Respond to my Post??
Why not respond...
1) envolve, handling of this topic needed attention because he acted non professional.
2) You seem to have pretty much got the Doctrine of what you want to believe.
However, out of courtesy I will respond.
Romans 9:14-23 You stated seems at glace to contradict Peter's statement. (
2 Peter 3:9)
Cman77:
If we were to take this verse using your interpretation it would be in direct contradiction to the passage from Romans I qouted above.This is the group that any and all refer to. I am not aware of any other verse where God openly declares He wants to save everyone. If there is then you can point it out to me. To do this we must ask ourselves who Paul (Peter?) is writing to.
Because of your current belief system, you decided to attack the
Any and
all.... which has to be done if you believe in any Election Doctrine...
Any and all simply get in the way... You choose to side with Romans 9:14-23........However, we know that scripture does not contradict... and we don't need to attack Any and All........ but All means "ALL" and ANY means ANY.
Lets look at another scripture.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Does Whosoever mean everyone in the World.. or does it mean the one's God picked??
1Ti 2:3 For
this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
All men are lost, all fall short of the Glory of God..... do some men get picked out of this group meaning the verse should have said... Who will have "Some" men to be saved??
Does God take pleasure if the Wicked perish??
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not
that he should return from his ways, and live?
Election Doctrine has lots of problems........
It takes away man's ability to Choose, and makes the Choice of Men of no effect.... If God chooses you to be saved, then who can stop that??
God would know.. who is getting saved, and who is not.....
But that did not stop God from repenting now did it???
Why did God repent ?.... because men choose something different...
Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and
the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Jer 42:10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up:
for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.
Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil,
I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jon 3:9 Who can tell
if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and
God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
God sure does a lot of repenting for being someone that has already seen ahead of time, and picks and chooses.... ummmm..
He repented according to the choices and action of men....
Even Eli who he promised great things..... said this...
1Sa 2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith,
I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever:
but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
God is no respecter of any person................... NONE!!!!
2Sa 14:14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again;
neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.
Rom 2:11 For
there is no respect of persons with God.
What about this scripture!!!!!
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
How does God draw?? With Jesus, and the Word!!!
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and
he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
In the begging was the Word, the Word was with God, and
WAS GOD!!! (
John 1:1)
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Who are these Whoseover's???? Where they come from??
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Cman77: Quoted
through our sin, who make ourselves unable to respond. The preaching of the Gospel is the tool which God uses to bring souls to repentance. The Holy Spirit works through the preaching of the Gospel to regenerate the spiritually dead.
You say that someone has to be regenerated first?? to be born again? to receive the Word? Or was every Man given THE measure of faith to do so??
Does man have a choice? or does God have to pick first... breaking a bunch of scripture we already covered?
Do you have a scripture where one has to be Regenerated first?? Before hearing the Word and accepting Jesus??
Pharaoh
Almost forgot...............Romans 9:14-23
Rom 9:17 For the scripture
saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Exo 5:2 And Pharaoh said,
Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
Exo 8:15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite,
he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
God would show his Glory to Israel who he picked beforehand as a oath and covenant with Abraham. God also set up Pharaoh, as it's the Lord that sets up Kings...
However, who's heart was already hard toward the Lord??
Has God ever Judged?? (Ninavah??)
Rom 9:22 What if God, although fully intending to show [the awfulness of] His wrath and to make known His power and authority,
has tolerated with much patience the vessels (objects) of [His] anger which are ripe for destruction?(9)
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie:
Is there any other place in the bible God had great patience with a person or people before he had to Judge???
If we are a bad vessel.... can we change that??
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth;
and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Who has to purge themselves??? Should Pharaoh Have listened??
Did God not endure Long with Pharaoh before Pharaoh crossed the Line??
Jesus Is Lord.