many or few?

[B-A-C]

A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go right on sinning same as before they
were forgiven unless they undergo a radical re-design because human nature is
intrinsically bad.

It is this "radical redesign" that makes us saints. We are no longer sinners.
If we view ourselves as sinners, that's what we'll be. We'll continue to live defeated.

If we view ourselves as new creations in Christs, saints, joint heirs with Jesus, more than conquerors, who can do all things through Him... that's what we'll be.

 

[Garee]

The two masters or God and wealth ( Matt 6:24; Luke 16:13; ) they have nothing to do with Necromancy.

Hi thanks for the reply

Wealth as mammon represents the wisdom of this world. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes as the pride of this corrupted body of death (1 John) That which opposes the unseen wisdom of God the power of faith by which we can believe. (all things writtten in the law and prophets. )

It’s easy to see in that series of parable It began on the previous chapter. The parable “no man can serve two teaching masters” is the context of the whole discourse.

It’s either all things written in the law and prophets or seek after a legion of workers with a familiar spirits. Like the Catholics who also serve a law of the fathers with the ideology of patron saints. It’s a warning to listen to all things written in the law and the prophets’ .the true riches (sola scriptura)

.

 

[PloughBoy]

What does a "Sinner" do? Answer: a Sinner, sins. I still "Miss the Mark"! I know what i am. Other creatures have no idea what I am, and what I do, But GOD and me myself the aid of the "Holy Ghost" knows I am a still "sinner" with an another "Advocate" sitting on the "right hand of The Father making intercession for us not all but us.

World English Bible
"Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us."
New American Standard Bible(Rom. 8).
"and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."

Jesus died and rose and intercedes for "sinners" save by grace. is true. := "saints". and some who called themselves christians.

 

[Beetow]

Probably the first thing that most of us think of when we hear the word "hell" is
unending torture. But the reservoir of burning sulfur depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is
actually not so much a rack as it is a gallows. The reservoir is primarily an
instrument for carrying out death sentences rather than life sentences.

A death sentence-- although a sentence with lasting effects --isn't perpetual; it's
momentary. In other words: criminals are subjected to execution only long enough
to end their lives. The primary reason we call the second death "eternal" is because
it's permanent; viz: according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one
resurrection allotted per person. Therefore nobody is coming back from the second
death because they will have used up their one resurrection in order to face justice
at the Great White Throne event.

NOTE: People walk away alive from the fire spoken of at 1Cor 3:5-15. Nobody
walks away alive from the fire spoken of at Rev 20:10-15.

UPDATE: 170 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,561,080 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[B-A-C]

are in the ball park, then something like 10,561,080 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

Well Sheol has two side, (or at least "had" two side).
But the Hades side is all fiery. The Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) side isn't.
There is ONLY a fiery side of Hades.

The primary reason we call the second death "eternal" is because
it's permanent; viz: according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one
resurrection allotted per person. Therefore nobody is coming back from the second
death because they will have used up their one resurrection in order to face justice
at the Great White Throne event.

The word "alive" here is somewhat true. They do have to face the second death.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

But make no mistake, they will feel pain and torment for a very long time there.

Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

These are the same exact words used in Rev 22:5 below.

Rev 22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

So if they aren't tormented forever, The saints don't reign with God forever.

There have been a number of threads about this.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

The Lake of Fire is a real place.

Matt25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" is used twice in this verse. If the punishment is not eternal, then neither is the resurrection for the saints.

 

[Garee]

Well Sheol has two side, (or at least "had" two side).
But the Hades side is all fiery. The Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) side isn't.
There is ONLY a fiery side of Hades.



The word "alive" here is somewhat true. They do have to face the second death.

Rev 2:11; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:14; Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

But make no mistake, they will feel pain and torment for a very long time there.

Rev 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

These are the same exact words used in Rev 22:5 below.

Rev 22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

So if they aren't tormented forever, The saints don't reign with God forever.

There have been a number of threads about this.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

The Lake of Fire is a real place.

Matt25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The word "eternal" is used twice in this verse. If the punishment is not eternal, then neither is the resurrection for the saints.

Yes their temporal spirit subject to the letter of the law death (thou shall not or you will surely die) The unconverted( no new spirit) will not rise for ever and ever in the new order. . Death according to the letter of the law (scriptures) and the suffering caused in their bodies of death (hell) will be tossed into the judgment fire of God never to rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation .The temporal flesh of non convertewd mankind will return to the clay and temporal spirit to God who again gave it under the letter death.

