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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In
stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other animals
to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the biblical traitor
Judas Iscariot.

The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red
and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral goats,
allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them. The red paint
marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know which one not to shoot.

You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children following
you there: and they trusted you.

Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess it's
probable.

A farmer went out to the barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to sneak a pull
from his liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard something behind
him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming towards him. In
amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to find his way out to the
barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I walked in your footprints.

One can only imagine the anguish that parents in the netherworld must feel
knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in an ideology that led them
down the road to hell and all the while sincerely believing themselves doing the
right thing. In other words: they actually Judas-goated their children to follow mom
and dad down there. For some families, the only thing they have to look forward to
in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and despair.

UPDATE: 30 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 1,863,720 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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I don't think the people in hell/hades will know one way or another, for all that there will be is darkness, burning heat, and weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Where is that recorded in the Bible? So they are sitting on the throne right next to Jesus while He is sitting right next to the Father, or Do you believe a Portion of Scripture that says: "absent from the body present with the Lord' means everybody is Running around in Heaven and Rejoicing before their "Judgment" and "The Marriage Ceremony" before they get their New Bodies and wedding garments and rewards. For there are different "Judgment Bars" Meaning there is a judgment seat for those in Christ! So they are jumping around like Adam and Eve right now in Heaven naked?

New American Standard Bible (John 3:13).
"No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

(John 14:3).
New Living Translation
When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am.
English Standard Version
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.

He will come and get us, when things are ready: US the "Body of Christ" He promise this what He will do for us, "We are the Hidden mystery"! "Many are called but Only a Few has been Chosen" This position "Elected" according to grace. There is a group of "Believers" that has never been promise "Sonship" by adoption. "One of the reason, why the JEWs called Jesus a Blasphemer claiming to be The Son of GOD" In other words how could anybody believe something like that, "Crucify" him! The Jewish people would not dare Call GOD, Father! Abraham was their father! GOD is GOD the creator. And they were "The People" of GOD and Not the Sons of GOD!

You know this stuff! Rapture= One of the reason for Pre-MIL. Many I say, Many do not understand "The People of God" and "The Sons of GOD" Which is revealed in "Christ" that was Hidden but there in The OT all the time but unveil in The NT. in Bright lights!

11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

When many read the "Holy Scripture" they have mix Scripture up Like "Louisiana Gumbo"! And i do understand after years of listening to people talk and apply "Holy Scripture" The Scripture mix has settled in the mix. and you cannot take the Gumbo out of the Gumbo after it has been mix and settled.

Just like when a Truck driver rebuilds his 'Cat 3406E",engine. He tears it down, and buts it back together and you look on the the floor and there is a little spring lying there. and you show him , he looks at it, then says, The engine is running alright, i don't need that and toss it into the trash! Then 3 months later on the back roads of "New Mexico" where he has not seen a vehicle in the last 2 hours traveling or a back desert Town. he hears some claking noise! about 430 miles from a reliable "Cat Engine" repair shop! and 2000 miles from home! yes you are right, he start thinking about that small spring, He throw in the trash.

These are real live stories! And I don't make no mistakes like that. That repair might cost about 10 to 15 thousand dollars. to put a 15 cent spring in! LOL

Life has many lessons.! So if that spring is on the floor, you get a book and tear that "Cat 3406E" back down while you are still and home. Then after about 4 days you can curise on across :"New Mexico" desert with ease.

And jesus said: If i have told you about earthly things and you have not understood, you sure is not going to understand the Heavenly things.
Our physical incorruptible glorified bodies will not be with the Lord until HE comes for the Ekklesia. Those that have died in Christ have spiritually been with HIM, patiently waiting for their icorruptible glorified bodies. I can't tell you whether their spirits are running around naked or not. But so what if they are? There is no shame for those that are in Christ.
 
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No, Jesus did not say today you will be with me in my kingdom! Meaning that day.

Jesus said: Truly I say unto you TODAY, you shall be with me in Paradise!

In other words " I am saying these words TODAY! You shall be with me in Paradise!

There is a difference, a lot of non bible teachers and nominals have mess up the Gospel of Jesus Christ so bad a person with 20/20 cannot see the truth in God's Word!

Look also at the time period, when did Jesus go to heaven, and did the Bible say when he died, where did he go? And how many days was he there? Then after. 3 days How many days he walked upon the earth? And why did he say: do not touch me to the women. And what day was that? And what day did the thief on the cross die?

Your teaching is in error! And those who know the truth and stand by and say nothing are in error too!

Shame on those who knows the truth! And will not instruct her to the truth of God's Word. A little leaven destroys the whole Truth of God's Word! In this fashion!
The paradise Jesus spoke of was Abraham's Bosom, where Jesus would descend to to take captivity captive and lead them all to heaven to wait patiently for their incorruptible glorified bodies.

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Comma placement changes a few things.

