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Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.


How many is many? I don't know, but it would seem to be more than a few. Many will enter through the gate of destruction, and few will will enter through the gate of life.
It seems the majority of mankind will not be saved.

Are just a few being saved? Someone asked Jesus that very question, what did He say?

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.


Jesus says "many" will try to enter through the narrow door, but will not be able. Obviously not everyone will be saved. It seems the majority will not be.

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

A great multitude.. "which no one could count".. this would seem to be a large number, but if we put this into perspective... the population of the Earth is about 8 billion. Even if 1 or 2 billion of them get saved,
that means 6 or 7 billion will not. Still 2 billion would qualify as a "great number".

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


Not everyone who thinks they are saved actually will be. Again we see that "many" will ask Jesus didn't I do things for you? But it seems that "many" will be practicing lawlessness.

Matt 22:14; "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Many are called... Even Judas was chosen by Jesus. But few are actually chosen.

Matt 24:5; "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
Matt 24:11; "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.

Mark 13:6; "Many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He!' and will mislead many.

Twice within just a few verses Jesus says here.. "many" will be mislead. Why didn't He say "Just a few will be mislead"? It seems many, will be deceived and mislead.

We need to be praying and witnessing to people, sharing the gospel, but despite our best efforts.. "many" will not be saved.
 
Loyal
It seems during the tribulation, even with all the plagues and obvious signs of God happening all around people, they will not repent.

Rev 9:20; The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;
Rev 9:21; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.

Jesus gives people time to repent, but some people do not want to repent.

Rev 2:21; 'I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.
 
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Very few are going to make it, they simply dont have the strength or the will to follow Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ. The cost for them is to high. They are lovers of the world and not the truth. Be prepared for a bumpy ride real soon.
 
Loyal
It seems during the tribulation, even with all the plagues and obvious signs of God happening all around people, they will not repent.

Rev 9:20; The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;
good post brother you know it just hit me to ask this question, when I hear people talk of the pre trib rapture,,,they all talk about the great multitude of people being saved during the tribulation, as matter of fact I have heard these preachers say more people are being saved during the tribulation then any other period of time..

HMMM might have to dig into this.. sorry hope not too off topic



Often times I have heard people say that God has made it easy to be saved, all we have to do is believe. Yet that is not what the bible teaches at all, it hard the way is difficult.... but those that don't know the word are easily deceived, not matter how much we tell them to their face they think they are good to go. their idea of being a good person is going to save them....
 
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Hell is generally an acceptable topic among Christians; that is, until somebody
starts associating it with numbers and real people. Then it tends to lose its
popularity real fast.

According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all matters
pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls haven't been
making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and
journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that
be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I
say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is
the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate
and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but indefinite
number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to, only a small
number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with me while I flesh
this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Oct 08, 2020 @ 11:13 AM New York
Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 330,417,424
with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which translates to an
average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one
24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are
under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of the current
daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum percentage to
51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,670 American adults transferring to perdition
every day: which translates to roughly 111 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as the Lord didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think: by the
time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 55
Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,670 condemned souls per 330,417,424 population: computing
the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global
population of 7,687,998,331 people, would suggest something like 62,124 new
arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld every 24 hours; which translates to
approximately 2,588 souls every sixty minutes on the clock.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in
roughly 20 hours. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls
started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:00 AM
tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on those
days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to 12.2%
higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to global warming, Wall Street crashes, massive layoffs,
outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes, nuclear
meltdowns, air, water, and soil pollution, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened
species, the price of oil, student debt, GMO, trade deficits, protests, Federal debt,
factory recalls, overpopulation, pandemics, lock downs, desertification, genocides,
revolutions, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS,
LGBT marriage, Obamacare, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or President
Donald Trump's wall.

If classical Christianity's perception of the hereafter is correct; then it's apparent
that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in an endless procession like the
unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson chicken
processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the
Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and
to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends
its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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The Divine Comedy
by Dante Alighieri
Inferno: canto 3, v.1-9


Through me; the way to the eternal city.
Through me; the way to eternal sadness.
Through me; the way to lost people.