The second death. . . the death of death .

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[B-A-C]

The second death. . . the death of death .

Which means... they live forever. (In the Lake of Fire, or with God). Even the un-saved will rise again and be resurrected.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

 

[Garee]

Which means... they live forever. (In the Lake of Fire, or with God). Even the un-saved will rise again and be resurrected.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

I would ofer.

We must search throughout the Bible and in that way leave no stone unturned . Which means those not given a new born again spirit their earthen bodies They are already serving the death sentence and thier flesh and blood will return to dust and the temporal spirit return to God .

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Those who do receive a new born again spirit and new hearts will rise on the last day under the Sun . There will be no double jeopardy (second trial ) .It would be senseless to raise bones and declare them guilty. it would be like the trial of Pope Formosus ( c. 816 – 896) pleasing to the eye of those who have no faith to rise on the last day.

Death by the letter of the law according to the law ( thou shall not do this or you will surely die) along with its suffering called hell will be cast into the Spirit of judgment on the last day .it will not rise up and condemn ( thou shall not or you will surely die)another entire creation. The death of death .The second death .The creature the first death we are experiencing.

 

[B-A-C]

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

..ok,... and? It still doesn't say it ceases to exist, just because it's with God.

 

[Garee]

..ok,... and? It still doesn't say it ceases to exist, just because it's with God.

Not a salvation issue one I would call how do we hear God more adequately. A lifetime work we can work out, Christ with us in us Emanuel power to believe. .

I would offer. . The born again spirit we receive from the beginning .If not given a new spirit and heart as a new creation then there is nothing that could rise up and receive the living promise of the incorruptible the corrupted flesh has returned to the spiritless dust and the temporal sprit under the letter of the law returns to the father who gave it temporally. The death of death .The letter of the law with its dying sufferings called hell. The second death again the death of death itself .It will not rise up and condemn an entire creation ever again for ever more.

1 Peter1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[Beetow]

• Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has no
weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand throwing a
baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like death?

Is it like throwing good money after bad, throwing your weight around, or throwing
someone to the wolves? I can understand those kinds of throwing; I get it; but Rev
20:14 remains a bit of a mystery because the lake of fire does not appear abstract;
it appears tangible whereas death is not. How does one connect something tangible
with something intangible?

What if Rev 20:14 were to say poverty was cast into the lake of fire, or injustice, or
male pattern baldness, or tooth decay, or misandry, or somebody's name? How
would one go about throwing things like those into the lake?

The first mention of death in the Bible is related to the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil. Did Adam pass away the very day that he tasted the fruit? No, he
continued to live for quite a few years. However, he lost immortality. In other
words; the day Adam tasted the fruit he began to age, and it was only a matter of
time till the wasting process finally broke him down to the point where his body
could no longer keep going.

1Cor 15:53-55 speaks of a victory over the wasting process. So I think we may
safely conclude that the death spoken of in Rev 20:14 has at least something to do
with mortality. But how does one throw mortality? Is it sort of like throwing babies
out with the bath water, or throwing a hissy fit?

• 1Cor 15:25-27 . . For he must reign until God has put all His enemies under his
feet. The last enemy that will be conquered is death. For God has put all things in
subjection under his feet.

Some translations say that death will be either abolished or destroyed. But in
context, it's not supposed to be wiped out to extinction. Death is supposed to be
deposed and vanquished; and become Christ's slave just like everything and
everybody else.

• Rev 1:17-19 . . I am the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for
evermore, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

The casting of death into the lake of fire suggests to me its involuntary exile, i.e. its
banishment because in the future cosmos and the new Jerusalem depicted in the
21st chapter of Revelation, no one will have death to fear ever again and the only
place we'll be able to find anything at all related to death, and or categorized as
death, will be confined, stored, warehoused, restrained, incarcerated, and/or
archived in that fiery impound.

• Rev 21:3-4 . . I heard a great voice out of heaven saying: Behold, the tabernacle
of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears
from their eyes; and there shall be no more death.

UPDATE: 173 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,747,452 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[Garee]

• Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has no
weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand throwing a
baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like death?

Is it like throwing good money after bad, throwing your weight around, or throwing
someone to the wolves? I can understand those kinds of throwing; I get it; but Rev
20:14 remains a bit of a mystery because the lake of fire does not appear abstract;
it appears tangible whereas death is not. How does one connect something tangible
with something intangible?