Luke 23:43
(AMPC) And He answered him, Truly I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.
(ASV) And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise.
(BBE) And he said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you will be with me in Paradise.
(CSB) And he said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
(ERV) Then Jesus said to him, "I promise you, today you will be with me in paradise."
(ESV) And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
(GNB) Jesus said to him, "I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me."
(GW) Jesus said to him, "I can guarantee this truth: Today you will be with me in paradise."
(HCSB) And He said to him, "I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise."
(ISV) Jesus told him, "I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise."
(KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
(KJVA) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
(MKJV) And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise.
(MSG) He said, "Don't worry, I will. Today you will join me in paradise."
(NAS77) And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
(NASB) And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
(NIrV) Jesus answered him, "What I'm about to tell you is true. Today you will be with me in paradise."
(NIV) Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
(NKJV) And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
(NLT) And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
(TPT) Jesus responded, “I promise you—this very day you will enter paradise with me.”
(Greek NT) καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς· ἀμήν λέγω σοί, σήμερον μετ᾿ ἐμοῦ ἔσῃ ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ.
(Hebrew NT DD) ויאמר ישוע אליו אמן אמר אני לך כי היום תהיה עמדי בגן־עדן׃
There is no comma in the Greek text. It was added by the KJV translators.

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Why does he blind people so they cannot be saved if he "wants to save them"?

“But despite all the miraculous signs Jesus had done, most of the people still did not believe in him. This is exactly what Isaiah the prophet had predicted: “LORD, who has believed our message? To whom has the LORD revealed his powerful arm?” But the people couldn’t believe, for as Isaiah also said, “The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts— so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and have me heal them.”” John 12:37–40 (NLT)

“I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.” John 17:9 (KJV 1900)

etc., etc.
They are blinded because they have rejected the only begotten Son of God - Messiah. They have committed blasphemy against God. They are prideful and prefer the traditions of men over the truth of God.

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It's easy to assume that only really bad people are in hell. But according to Matt
7:23-27, John 3:3-8, John 3:14-20, John 3:36, and Rev 20:11-15, anybody can be
there; both the good, the bad, and the not so bad-- bikers, bakers, lawyers,
welders, actors and actresses, housewives, bankers, heavy equipment operators,
loggers, convicts, celebrities, homeless bums, clergy, prostitutes, drug lords,
postmen, Presidents, Kings,

. . . statesmen, astronauts, school teachers, scientists, nurses, doctors, chemists,
machinists, carpenters, waiters, hotel managers, cops, judges, nuns, priests,
Popes, deacons, salesmen, Miss Americas, news anchors, weathermen, and
birdwatchers, et al --people from every walk, every career, every religion, every
culture, every language, every ethnic, every craft, and every status: they're all in
danger of the sum of all fears.

Rev 20:12 . . I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and
books were opened.

Because when you strip away their gender, their titles, their distinctions, their
privileges, and their entitlements; and stand them before God naked; people are
only flesh and blood creatures-- naked apes, just human beings; and human beings
are intrinsically sinful beings whether inbred or bred to perfection.

Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

Ps 58:3 . . Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are
wayward and speak lies.

Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature objects of wrath.

UPDATE: 96 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 5,963,904 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Here, it's quite simple: in hell are the unsaved, in heaven are the saved. Neither goodness nor badness is of any consequence. All we are sinners deserving of hell, but God saves the repentant faithful.

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FAQ: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps
106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?

A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say when
with some folk.

Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and
those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the
firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.

It's possible to push God too far. For example:

Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.

In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in
Ephraim. They were too far gone.

UPDATE: 183 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,368,692 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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FAQ: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps
106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?

A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say when
with some folk.

Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and
those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the
firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.

It's possible to push God too far. For example:

Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.

In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in
Ephraim. They were too far gone.

UPDATE: 183 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,368,692 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Blessings,

Kindly explain how you arrive at your daily figures, most recent as 11,368,692.

Blessings
 
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The information you seek is located back in post No.5
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The word for "few" in Greek is "oligoi" and is found elsewhere when speaking of the eschatological few that will be saved, which includes the dead and those alive at the parousia. Peter specifically uses oligoi to describe eight people saved out of perhaps billions left to perish in the flood. You would probably be safe to increase your latest figure by 50-80 percent.

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The law of God says: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, and life for
life.

Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; and leave mass murderers like Stephen Paddock
who indiscriminately sprayed a music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped
with a bump stock resulting in 471 dead and/or wounded? How are those guys
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all those people?

The law of God also prohibits dishonesty. Well; supposing somebody has been less
than totally honest upwards of 200 incidents in their lifetime? How are they
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all that?

Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales; which is no doubt at
least one of the reasons why Hell and the lake of fire are so permanent. And even if
they weren't permanent, they'd at least have to be very long-running in order to
satisfy justice for some folk.

UPDATE: 184 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,430,816 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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The law of God says: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, and life for
life.

Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; and leave mass murderers like Stephen Paddock
who indiscriminately sprayed a music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped
with a bump stock resulting in 471 dead and/or wounded? How are those guys
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all those people?

The law of God also prohibits dishonesty. Well; supposing somebody has been less
than totally honest upwards of 200 incidents in their lifetime? How are they
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all that?

Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales; which is no doubt at
least one of the reasons why Hell and the lake of fire are so permanent. And even if
they weren't permanent, they'd at least have to be very long-running in order to
satisfy justice for some folk.

UPDATE: 184 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,430,816 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Where does the sinner go for salvation?

The one who worships another god: where does he go for forgiveness and salvation?

The idolator: where does he go for forgiveness and salvation?

The blasphemer: where does he go?

The one who rejects keeping sabbath day holy: where does he go?

The one who dishonors his parents?

The murderer?

The adulterer?

The thief?

The liar?

The covetous?

Where does any sinner go for forgiveness and salvation? Look to the Cross and the empty tomb and bow down to the risen Christ Jesus.

Blessings.
 
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@Beetow -- apparently you're basing all those statistics on a good-works based salvation. IF a person's being in heaven for All eternity is based on their good works -- None of us would be there. We'd All be in hell / lake of fire and brimstone ForEver and Ever. There would be No getting out after a while because we'd 'served our time'. And there would be no one in there for an extra-long time because they'd been extra-horrible.

Maybe you're equating hell / lake of fire and brimstone with the RCC purgatory. That Eventually all those hundreds of thousands of people will end up in heaven Eventually.

What we need to be doing -- is taking opportunity Now to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen, so that fewer people will end up 'down there'.
 
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That is very RCC
I remember in the bad old days when not going to church on Sundays was a mortal sin.
And as good little Catholics we all knew what that meant for our souls.
I, too, was raised in a SRCC - Strict Roman Catholic Church family. No longer do I identify as RC. I'm a nondenominational disciple of Jesus. And I am fully aware that my assembling with other like-minded believers has no bearing on my salvation. I was simply illustrating how the Ten Commandments are God's moral law, how we all break them, most if not all of them, and that regardless of the number of laws we break or the number of times we've broken them, we all have sinned and there is only one way to the forgiveness of our sins and one way to eternal salvation.

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apparently you're basing all those statistics on a good-works based salvation. IF a
person's being in heaven for All eternity is based on their good works -- None of us
would be there.
This thread has never been about the road to Heaven; it has always been about the
road to Hell.

If you would rather talk about the road to Heaven, then I would like very much for
you to put your thoughts on hold, leave this thread immediately, and go start a thread
of your own instead of disrupting this one.

What I say to one; I say to all. Either stay on-topic or stay away. Don't make a
nuisance of yourself by muddying the waters with digressive comments,
complaining, and fault finding.
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Jonah 4:9-11 . . God said to Jonah: Do you have a right to be angry about the
vine? I do; he said. I am angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been
concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up
overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty
thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as
well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?

Had not the adults of Nineveh changed their ways from Jonah's preaching, 120,000
small children would have died through no fault of their own. They would have been
collateral damage due to their parents' decadence.

NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years later in Nahum's
day it was destroyed by means of war and conquest; whereby a whole new
generation of pre-schoolers died before their time.

Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of a mystery; but does
make one wonder where else this terrifying work of His goes on. Did God somehow
have a hand in the American civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the
Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab Spring, and in the
pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the housing bubble, and the genocides of
the last century, and in natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and
super storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is still out
there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still taking young lives.

UPDATE: 187 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,617,188 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Jonah 4:9-11 . . God said to Jonah: Do you have a right to be angry about the
vine? I do; he said. I am angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been
concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up
overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty
thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as
well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?

Had not the adults of Nineveh changed their ways from Jonah's preaching, 120,000
small children would have died through no fault of their own. They would have been
collateral damage due to their parents' decadence.

NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years later in Nahum's
day it was destroyed by means of war and conquest; whereby a whole new
generation of pre-schoolers died before their time.

Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of a mystery; but does
make one wonder where else this terrifying work of His goes on. Did God somehow
have a hand in the American civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the
Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab Spring, and in the
pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the housing bubble, and the genocides of
the last century, and in natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and
super storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is still out
there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still taking young lives.

UPDATE: 187 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,617,188 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Whatever God does, i.e., destroy individual people, nations of people, or the whole world, it is HIS sovereign prerogative, because it is all HIS to do with as he pleases.

God created it ALL for HIS purpose. HE purposed when ALL began, and HE will purpose when it ALL ends. That's who God is: HE IS GOD.
 
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Our physical incorruptible glorified bodies will not be with the Lord until HE comes for the Ekklesia. Those that have died in Christ have spiritually been with HIM, patiently waiting for their icorruptible glorified bodies. I can't tell you whether their spirits are running around naked or not. But so what if they are? There is no shame for those that are in Christ.
There is no shame in being naked, it is who man truly is. From the fall onwards, makind has covered himself with a facade, a fake rendition of the true person. This is why so many christians are embracing that choice, so we can try and get back to the truth in christ and ourselves. I am here to tell you, it works, and its in favor with my mighty God, my dear friend , counsellor and redeemer. The naked unadulterarted truth, not the manmade gospels and false ideology. Stay in the truth.
 

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