Justice moved my supreme maker:
I was shaped by divine power,
By highest wisdom, and by primal love.

Before me, nothing was created
That is not eternal: and eternally I endure.
Abandon all hope, you that enter here.

Dante's poetic epic is called a comedy because it has a happy ending as opposed to
a tragedy; at least for Dante anyway. The souls he and Virgil pass along the way
through the Inferno portion of Dante's odyssey will never, nor anon, have a happy
ending; hence the sign above the entrance to his netherworld: "Abandon all hope,
you that enter here."

Webster's defines "despair' as: to no longer have any hope or belief that a situation
will improve or change. Well; down in the Inferno section of Dante's concept,
despair is a way of life. It's likely not much different in the real inferno.

When people first get there, no doubt they start asking around to find out how long
they have to stay there. It must be very devastating to encounter folk who've been
languishing in the fiery region of the netherworld since practically the dawn of Man.

One of the hardest concepts to get across is the despair that people in Hell must
feel in knowing that their situation is a sealed fate with no hope of relief. Dante's
odyssey, though of course fiction, is useful for that purpose; especially when it's
accompanied by illustrations painted by Gustave Doré.

Jesus warned his listeners that they'd be better off facing eternity with their hands
and their feet amputated, and their eyes gouged out, then to end up in a region
called ghehenah in the Greek; a much worse place than Hades. So in my
estimation, Dante's descriptions, and Gustave's paintings, though disturbing
enough in themselves, aren't sufficient to impress just how terrible the ultimate of
fates really is.

UPDATE: 5 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 310,620 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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People have been filtering into perdition not only since the time of Christ, but since
before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even before the Flood. I won't speculate
how many years that might be, but h.sapiens is thought by some to have achieved
full behavioral modernity something like 50,000 years ago. (There's new findings
suggesting that human existence goes as far back as 150-300,000 years) Anyway;
whether that extends clear on back to Adam, I have no clue. But just think: if it
does, then Cain and others from his era have been down in the netherworld all this
time.

It's difficult for the human mind to appreciate 50,000 years let alone 300,000. I've
been on Earth for just 76, and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to
me now as to seem more like a fantasy than a memory. But you know; when you're
talking about eternity, 50,000 years isn't even a drop in the bucket. If it were a
drop in the bucket, it would be a bucket with no bottom; which is roughly akin to
the futility of a gnat attempting to drink up the Atlantic ocean.

Time stands still in Hell: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who arrived there
yesterday didn't begin doing time in jail like Martha Stewart expecting to get out
some day; nor is perdition a temporary tour of duty like shipping out to
Afghanistan. If only they could see a light at the end of the tunnel; but that's just
it: there is no end of the tunnel; it's like a Gerbil exercise wheel; within which the
little rodents run and run and run but get nowhere. No, people in Hell are in it as
perpetual residents; they're in a rut.

But just imagine bringing with you a craving for tobacco with none available. Or
longing for a cocktail with no liquor in sight. A desire for music, with no way to
produce it. A skill for writing, with no pen and paper. Yearning for a walk out in
nature, with no world to do it in.

People in Hell will never again smell a sea breeze, sit in the shade of a tree, take
deep breaths of mountain-fresh air, play at sports, hear a bird chirp, see a sunset,
watch a lunar eclipse, jog in the park, strum a guitar, enjoy a Christmas dinner with
loved ones; nor make little pigs of themselves gobbling barbecued spare ribs and
corn on the 4th of July.

Sports and recreation are gone: no more World Series, no more Super Bowl, no
more Olympics, no more Las Vegas, no more Indian casinos, no more lottery, no
more Lego World, no more Sea World, no more NASCAR, no more golf, no more
surfing, et al.

No baths, no showers, no sleep, no TV, no radio, no iPods, no computers, no
Twitter, no texting, no FaceBook, no Instagram, no YouTube, no MySpace, no
internet, no clean sheets, no breakfast, no lunch, and no dinner. No snacks, no
gum, no candy, no flowers, no parks, no rivers, no snow, no seasons, no picnics, no
malls, no fast food, no trades, no careers, no trendy fashions, no jewelry, no
cosmetics, no concerts, no operas, and no hobbies; absolutely nothing of this world
that brings people the pleasures and the satisfactions of just being alive.