What if Rev 20:14 were to say poverty was cast into the lake of fire, or injustice, or
male pattern baldness, or tooth decay, or misandry, or somebody's name? How
would one go about throwing things like those into the lake?

The first mention of death in the Bible is related to the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil. Did Adam pass away the very day that he tasted the fruit? No, he
continued to live for quite a few years. However, he lost immortality. In other
words; the day Adam tasted the fruit he began to age, and it was only a matter of
time till the wasting process finally broke him down to the point where his body
could no longer keep going.

1Cor 15:53-55 speaks of a victory over the wasting process. So I think we may
safely conclude that the death spoken of in Rev 20:14 has at least something to do
with mortality. But how does one throw mortality? Is it sort of like throwing babies
out with the bath water, or throwing a hissy fit?

• 1Cor 15:25-27 . . For he must reign until God has put all His enemies under his
feet. The last enemy that will be conquered is death. For God has put all things in
subjection under his feet.

Some translations say that death will be either abolished or destroyed. But in
context, it's not supposed to be wiped out to extinction. Death is supposed to be
deposed and vanquished; and become Christ's slave just like everything and
everybody else.

• Rev 1:17-19 . . I am the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for
evermore, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

The casting of death into the lake of fire suggests to me its involuntary exile, i.e. its
banishment because in the future cosmos and the new Jerusalem depicted in the
21st chapter of Revelation, no one will have death to fear ever again and the only
place we'll be able to find anything at all related to death, and or categorized as
death, will be confined, stored, warehoused, restrained, incarcerated, and/or
archived in that fiery impound.

• Rev 21:3-4 . . I heard a great voice out of heaven saying: Behold, the tabernacle
of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears
from their eyes; and there shall be no more death.

UPDATE: 173 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,747,452 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

I would think we would look to the cause of death the letter of the law as it is wriiten scriture it represent the wil of our unseen God . Thou shall not or you will die .


Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

• Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has no
weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand throwing a
baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like death?

Is it like throwing good money after bad, throwing your weight around, or throwing
someone to the wolves? I can understand those kinds of throwing; I get it; but Rev
20:14 remains a bit of a mystery because the lake of fire does not appear abstract;
it appears tangible whereas death is not. How does one connect something tangible
with something intangible?

What if Rev 20:14 were to say poverty was cast into the lake of fire, or injustice, or
male pattern baldness, or tooth decay, or misandry, or somebody's name? How
would one go about throwing things like those into the lake?

The first mention of death in the Bible is related to the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil. Did Adam pass away the very day that he tasted the fruit? No, he
continued to live for quite a few years. However, he lost immortality. In other
words; the day Adam tasted the fruit he began to age, and it was only a matter of
time till the wasting process finally broke him down to the point where his body
could no longer keep going.

1Cor 15:53-55 speaks of a victory over the wasting process. So I think we may
safely conclude that the death spoken of in Rev 20:14 has at least something to do
with mortality. But how does one throw mortality? Is it sort of like throwing babies
out with the bath water, or throwing a hissy fit?

• 1Cor 15:25-27 . . For he must reign until God has put all His enemies under his
feet. The last enemy that will be conquered is death. For God has put all things in
subjection under his feet.

Some translations say that death will be either abolished or destroyed. But in
context, it's not supposed to be wiped out to extinction. Death is supposed to be
deposed and vanquished; and become Christ's slave just like everything and
everybody else.

• Rev 1:17-19 . . I am the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for
evermore, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

The casting of death into the lake of fire suggests to me its involuntary exile, i.e. its
banishment because in the future cosmos and the new Jerusalem depicted in the
21st chapter of Revelation, no one will have death to fear ever again and the only
place we'll be able to find anything at all related to death, and or categorized as
death, will be confined, stored, warehoused, restrained, incarcerated, and/or
archived in that fiery impound.

• Rev 21:3-4 . . I heard a great voice out of heaven saying: Behold, the tabernacle
of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears
from their eyes; and there shall be no more death.

UPDATE: 173 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,747,452 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

I would offer.

The living word of God according to the letter as it is written (scripture) has the tangible power of life and death.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

We can see that in creation as well as salvation. Used falsely we can see that in doctrines like the Catholic Transubstantiation. . saying tangible things are there but are not. . . rather than walking by faith the unseen.

