this
John 3.16 clearly shows them as two seperate entities. The teaching of the trinity is part of the great harlot mentioned in revelations.
I've asked the trinitarians this same question many times over but the one thing they will not do is answer questions straight out because they cannot reconcile scripture. It ALL has to fit or they have to change their thinking.
John 3.16 clearly shows them as two seperate entities. The teaching of the trinity is part of the great harlot mentioned in revelations.
I've asked the trinitarians this same question many times over but the one thing they will not do is answer questions straight out because they cannot reconcile scripture. It ALL has to fit or they have to change their thinking.
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rhern53 asked "What happens to the Jews"
I will tell you but you won't be able to swallow it.
The majority of them will be receivers of the Holy Ghost and come to a glorification at the end of the SECOND DEATH PERIOD.
It will take a lot to get to where you can see this but God willing he will show you.
PS this will be at least 1,100 to 1,500 years from now minimum. And truth be told it'll probably be more like 7,000
I will tell you but you won't be able to swallow it.
The majority of them will be receivers of the Holy Ghost and come to a glorification at the end of the SECOND DEATH PERIOD.
It will take a lot to get to where you can see this but God willing he will show you.
PS this will be at least 1,100 to 1,500 years from now minimum. And truth be told it'll probably be more like 7,000
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I answered your question earlier.
Now you answer mine please.
Does Jesus ever claim to be GOD?
And please don't use the "I and MY Father are one" as clearly he is telling us they are two persons in the I (Jesus) and FATHER (GOD). So besides this one misinterpreted verse show me where he ever claims to be God, without having to assume that's what is meant by interpretation.
Now you answer mine please.
Does Jesus ever claim to be GOD?
And please don't use the "I and MY Father are one" as clearly he is telling us they are two persons in the I (Jesus) and FATHER (GOD). So besides this one misinterpreted verse show me where he ever claims to be God, without having to assume that's what is meant by interpretation.
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Thank you
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I will say this, there is no way we can understand what a “God” is with a finite mind. Because a finite mine is unholy and. God is Holy. We cannot comprehend even the language of God , because, God’s language is Holy. Our language is unHoly! So God, had to wrap His Son in Human flesh to communicate with us of a divine plan that God was going to do for His own purpose and will, not ours. And to obey His Son, John the Baptist. The announcer who was coming!
To a people that cannot understand who God really is, or have the ability to know God. “This is my BELOVED SON hear ye Him”. And the only way you can get to the Father is by the Son. It did not say the only to get to God is by the Son. It said to the Father. And now the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit of God it is the Spirit of God and not the spirit of man. They do not operate the same way. The finite cannot comprehend The infinite. So good luck with our “anthropomorphic words” concerning the “Trinity”
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This is why Paul said that we know in part, we see in part, we prophecy in part etc.... because God knows that we would be quite puffed up if we had extreme knowledge, but he does allow us to know a lot. And when our earthly existence is over a promise of "We shall know as we are known", which means to me we shall know everything. The hows, the whys, the whos etc..... I believe that only after our corruption hath put on incorruption could we handle such vast knowledge, but since we won't exist in a realm governed by time we will have all the time we need to get full understanding.
And I would imagine if we really knew we wouldn't want to be here anymore. Some of us are already there as far as ready to leave but most of those are older and have seen enough greed, killing, theft etc...But I don't believe that the Father wants us to be in a state of depression because he hasn't taken us out of this world just yet. We know that if were still here there is something still to be done by us. So we patiently wait in hope.
AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS!!
Indeed we were made a little lower than the angels.
And I would imagine if we really knew we wouldn't want to be here anymore. Some of us are already there as far as ready to leave but most of those are older and have seen enough greed, killing, theft etc...But I don't believe that the Father wants us to be in a state of depression because he hasn't taken us out of this world just yet. We know that if were still here there is something still to be done by us. So we patiently wait in hope.
AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS!!
Indeed we were made a little lower than the angels.
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The Trinity is no problem for me!
I’m still trying to figure out “Mary’s Baby”! And how did she get pregnant?
