The 6 Major Sins of Calvinism

[envolve]

Dear Envolve you said,

You are trying to minimize but Calvinists worship the evil spirit masquerading as an angel of light...What love is that? Shame on you!

I am not minimising Calvinism Envolve, my only problem with Calvinism is how God elects. I could never say that Calvinism is evil only that it appears erroneous.

Calvinists maintained the position of scripture only for centuries. We have benefited from that stance, they protected the scripture.

I have known and loved Calvinists in my own Church.

If they confess and believe in Jesus Christ they are worthy of equal respect. Finding unity in Christianity above the basic doctrines is akin to finding the Holy Grail, just peruse the posts on this website for a while.

Let's hope for your sake envolve that we are not the ones who are decieved in our reading of the New Testament.

Envolve this is what love really is all about, not biting but sharing with our brothers and sisters.

There is nothing in the Bible to support irresistible election but we do find verses where God pleads with us indicating election is conditional for initial salvation.

Calvinists don't give their lives to Christ because what they do is pridefully assume they were irresistibly selected, not repenting to the cross as helpless sinners to be regenerated. So it is a charade, fake.

This is why Calvinists come across cold-hearted because their salvation was not real.

I am not sure if it is their previous hardness that causes is this or their faith through Calvinism that hardens them harder like the Pharaoah's heart was hardened further. Even so his heart was hardened after the first active instance of him hardening his own heart first.

The Calvinist wants to be admitted into the flock but He can't come in because he still refuses to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. He still rejects God of the Bible who privides sufficient grace for all to have the choice.

It's really a sad state of affairs they are unwilling to let go of themselves and place their trust in Christ. All we can do is keep praying for them.

 

[David777]

Once again.

Dear Envolve please research what the Christian life involves. Then come back and see me when you know the answer.

It is not a witch hunt, it is love from a pure heart empowered by the Holy Spirit. This love is not from within us it is always from above.
Walk in Love Envolve at all times.

 

[David777]

Yet again.

Envolve you used the term "sufficient Grace", my reading of the scripture implies much more than sufficient. There was always left over when Christ fed the multitudes.

 

[agua]

The Holy Spirit in agreement with the word of God like verses 1 Tim. 4.10 told me Calvinists are not my brothers in Christ for they refuse to give their lives to Christ. They refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated, worshiping a false Christ.


Do you see how you misuse Scripture?


It's really quite wrong to call someone a Christian who is not. You encourage them to live in a false salvation which binds them for Hell.


The reason we talk about this is so that the Calvinist can then repent and give his life to Christ. Someone who loves and cares will do this and speak the truth.

I have never known a Calvin who has does not believe in Christ and His resurrection.

Rom 10:9-11 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES ON HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME."


You cannot say anyone who has accepted Christ as their Lord is unsaved.

However we can judge christians by their fruit and this fruit includes the love they show for their brothers.

From the fruit you have shown in this thread and another you started concerning the Parousia I can see it is you who needs to repent.

Mat_7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

 

[jiggyfly]

The owner is a Calvinist, and a hard one at that, thus unsaved. I am just saying be careful. Calvinist seeds are being planted here continually.

Where is your proof of this?
Please show some posts by the forum admin/owner that back up your accusations.

 

[cman77]

Did nobody read my post? I was actually hoping someone would try and explain away these "evil" doctrines I believe. If I am in error then I would appreciate someone correcting me.

 

[Brother Mike]

Respond to my Post??

Why not respond...

1) envolve, handling of this topic needed attention because he acted non professional.

2) You seem to have pretty much got the Doctrine of what you want to believe.

However, out of courtesy I will respond.

Romans 9:14-23 You stated seems at glace to contradict Peter's statement. (2 Peter 3:9)

Cman77:

If we were to take this verse using your interpretation it would be in direct contradiction to the passage from Romans I qouted above.This is the group that any and all refer to. I am not aware of any other verse where God openly declares He wants to save everyone. If there is then you can point it out to me. To do this we must ask ourselves who Paul (Peter?) is writing to.