The Holy Spirit (intangible ) creating that which is tangible Let there be and it was good. Or when Jesus was under the illusion of the god of this world and showed Jesus the tangible things of this world all the kingdoms and all their glory .And the father gave Jesus the prophet the words. . as it is written . It the letter of the law rebuked of the father alone prophecy spoken caused the father of lies flee .

Satan has no power to create. As the spirit of error he must use the things tangible or temporal things of this corrupted creation to include the letter of the law scripture or he has no voice.

The letter or mark of his word “let there be” will come to pass . . .it will not return void.

When looking at the parable in Revelation 20 as to its signified understanding shown There we find many metaphors using the temporal things seen the tangible to give us the unseen spiritual .Remembering as we were taught by our intangible God we do not wrestles against the tangible things seen but what they represent in the parable. Mixing the two, that seen the temporal and that not seen the eternal faith.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In that way he has not left us as orphans without a tangible tool for rightly dividing the parables throughout the Bible Again the tangible revealing that not tangible (faith)

(Tangible as metaphors )

Revelation 20:1-5 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection began at the time of reformation opened the ressurection gates it will be closed on the last day. One resurrection .Two deaths

The death of corrupted mankind under the letter of the law (the bible) they will never to rise to new spirit life and the second death. . . death of death itself the letter of the law . (Thou shall not eat or you will surely die). It will not rise up as it is written and condemn to death another entire creation. The new law is not by the leter but by the spirit of grace, the end of his creating purpose a eternal bride .A new beginning without an end. The government of eternal peace.


Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[Beetow]

Human existence on earth is a composite of body, soul, and spirit. (Gen 2:7, 1Thes
5:23, Heb 4:12)

The body and the soul are readily destroyed by means of hell fire (Matt 10:28) but
I have yet to come across a passage in the Bible teaching that the spirit is
destroyed by that means; or by any means for that matter.

In what condition people will exist in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11
15 minus a human body and a human soul I don't know. It might be that the
human spirit is transferrable. What if God is able to move people's spirit around at
will and attach it to a body and soul other than a human body and soul; say, the
body and soul of a demonic being? The very thought of such a possibility is
disturbing.

UPDATE: 176 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,933,824 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[Garee]

Human existence on earth is a composite of body, soul, and spirit. (Gen 2:7, 1Thes
5:23, Heb 4:12)

The body and the soul are readily destroyed by means of hell fire (Matt 10:28) but
I have yet to come across a passage in the Bible teaching that the spirit is
destroyed by that means; or by any means for that matter.

In what condition people will exist in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11
15 minus a human body and a human soul I don't know. It might be that the
human spirit is transferrable. What if God is able to move people's spirit around at
will and attach it to a body and soul other than a human body and soul; say, the
body and soul of a demonic being? The very thought of such a possibility is
disturbing.

UPDATE: 176 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 10,933,824 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

I would offer..

Temporal, dying as the first death a human existence under the letter of the law (death) on earth is a composite of body, soul, and spirit. The whole person perishes never to rise to new spirit life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Those whosoever are freely given a new born again heart and spirit it will never die..They will rise on the last days and receive the promise of the new incorruptible body .The first and only resurrection. That gate will stay open till the last day. And in the new order the letter of the law "death" along with its sufferings called hell it will not rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation .

The death of death, the letter as it is written tossed into spirit of judgment. No double jeopardy judged twice. We are carrying out that law (death) yoked with Christ the burden( hell) is made lighter.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

[Beetow]

I would offer.. Ecclesiastes 12:7, Job 34:15, Ecclesiastes 3:20

I decline your offering.

Something I had to learn early on as a Christian is that Jesus Christ is God's final
word to mankind, viz: His son's teachings trump all other teachings that came
before him including Moses, the prophets, David, Solomon, and Job too.

• Luke 11:31 . . The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of
this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to
listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

• John 3:31 . . He that comes from above is over all others.

• John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is
upon him without measure or limit.

• John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no means walk
in darkness, but will possess the light of life.

Jesus comes highly recommended too.

• Matt 17:5 . . A voice from the cloud said: This is My son, whom I love; with him I
am well pleased. Listen to him.
_

 

[Garee]

I decline your offering.

Something I had to learn early on as a Christian is that Jesus Christ is God's final
word to mankind, viz: His son's teachings trump all other teachings that came
before him including Moses, the prophets, David, Solomon, and Job too.