The mental atrophy, and the boredom that must result from that kind of mindless
existence is beyond estimation.

It's doubtful there's pets in Hell, and/or flowers and vegetation of any kind. The
absence of birds, fish, and animals of course precludes the citizens of Hell ever
again spending a day at the zoo. The one advantage of the lack of pets and
vegetation in Hell is the absence of fleas, mosquitoes, and allergies. I suppose you
could say that's at least one good thing about it. There's a bright side to everything
I guess; even to that place.

UPDATE: 8 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 496,992 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
stealing through the dark of the night.
Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
checking to the left and the right.
Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
something doesn't feel quite right.

Help me someone, let me out of here.
Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
pushing from above and below.
Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
round and down and sideways they go.
Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
then as one they sigh and they moan:

Help us someone, let us out of here.
Living here so long undisturbed,
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down . . Sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you

Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life.
Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
waiting for the morning light.
Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
things that go to make up a life.

Sit down . . Sit down
Cause you won't get away,
no; with us you will stay
for the rest of your days.
So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.

(Home By The Sea, Genesis, 1983, Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford)

The lyrics of that song are useful for depicting how one of the few thing that some
people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell each other
about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell about their lives down
there since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur in that place. Nobody has
a life; nor any hope of getting one.

UPDATE: 11 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 683,364 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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To help explain the day of Judgement, I use the following parable: Once upon a time there was a fictitious land called marshland. Now as its the end times, the population of this nation was told to gather at the international airport. At this vast airport there are basically two terminals and a check in area. So the citizens of this nation line up in an orderly manner, way down the end of Airport Avenue and almost into the city. People then go to the check in counter, where an attendant checks to see what terminal they are leaving from ( The book of life) Now, Terminal A are the flights to paradise ( Tahiti, Madagascar, hawai etc all rolled into one with Jesus and God living with us) Terminal B however are the flights to an active volcano on a rock island in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. Now this is where people get all defensive and upset. The VAST majority of these people will be sent to terminal B for there flight to Volcano Island, which is what you described above. A relatively small number will be in Terminal A. You terminal B people will be living in appalling conditions and being in company with pedophiles, mass murderers , rapists etc. Have fun is all I can say. Why are you people in terminal B? Because you rejected the living God and the gift of eternal life, sharing his Glory in paradise. No one to blame but yourselves.
 
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Now a second parable to help explain why most will be in terminal B. So my partner and I are walking along the street when we hear loud music, lots of laughter and the smell of bbq meat in someones backyard. Now we have acknowldged the householder many times as we walked past, but never in deep conversation. So we decide to enter the householders backyard, and help ourselves to a cold beer, sit down and listen to the live band they have hired, and consider even swimming in his pool. Eventually the householder comes over and asks "who are you?" Of course we are offended at this question, after well, we have said hello to this person many times. Why cant we sit here , and eat drink and be merry?? Then he kicks us out and says "I do not know you, you have no right to be here" Go back out on the sidewalk in the heat with the rest of them. Amen
 
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Ps 146:3-4 . . Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there
is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his
thoughts perish.

Some people honestly believe the passage above teaches that people cease to exist
when they pass away; but were their belief true, then Christ would've ceased to
exist when he passed away on the cross and in order to restore the Lord's body
back to life, it would've necessary to create him back to existence. No; I'm pretty
sure it's saying something very different. It's not talking about consciousness.
Here's a much better way to say it.

"When their breathing stops, they return to the earth, and in a moment all their
plans come to an end."

Consider all those people who perished in the World Trade Center, in the Japan and
Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake. None of them woke that day
planning on it being their last on earth. No, on the contrary; they had people to
see, places to go, and things to do: but before the day ended; whatever was on
their minds lost its importance-- their priorities went right out the window and
became no more significant than green cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their schemes,
their problems, their aspirations, and their loves went right down the tubes as they
were suddenly confronted with a whole new reality to cope with.