Because of your current belief system, you decided to attack the Any and all.... which has to be done if you believe in any Election Doctrine... Any and all simply get in the way... You choose to side with Romans 9:14-23........However, we know that scripture does not contradict... and we don't need to attack Any and All........ but All means "ALL" and ANY means ANY.

Lets look at another scripture.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Does Whosoever mean everyone in the World.. or does it mean the one's God picked??

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

All men are lost, all fall short of the Glory of God..... do some men get picked out of this group meaning the verse should have said... Who will have "Some" men to be saved??

Does God take pleasure if the Wicked perish??

Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Election Doctrine has lots of problems........

It takes away man's ability to Choose, and makes the Choice of Men of no effect.... If God chooses you to be saved, then who can stop that??
God would know.. who is getting saved, and who is not.....
But that did not stop God from repenting now did it???

Why did God repent ?.... because men choose something different...

Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

Jer 42:10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

God sure does a lot of repenting for being someone that has already seen ahead of time, and picks and chooses.... ummmm..

He repented according to the choices and action of men....

Even Eli who he promised great things..... said this...

1Sa 2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

God is no respecter of any person................... NONE!!!!

2Sa 14:14 For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

What about this scripture!!!!!


Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

How does God draw?? With Jesus, and the Word!!!

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

In the begging was the Word, the Word was with God, and WAS GOD!!! (John 1:1)

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Who are these Whoseover's???? Where they come from??

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Cman77: Quoted

through our sin, who make ourselves unable to respond. The preaching of the Gospel is the tool which God uses to bring souls to repentance. The Holy Spirit works through the preaching of the Gospel to regenerate the spiritually dead.

You say that someone has to be regenerated first?? to be born again? to receive the Word? Or was every Man given THE measure of faith to do so??
Does man have a choice? or does God have to pick first... breaking a bunch of scripture we already covered?

Do you have a scripture where one has to be Regenerated first?? Before hearing the Word and accepting Jesus??

Pharaoh

Almost forgot...............Romans 9:14-23

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.



Exo 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.

Exo 8:15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

God would show his Glory to Israel who he picked beforehand as a oath and covenant with Abraham. God also set up Pharaoh, as it's the Lord that sets up Kings...

However, who's heart was already hard toward the Lord??

Has God ever Judged?? (Ninavah??)

Rom 9:22 What if God, although fully intending to show [the awfulness of] His wrath and to make known His power and authority, has tolerated with much patience the vessels (objects) of [His] anger which are ripe for destruction?(9)

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


Is there any other place in the bible God had great patience with a person or people before he had to Judge???

If we are a bad vessel.... can we change that??

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Who has to purge themselves??? Should Pharaoh Have listened??
Did God not endure Long with Pharaoh before Pharaoh crossed the Line??


Jesus Is Lord.

 

[cman77]

Just to be clear. You don't believe that God elects people to Salvation, correct?

 

[Brother Mike]

God elects..

Just to be clear. You don't believe that God elects people to Salvation, correct?

If I did, then God would have to be a respecter of persons.. So, I don't believe that...

I can show however that as part of the body of Christ, we do have elected rolls to play, God's will and not our own as part of the body. Made by God created after his Workmanship..

I have questions that are outlined in Green.... Could you answer those?

 

[cman77]

yeah I am working on it, in the meantime maybe you could write a short exposition on Romans 9 to tell me what it is talking about if it is not talking about election.

 

[cman77]

Does Whosoever mean everyone in the World.. or does it mean the one's God picked??


Whosoever means whosoever. And the "whosoever believes in him" is just that. whosoever is not a choice it is a group

Does God take pleasure if the Wicked perish??

well you answered this question yourself, but we are talking about the election of believers not the condemnation of unbelievers

Why did God repent ?....