• Luke 11:31 . . The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of
this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to
listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

• John 3:31 . . He that comes from above is over all others.

• John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is
upon him without measure or limit.

• John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no means walk
in darkness, but will possess the light of life.

Jesus comes highly recommended too.

• Matt 17:5 . . A voice from the cloud said: This is My son, whom I love; with him I
am well pleased. Listen to him.
_

I would agree we listen to the son of man Jesus the prophet who brings the word of God the teacher our father as our one good master and lord .One is our good teaching master as Lord not seen He gave a temporal spirit and body of fleswh to mankind who are subject the letter of the law. Mankind violated the law of death through sufering the pangs of hell . The believer who is given a new born again spirit that will never die. The letter of the law and the suffering of hell as part of it they will not rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation . The death of death tossed into the fire of jusdgement .

There will be no suffering after one takes their last breath there temporal spirit return to the Faher of all spirit life and their earthen body returns to the dust.

 

[Beetow]

COMMON ATTITUDE: I'm special; God understands me. Although He probably may
not let others off; I'm sure God will make an exception for me because I'm not like
other people; I'm different.

RESPONSE: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make
exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go
against His grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause
Him to lose the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is
treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine absolutes; there is neither
a curve nor an exception: nobody gets any favors, nobody is special, and nobody is
a protected species.

• Deut 10:17 . . Yhvh shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

• Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is
impartial.

• Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge
of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give
eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and
honor and immortality that God offers.

. . . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil deeds. There will be anguish and
calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all practice good --for the
Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

UPDATE: 180 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,182,320 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

 

[Garee]

God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is
treated equally in God's courtroom.

I would agree. But would offer he teaches us on a curve. Some of the slower learner take a little more patience .I think anyone who asks themselves knows the answer . . . "What is it that they have not received freely from the hand of God and if we have received it why would we boast as if we had not ??

If he began his teaching in us he promised he will work in us with us till the end

Philipians1:6 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[JerryfromMass]

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

How many is many? I don't know, but it would seem to be more than a few. Many will enter through the gate of destruction, and few will will enter through the gate of life.
It seems the majority of mankind will not be saved.

Are just a few being saved? Someone asked Jesus that very question, what did He say?

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Jesus says "many" will try to enter through the narrow door, but will not be able. Obviously not everyone will be saved. It seems the majority will not be.

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

A great multitude.. "which no one could count".. this would seem to be a large number, but if we put this into perspective... the population of the Earth is about 8 billion. Even if 1 or 2 billion of them get saved,
that means 6 or 7 billion will not. Still 2 billion would qualify as a "great number".

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Not everyone who thinks they are saved actually will be. Again we see that "many" will ask Jesus didn't I do things for you? But it seems that "many" will be practicing lawlessness.

Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Many are called... Even Judas was chosen by Jesus. But few are actually chosen.

Matt 24:5; "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
Matt 24:11; "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.

Mark 13:6; "Many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He!' and will mislead many.

Twice within just a few verses Jesus says here.. "many" will be mislead. Why didn't He say "Just a few will be mislead"? It seems many, will be deceived and mislead.

We need to be praying and witnessing to people, sharing the gospel, but despite our best efforts.. "many" will not be saved.

If you are not putting your complete faith in, complete trust in, and complete rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ crucified died buried and resurrected, then you are susceptible to being misled to the broad way and through the wide gate to eternal destruction.

Blessings.

 

[JerryfromMass]

COMMON ATTITUDE: I'm special; God understands me. Although He probably may
not let others off; I'm sure God will make an exception for me because I'm not like
other people; I'm different.

RESPONSE: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make
exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go
against His grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause
Him to lose the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is
treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine absolutes; there is neither
a curve nor an exception: nobody gets any favors, nobody is special, and nobody is
a protected species.

• Deut 10:17 . . Yhvh shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

• Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is
impartial.

• Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge
of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give
eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and
honor and immortality that God offers.

. . . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil deeds. There will be anguish and
calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all practice good --for the
Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

UPDATE: 180 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,182,320 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

One must admit, though: God is definitely not fair. HE is forgiving of the worst of sinners who deserve eternal punishment, but for the fact that they repent and believe. I know; I am one. Hallelujah! Thank you LORD. All blessings and honor and glory and power to almighty God the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.