While preparing for a new world tour, Michael Jackson died in his sleep. As a result;
his tour wrapped on the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison; he quit drinking, and began
going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½ years all went
well. His parole officer was happy, and my nephew was on track and getting good
grades. His future looked assured. And then on the morning of Sept 25, 2015, he
dropped dead to the floor of natural causes. As a result; his college education, and
his hope to become a counselor, dropped dead to the floor right with him.

UPDATE: 14 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 869,736 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Saturday, June 27, 2010, a 6-month-old baby girl was killed and her mother
seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New York
City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near the sea lion
exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and fell.

Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning home to
Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California with his bride
Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand Am hit a cow twenty
miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road, through a fence, and burst into
flames. Idalia escaped with only minor injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles
Medical Center in Bend the very next day.

Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one single
minute of their marriage-- never had a baby, never joined the PTA, never saved for
college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little league, never went on
family picnics, never took home movies and photos at Christmas, Easter, or
birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand castles --no, their entire future,
and all their dreams of family life, were shattered in an instant by a lame-brained
bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even 20 years old yet. He could've lived another fifty
years.

March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan, was
sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the Atlantic Ocean
side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a wingspan of 5 to 6
feet; leaped up out of the water-- for who knows what reason --and collided with
Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck of the boat. She died from the
impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her, wasn't injured.

On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station wagon
and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island house. The
acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's Men, and The
Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no incident.

As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just before
noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of steel rod into the
air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's windshield, smashing into his
forehead, killing him almost instantly.

Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually get up
in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752 killed, and
127,294 listed as missing in more than eleven countries by the tsunami of 2004,
were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be their last day on earth.

The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center on
September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon, didn't go in to work
expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No, people's lives often end while
they still have obligations and commitments, aspirations, things to do, places to go,
and people to see; when a car accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash,
crime, heart attack, or stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out of the
blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A similar act of
nature on March 11, 2011, left 25,000 dead and/or missing in Japan.

Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30, 2010 after
part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield. Dawn was driving
south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable toilets fell from the trailer
of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable toilets shattered when they hit the
road, and a piece of one of them crashed through the woman's windshield, striking
her. Johnston's car then veered off the road and collided with a tree.

A rain-saturated hillside above the Stillaguamish River on the outskirts of the rural
town of Oso in the State of Washington gave way March 22, 2014 leaving behind a
current death toll of 41 souls. The landslide happened to suddenly and so rapidly
that nobody saw it coming and/or had the slightest chance of getting out of the
way. Listed among the dead and missing was a four-month old infant.

Freak incidents like those listed above can happen to anybody in the form of a stray
bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a piece of meat,
electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath tub; bricks dropped
from an overpass, a school shooting, or any number of out-of-the-blue surprises.

Because of the uncertainty of tomorrow, people need to start thinking about the
afterlife today, while they have the chance; rather than risk being caught off guard
by sudden death when there will be no time to think; and they find themselves
suddenly thrust into the unseen world quite by surprise.

Ecc 9:12 . . No man knows when his hour will come: as fish are caught in a cruel
net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times that fall
unexpectedly upon them.

UPDATE: 17 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 1,056,108 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Read the next verse -
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves".

The false prophets and wolves keep you in the Wide Gate unto Death.
Sounds like 99.999999999999% of the preachers out there.
 
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According to Matt 10:28, the body and the soul are perishable. However; though
the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by divine means;
i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily simultaneous, viz: the soul lives
on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a thumb down.

UPDATE: 20 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 1,242,480 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Greetings,
Even in the days of Noah...eight people were saved from the flood. EIGHT.

I watch as the world runs to and fro; being tossed like waves in the sea. They serve mammon, and continue to feed the beast.
Have we forsaken anything...?