"God sure does a lot of repenting for being someone that has already seen ahead of time, and picks and chooses.... ummmm.."

are you saying that he doesnt see ahead of time? and the word "repent" means different things in each of those verses you posted.
　
How does God draw?? With Jesus, and the Word!!!

yeah, I know. I can't see how this refutes election in anyway

Does man have a choice? or does God have to pick first... breaking a bunch of scripture we already covered?

God picks

Do you have a scripture where one has to be Regenerated first?? Before hearing the Word and accepting Jesus??

hearing the gospel is the means by which man is regenerated

Is there any other place in the bible God had great patience with a person or people before he had to Judge???

well he made his people wander in the dessert for forty years so that the nations in the promise land could further fill their cup of wrath

If we are a bad vessel.... can we change that??

If? there is no if. we are all bad vessals, until God gives us new birth. and it is only God who can change someone, who can bring someone from spiritual death into life.




　

 

[envolve]

I have never known a Calvin who has does not believe in Christ and His resurrection.

Rom 10:9-11 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES ON HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME."


You cannot say anyone who has accepted Christ as their Lord is unsaved.

However we can judge christians by their fruit and this fruit includes the love they show for their brothers.

From the fruit you have shown in this thread and another you started concerning the Parousia I can see it is you who needs to repent.

Mat_7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Not everyone who says they are a Christian is. Remember there are many false Christs Jesus warned us about.

 

[cman77]

hey Envolve, respond to my post on page 2

 

[Brother Mike]

Short.... Romans 9

yeah I am working on it, in the meantime maybe you could write a short exposition on Romans 9 to tell me what it is talking about if it is not talking about election.

Lol.. I understand.... Things can get long...

Romans 9....

Appears that God chooses before hand who get's made a vessel of destruction and who gets destroyed... Who gets chosen for Glory, and protected. God's Choice with no input from the vessel being destroyed. Of course God would only do this as righteous act... without being unfair...

it started with this statement...

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

That looks like a clear cut case of Election.... but who was included in that election??

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in [1] relative disregard in comparison with My feeling for Jacob).(6)

The election included those that be the seed of Abraham.. We are saved by faith, THROUGH GRACE, or Mercy...
This was in regards to the relationship God had between Esau and Jacob.. And that the Promise extends not only to Just Israel as was the common problem back then in converting Jews, but to everyone..

So......... God will have mercy on who he wants... that was the message to let the Jews know that the promise was not just for them, but all that were blessed with faithful Abraham through Issac.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

And God's Rule... to Rebecca... The Elder (Easu) shall serve Jacob.
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

There is no question about God's Election in what we are to do on this Earth.. we see that in the concept of the body of Christ... (Each being a chosen and specific part) We saw that with Peter And John, where Peter was upset about each of their called path??

Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

This does not in anyway denote God picks some to die and go to Hell however... It does denote that we all have a place and path to follow.

Why did God hate Esau?? God did pick him to serve Jacob.. right?

We know Issac blessed them both...

Heb 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

That was Esau's Choice...

Then Paul goes into Pharaoh. Who God had patience with.......

Read the rest of my post under Pharaoh..

 

[Brother Mike]

My response.

Whosoever means whosoever. And the "whosoever believes in him" is just that. whosoever is not a choice it is a group

You have a scripture that states it just meant a group, and not whosoever on earth..??

Does God take pleasure if the Wicked perish??

well you answered this question yourself, but we are talking about the election of believers not the condemnation of unbelievers

If God does not take pleasure in the death of the Wicked... then would he choose to not want everyone saved?? We also are not assuming that there is a "Election of believes" Doctrine is not what we are basing our study of the Word on.

How does God draw?? With Jesus, and the Word!!!

yeah, I know. I can't see how this refutes election in anyway

I means it's the Word being Preached.. not men being picked...

Does man have a choice? or does God have to pick first... breaking a bunch of scripture we already covered?