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For real?
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I am a Pharmacist by trade, have been for 30 years. Raised race horses for awhile and spent a lot of time digging into genetics.
So with a bit of AI (artificial Insemination) knowledge in the horses I'll do my best.
When the Holy Ghost hovered over Mary he implanted directly into one of her eggs the masculine side of the genetic code required for a zygote to be formed.
In Jesus' case this genetic code being from the Father contained no condemnation (or curse from Eden); therefore he was born without a carnal mind unlike the rest of us.
Other than the insertion of the material necessary to bring about a baby male human and one without a carnal mind, that was basically it.No physical contact required, just like Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Hope that helps.
So with a bit of AI (artificial Insemination) knowledge in the horses I'll do my best.
When the Holy Ghost hovered over Mary he implanted directly into one of her eggs the masculine side of the genetic code required for a zygote to be formed.
In Jesus' case this genetic code being from the Father contained no condemnation (or curse from Eden); therefore he was born without a carnal mind unlike the rest of us.
Other than the insertion of the material necessary to bring about a baby male human and one without a carnal mind, that was basically it.No physical contact required, just like Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Hope that helps.
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Ok, So God has a genetic code, ok. Did Mary have a special egg in her to receive this code in her?
Are you also saying that the Holy Spirit is the carrier of the 1 gamete which comes from God and Mary is the other gamete for the Zygote to be form?
2 more question here.
1. what characteristics did Jesus get from His mother?
2. As a fetus, was it still Jesus?
No trick question here ok.
Are you also saying that the Holy Spirit is the carrier of the 1 gamete which comes from God and Mary is the other gamete for the Zygote to be form?
2 more question here.
1. what characteristics did Jesus get from His mother?
2. As a fetus, was it still Jesus?
No trick question here ok.
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If her egg was a special one God made it that way, can't really answer that question. He could have placed the entire zygote in the womb, but that doesn't quite add up to the inheriting of Davids throne, unless some part of her was there.
Don't know if the gamete from the Holy Ghost was a true gamete but it could have been and probably was. After all he causes every action of the physical universe to happen so why not that too.
Characteristics from mother- Have no idea as our info on her is extremely limited, but may have been reduced to physical characteristics which as far as I can tell were pretty much irrelevant to his mission.
For me the Mind was the important part as it was not a fallen carnal mind which explains why he was so different even as a young child.
Fetus Jesus? I'd have to say yes simply because she was told that her child would be called the Son of God. The Bible states that God knows exactly who we are and what our name will be before we are even conceived etc....To carry that out a bit farther we knew him before we were born in this body of flesh but the separation and experience in this life of death was/is necessary for the inheritance we shall receive later. I doubt you' give a 5 year old a loaded hand gun. Same concept with the Father, we have to be grown ups in order to receive the power we shall one day have.
Don't know if the gamete from the Holy Ghost was a true gamete but it could have been and probably was. After all he causes every action of the physical universe to happen so why not that too.
Characteristics from mother- Have no idea as our info on her is extremely limited, but may have been reduced to physical characteristics which as far as I can tell were pretty much irrelevant to his mission.
For me the Mind was the important part as it was not a fallen carnal mind which explains why he was so different even as a young child.
Fetus Jesus? I'd have to say yes simply because she was told that her child would be called the Son of God. The Bible states that God knows exactly who we are and what our name will be before we are even conceived etc....To carry that out a bit farther we knew him before we were born in this body of flesh but the separation and experience in this life of death was/is necessary for the inheritance we shall receive later. I doubt you' give a 5 year old a loaded hand gun. Same concept with the Father, we have to be grown ups in order to receive the power we shall one day have.
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Well said my Friend, I searched the scriptures and this is what i found
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. ---- 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; -----
13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; ----- 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Joseph and Mary were both in the genealogy of King David......Luke 3:1 Mary's descent from David comes through his son Nathan, not Solomon or one of David's other children.
conception:
Luke 1 :31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
Jesus is now about 12 or 13 years of age
Luke 2: 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