Everybody, except a few, follow the traditions of their father. Broad is the way and wide is the gate that leads to destruction, and many have no problem finding it. Its everywhere and its what this world does. The flesh lust after its self and the pride of this life.
Yes, few, forsaking all...find the straight path with a narrow gate.
Be Christ like...
Now how is that possible being tossed to and fro with our worldly affairs?
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Is it possible the instability within the house made with hands is that way because their leaders are serving the beast as well; being tossed to and fro?
Jesus, a carpenter's son, didn't show up to help his father one day cause he was on a mission for his Father.
Father show his Son the hearts of men are wicked and dark. And if the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness?
Not just a nation needs to repent, but the entire world.
God bless
 
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The futility of this manmade existence is obvious for any real christian to see. It is temporary and all you have accumulated can be taken from you in the blink of an eye. Not to mention there values , ideals and morals, which are not true and are merely human conditioning and based on traditions. Nudity is a case in point. Sadly very few people are going to make it to the new world/heaven.
 
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Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to enter
the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell; where
the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.

The "hell" in that passage is a different Greek word than the "hell" of Luke 16:19
31. That one is haides (hah'-dace) which is an afterlife sphere where all the dead
go; both the good dead and the bad dead regardless of age, race, color, gender or
religious preference. This word here in Mark is geena (gheh'-en-nah) which is
where only the bad dead will end up some day: likely the lake of brimstone
depicted at Rev 20:11-15

Anyway; Christ's instructions didn't reveal anything new. He simply reiterated
information that had already been released by an Old Testament prophet roughly
700 years before.

Isa 66:22-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to
another, all mankind will come and bow down before me-- speaks the Lord. And
they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against Me:
their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome
to all mankind.

That rather ghastly scene depicts a sort of tourist attraction similar to the La Brea
Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric creatures,
excavated from ancient asphalt deposits, are on display.

A worm that thrives in flame is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable. The 4-inch
Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176° Fahrenheit; hot enough to
kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if God could create a worm like the
Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create worms that like it even
warmer.

faq: The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive in flame as perpetual
nourishment for those worms?

a: The laws of nature are not absolute. They were created in the first chapter of
Genesis to control the behavior of created matter, and as such are easily
manipulated by the one who designed them.

For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but left
unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback while
tending his father-in-law's sheep. (Ex 3:1-3)

Compare Dan 3:8-27 where a blistering hot fire didn't even so much as singe the
clothing of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego while slaying the guards that threw
them in the furnace.

faq: Won't the worms eventually exhaust their food supply?

a: There are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food stuffs were
miraculously multiplied. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a tiny bit of flour and
oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son, for a good many days during
a time of prolonged drought.

Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and left her
deeply in debt. God multiplied her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell enough to pay off
her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.

No; I'm pretty sure those worms won't need to worry about running out of human
remains with which to sustain themselves.

UPDATE: 23 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 1,428,852 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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The end of the Lord is tender mercy - James 5:11
In the end, "God shall be all in all" - I Cor 15:28
He gave himself a ranson for all, to be testified in due time - I Tim 2:6
 
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The end of the Lord is tender mercy - James 5:11
Matt 5:7 . .Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy

Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy
In the end, "God shall be all in all" - I Cor 15:28
"all in all" doesn't mean that everybody will end up at peace with God. It only
means that when all is said and done, God Himself will be in complete control
He gave himself a ranson for all, to be testified in due time - I Tim 2:6
There's a parallel to this located in the Old Testament located at Num 21:5-9. Long
story short: to rescue his people from death via snakebite, Moses constructed a
replica of the snakes and hoisted it up on a pole where it could be easily seen. Well;
the trick was, in order for the replica to work as an antivenin, the people had to
look to it. Anyone who failed to look would of course die.

The thing is, Christ gave himself to ransom everyone and anyone who wants to be
spared the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:10-15. People who neglect to avail
themselves of his ransom will of course end up slain by brimstone just as anyone
who neglected to look to Moses' replica were slain by snakes.

John 3:14-17 . . Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the
Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal
life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, so that everyone who
believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. For God did not send
His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved
through him.

John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him will not be condemned; but whoever does
not believe has already been condemned.
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