God picks

Your saying God is a respecter of persons???

Do you have a scripture where one has to be Regenerated first?? Before hearing the Word and accepting Jesus??

hearing the gospel is the means by which man is regenerated

Is this to say that Man must first hear the word of life which causes faith (Rom 10:17)..... and it's the choice of the man to respond... or God picks them to respond...??

and if God picks them to respond... could I have a scripture as he has given EVERY man the measure of faith..

Is there any other place in the bible God had great patience with a person or people before he had to Judge???

well he made his people wander in the dessert for forty years so that the nations in the promise land could further fill their cup of wrath

The scripture says they were tried in the desert.... would they need tried if God already knew...??
Did God cause them to Wonder... or did they not enter in because of THEIR unbelief??

If we are a bad vessel.... can we change that??

If? there is no if. we are all bad vessals, until God gives us new birth. and it is only God who can change someone, who can bring someone from spiritual death into life.

That is not the scripture I gave... stick to the Word, not your Doctrine... one more time...

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man (NOT GOD) therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Why did God repent ?....

"God sure does a lot of repenting for being someone that has already seen ahead of time, and picks and chooses.... ummmm.."

are you saying that he doesnt see ahead of time? and the word "repent" means different things in each of those verses you posted

The word REPENT is the same Hebrew Word used in all those scripture's..... It means to be sorry, or regret... and if God knew ahead of time... why would he repent...... I know you want to think God knows as your doctrine states.. but lets stick with the Word in this case... Why would God repent, if he already knew??

Why would God promise something to Eli and change his mind...?? Did Eli have something to do with that??

Jesus Is Lord.


Jesus Is Lord.

 

[cman77]

well I am going to be done replying after this post because the only reason we are having this issue is because you can't understand what I am saying and how I am saying it. Its not your fault, its hard to talk about things like this and get your point across on a forum. but I will leave you with this question to ponder.

If God doesn't know what is going to happen then how can we trust anything He says in prophecy?

and if you think that God does not know every detail about the universe He created, well then you have some serious problems in your theology. God must know.

and by the way, you only supplied an exposition through verse 13 in Romans nine. there is more to be said in that chapter.

 

[envolve]

Assuming Irresistibly Regenerated is a Contrite Spirit?

Okay first off I would like to say that I would never question a persons salvation based on whether or not they are a Calvinist.

1) What Calvinist have you ever met that said you don't have to repent and trust in Christ to be saved? And further more, what Calvinist have you ever met that thought Total Depravity was an excuse for unbelief and sin? When did it become a selfish doctrine to say "I was dead in my sin Lord, unable to save myself. You and You alone saved me."

Yes Calvinists believe that you must repent and trust in Christ to be saved but what they don't tell you is that in order to repent and trust in Christ to be saved you must be irresistibly regenerated. This is false and lacks genuineness for true salvation. They pridefully assume they were irresistibly selected and others are sent to Hell without sufficient grace to have the choice for no other reason than they were born into sin. What love is that?

A Calvinist doesn't say Total Depravity is an excuse for unbelief in sin, but rather the Calvinist erects this idol to, in fact, not repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated because Total Depravity says you can't unless you are irresistibly regenerated. What you think is not the same as what actually is. To assume one is irresistibly regenerated is obnoxious. It is not a selfish doctrine to say, "I was dead in my sin Lord, unable to save myself," but if what you really mean is that God irresistibly selected you and there was nothing you could do about then that is clearly selfish. That's a lie.

2) What are the wages of sin? Death is the wages of sin. Whether you believe in the doctrine of Original Sin or not, you cannot deny that everyone has sinned in this life. Whether its our fault or not, we are sinners; All of us. That being the case, we are open to the justice of the law of God. So if God decides to be merciful and grant repentance to a sinner like me, how can that be seen as an evil act? As for those who die in their sins and are justly punished by God, what wrong has God done them. What charge will you bring against God?

I believe in original sin. God supplies sufficient grace and mercy to all, giving us the free-choice, otherwise God would be evil if He did not. Be honest with people, because what you are really saying when you claim God "grant you repentance" is that He irresistibly regenerated you and there was no way you could resist it. This is imaginary, not real and not genuinely coming to the cross as a helpless sinner to be regenerated. The One True God provides sufficient grace to all to have the choice. This is something your god can't do. So God trumps your god every time. A person does not deserve to got to Hell just because they were born into sin, but they do deserve to go to Hell if they reject God's saving solution. Just think, if it is evil for us to behave the way your god does towards fellow man then it is evil for your god for how can God's standards be below our own? Two children playing in quicksand, you should not yank one out and leave the other to perish; rather you should plead with them both to come out and extend an arm out to both as well and give each of them the ability to be able to freely respond to that extended arm. This is something your god can't do because he is not God. You worship a god of dull robots. Surely God can do better than that.

"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory"- Romans 9:14-23

God has mercy upon whom He has mercy and compassion upon whom He has compassion. His ways are above our ways. This mercy and compassion extend far and beyond the common grace which is sufficient grace we all share as Romans 1.20 says we are all without excuse. To be without excuse demands you have the sufficient grace to have the choice otherwise you could not be guilty of rejecting God's only begotten Son. God is the one in control; salvation is not by works. The Pharaoh's first active instance of rejecting God was his own doing. God did not make the Pharaoh hostile, but that was the Pharaoh's own choosing. Once his decision was sealed God hardened his heart further as he hardens Calvinists' hearts further. Why do you find fault with God when God doesn't save you the way you want to be saved? Who can resist His will? How can you say to the molder you were irresistibl selected and will not accept Him unless He irresistibly selects you, not giving you the choice? God is not the god of robots or of easy-believism, but He is relationship and wants to enter into a relationship with you, so He provides you with sufficient grace to have the choice, and thereby you can freely obtain the gift of repentance and faith if you were willing. Only then God will regenerated, not before.

3) Wow! This point is almost laughable. I know from personal experience that I wanted nothing to do with God before I was regenerated. Does this mean I did not have a choice? No it does not. You have to be careful not to eqaute Free Will with Choice. Every man has the Choice put in front of him to obey the Gospel or to reject it. We don't, however have the Will to obey the Gospel because we are dead in sin. This changes when God regenerates us. Repentance, Faith, and Obiediance is the result of regeneration; Not the other way around. Yes, God does force regeneration on those he loves, and how thankful I am that He forced it on me. If He hadn't, I would still be a lost sinner.

You were never regenerated. Why? Because you refused to employ your free-choice to receive Jesus as He truly is. Dead in sin doesn't mean you don't have free-choice, but that you have lost communication with God. You're still made in His image to have the free-choice. How else can God supply the gospel and plead with people if they don't have the free-choice. A dead person can't reject God either, so your analogy of being dead does not work. We have the will to receive the gospel because God has given us sufficient grace to be able to do so even though we are dead in sin. Total depravity is a heresy, an idol. It is an idol that you erect that causes you to assume you were irresistibly selected, but such pride will never do. This is not genuinely coming to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus Savior to be regenerated. Hence, you remain an unregenerate. Nowhere in the Scriptures can we find even one verse where God regenerates us to cause us to receive initial salvation. Initial salvation is regeneration and to be regenerated you would need to freely obtain the gift of repentance and faith by coming to God with an honest heart, something you are yet unwilling to do. Repentance and faith by the grace of God can regenerate a person. We are saved by grace through faith. And once saved one can receive increased repentance and faith, and obedience. God never imposes Himself on anyone. He is not an evil tyrant, nor is He the god of robots who can only irresistibly impose regeneration. He can do far better than that. The evil spirit masquerades himself as an angel of light imposing himself on people, producing a facsimile of God's grace claiming this is love. It's really Satanic grace. You accepted this evil spirit in you upon a false regeneration, because you were too selfish to give up control of self to come to the cross sincerely to be regenerated, so you remain as unsaved as you always were. In fact, your condition is even worse and farther away from God the deeper you go into Calvinism (2 Pet. 2.1).

4) There is no secret. As far as God declaring openly that He wishes everyone to be saved, I would think one of your main proof texts would be:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." -1 Peter 3:9

If we were to take this verse using your interpretation it would be in direct contradiction to the passage from Romans I qouted above. But to correctly interpret this verse we have to understand what is meant by the words any and all. To do this we must ask ourselves who Paul is writing to.

"Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1

This is the group that any and all refer to. I am not aware of any other verse where God openly declares He wants to save everyone. If there is then you can point it out to me.

"To those who who have obtained" is by those who have obtained, a free gift, that any can freely obtain. Hence, God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." He is the "Savior of all men, specially those who believe" (1 Tim. 4.10) NOT "Savior of of some men, specially those who believe" for that is redundantly nonsensical.

Your god is evil because he doesn't want all to be saved. What love is that? If two individuals are drowning off a boat and you stand there and want to save one but not the other shows what a sick soul you are.

5) You have got this so backwards its not even funny. God is the one who makes them able to respond. We are the ones, through our sin, who make ourselves unable to respond. The preaching of the Gospel is the tool which God uses to bring souls to repentance. The Holy Spirit works through the preaching of the Gospel to regenerate the spiritually dead. And unless you have some way of knowing who God has chosen, I suggest we continue to preach the Gospel in order to seek those whose names God has written in the Book of Life.

You wouldn't exist if God didn't create you. Therefore, you would not be able to choose Christ if God didn't create you and give you sufficient grace to have the choice. God doesn't make you do anything. You are a sovereign free-willed being. Satan tries to make you do things working from the outer. God works from the inner spirit with His Spirit. The Gospel is not some robotic tool. The gospel is offered to the whole world and all things sum up in Christ. It is wrong to give people false hope when according to your faith they could never receive the gospel they are preached to. This makes it all a charade, a facade, pretentious and insincere, exactly how Calvinists come across reflecting their false faith. A loving God extends His arm out to everyone. Your god is impotent to be able to do so. That's how I know you worship Satan's counterfeit. Why seek those who are written in the book when you admit you can't know who they are and when they would be irresistibly saved anyway? You're not making sense. This is how your conscience becomes degraded further for all is of God and man has no free will to respond. Such an attitude dulls one's conscience to realize it doesn't matter what you do, it is going to happen anyway. This mentality cannot but have negative effects on your life.

6) You said "The god of Calvinism you allege could save all but doesn't" Does this mean you are suggesting that God doesn't save all because he can't?

Whether your god could or could not save all by irresistibly imposing regeneration on all is not the point, but if he could he should. The point is if he could he should since it is wrong to send people to Hell for no other reason than they were born into sin. Just as it is wrong to send the Jews to the gas chambers for no other reason they were born Jews. That is not in keeping with His holy and righteous nature. The reality is your god can't save anyone since salvation is not by irresistibly imposing regeneration on anyone; that's all your god can do is allegedly irresistibly impose regeneration. Pathetic! A person made to do something against his will is of the same opinion still. You can take that to bank.

I would appreciate a response to each of these points. Please try to understand that I am not writing this based off some blind faith in doctrines written by some french theologian. I am writting this because my personal experience with The Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that I was dead in my sin, the Father chose me, Jesus atoned for my sin, the Holy Spirit gave me new birth from above, and all of this was done without my choosing it and without my permission.

Soli Deo Gloria

As you requested I have responded to each of your points. You are writing based on your false faith, not of Christ. The experience you describe is not my experience and what the word of God says. God never irresistibly imposed regeneration on anyone. Satan claims to do so though. I recognize my condition before I was unsaved searching God out with an honest heart-only then did I repent and believe in Him to be regenerated. You admit you did not repent and believe in Him to be regenerated, so I take you on your word that you did not so you remain an unregenerate. What you call "dead in sin" you have turned into Total depravity (a legalism), but nowhere in the Bible does God say you are Totally depraved. God says you are fallen from grace, but you are still made in His image with all your faculties, including the ability to help an old lady across the street as well as come to the cross as a helpless sinner to be regenerated.

I am writing this to you to show you that you worship a false Christ so that you can give your life to Christ for real for the first time in your life. What a glorious moment that would be to finally receive eternal life! This is my desire for you and God's desire for you. The Father as it stands has not chosen you, because you have not chosen Him. Jesus atoned for your sins but you reject His ransom by dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world. So what you call the Holy Spirit the Bible calls the evil spirit, masquerading as God. You admit of yourself it was "without my choosing and without permission." At least admit you reject the God who gives you the permission and the free-choice. Begin to be honest with yourself right there and recognize this is why the Bible says you are unsaved, because no such teaching you proclaim is found in God's word. Let us stay with what is supported and not insert into the text that which is not there. This takes humility, lowliness of heart, and a contrite spirit.“Jehovah is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart, and saveth such as are o f a contrite spirit” (Ps. 34.18 ASV). “For thus says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit” (Is. 57.15).

 

[Brother Mike]

If God doesn't know what is going to happen then how can we trust anything He says in prophecy?

As you stated... it's hard to convey Idea's, and compare different doctrines on a forum..

I never said God doe not know what is going to Happen... If God said it, it will happen..................

Balaam said.......
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

In other words.. God is not going to change his mind concerning what Balaam was asked to do...

We have mountains of evidence that God does know future events, and God speaks those events into being..

We also have mountains of evidence that when it comes to man's Choice.. God changes his mind very frequently, and it is dependent on that mans Choice...

We have no scripture that says God "Forces" man to do anything, but only to direct mans steps, and lead, and guide....

How can God then not know if a man will repent or not, or change... how is that possible.. I can post many more scriptures to prove this... and we should just not ignore them...

God tells us........
Jer 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

A Faith God, by nature (God is love, and it's who God is by nature.) would not consider someone to not want to obey him.... If your only thinking good, then someone's independent action could only change that... Not change your nature or the way you think...
That thought process, would always want to seek thinking good again about someone that messed up, and repented..

Romans 9:13-

I posted that....

Here it is again.

Pharaoh

Almost forgot...............Romans 9:14-23

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.



Exo 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.

Exo 8:15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

God would show his Glory to Israel who he picked beforehand as a oath and covenant with Abraham. God also set up Pharaoh, as it's the Lord that sets up Kings...

However, who's heart was already hard toward the Lord??

Has God ever Judged?? (Ninavah??)

Rom 9:22 What if God, although fully intending to show [the awfulness of] His wrath and to make known His power and authority, has tolerated with much patience the vessels (objects) of [His] anger which are ripe for destruction?(9)

Bottom line........ Pharaoh was already hard against God.... God had much patience with Pharaoh... but Pharaoh did not listen...
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[envolve]

Envolve you used the term "sufficient Grace", my reading of the scripture implies much more than sufficient. There was always left over when Christ fed the multitudes.

Yes, but God's grace is sufficient for us all to have the choice. This is something the god of Calvinism cannot do, because the god of Calvinism like an evil tyrant can only irresistibly impose regeneration. That will never do.

 

[envolve]

Just to be clear. You don't believe that God elects people to Salvation, correct?

God elects people to salvation but not the way you want to be saved. He elects by foreknowing our free-choice. This is called conditional election. All 5 points of Calvinism are false.

God predestinates by foreknowing our free-choice: a conditional election, unlimited atonement, resistible grace, for preservation of the saints.