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The 6 Major Sins of Calvinism

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The 6 Major Sins of Calvinism

(1) Selfishly, you refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated by erecting an idol called Total depravity which says you can't, so you don't.

(2) Presumptuously, you worship a god who sends people to Hell just because they were born into sin which is not their fault. Without any opportunity to be saved, they could do nothing about it. Such a god is impotent to be able to provide sufficient grace to all to have the choice.

(3) Evilly, you worship a tyrant that irresistibly imposes regeneration on people without affording them the choice (not much of a gift). "Someone made to do something against their will is of the same opinion still," Dave Hunt.

(4) In your own selfish image, you've created a doubleminded god who contradicts himself with his two wills, declaring openly he wants all to be saved, but secretly he doesn't. If something is a secret then by definition Calvinists can't make any claim about it or if it even exists, therefore, they are just pretentiously asserting themselves.

(5) It's wrong to give people false hope by delivering the gospel to them when your god makes them unable to respond. There is no way around this abusive behavior, duplicity and charade.

(6) The god of Calvinism you allege could save all but doesn't; in contrast, God of the Bible doesn't save all because most people refuse His love, e.g. Calvinists. God won't save you selfishly.
 
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Counting?

All I see in Calvinism is the will of God is absolute regarding election.

I prefer the love of God which determines that all can be saved.

I count one mistake, the primary error.
 
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Actually God's will is absolute regarding everything not just election. God's will is that His grace be sufficient for all to have the choice. Calvinists reject this God of the Bible.

I know the owner of these forums is a hardened Calvinist. Find a forum whose owner is a Christian not a Calvinist.
 
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My response was because there are lots of things wrong with Calvinism.
Not because I misread..

Jesus Is Lord.
My response was because you misread since you said, "You only counted 6?????????"

I never said how many I counted so why assume otherwise?

I just gave the top 6. Obviously, there are a lot more than 6, but I try to keep it simple to help the owner of these forums to lead him to Christ.

So why misread? I never said I only counted six.
 
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Dear Envolve.

I do not agree with your statement,

"I just gave the top 6. Obviously, there are a lot more than 6, but I try to keep it simple to help the owner of these forums to lead him to Christ."

Calvinists are Christians by any measure Envolve. Some are raised in strong Calvinists Churches they don't have a say. Some are taught in Calvinist Colleges, they may not see things the way you do. So what, are you correct in every interpretation of scripture.

No matter which system you follow as you study the scriptures there will be issues. All theologies have flaws, but to infer they are not Christian is crazy talk, not Jesus talk.
 
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Actually God's will is absolute regarding everything not just election. God's will is that His grace be sufficient for all to have the choice. Calvinists reject this God of the Bible.

I know the owner of these forums is a hardened Calvinist. Find a forum whose owner is a Christian not a Calvinist.


Pro 6:16-19 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: (17) A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, (18) A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, (19) A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
 
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My response was because you misread since you said, "You only counted 6?????????"

I never said how many I counted so why assume otherwise?

I just gave the top 6. Obviously, there are a lot more than 6, but I try to keep it simple to help the owner of these forums to lead him to Christ.

So why misread? I never said I only counted six.

Do you know the "owner of this forum"?
You think that the "owner of this forum" doesn't know Christ and you can lead him to Christ?
 
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I do not agree with your statement,

"I just gave the top 6. Obviously, there are a lot more than 6, but I try to keep it simple to help the owner of these forums to lead him to Christ."

Calvinists are Christians by any measure Envolve. Some are raised in strong Calvinists Churches they don't have a say. Some are taught in Calvinist Colleges, they may not see things the way you do. So what, are you correct in every interpretation of scripture.

No matter which system you follow as you study the scriptures there will be issues. All theologies have flaws, but to infer they are not Christian is crazy talk, not Jesus talk.

Calvinists are not Christians because they refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. They reject God of the Bible because they reject God who gives sufficient grace to all to have the choice. This is not some petty issue, they really are not saved.

You are trying to minimize but Calvinists worship the evil spirit masquerading as an angel of light.

How evil it is to send people to Hell for no other reason than they were born into sin, not giving them the grace to have the opportunity to be saved and then blaming them and coaxing them with the gospel they are made not to be able to respond to and this gives God glory? What love is that?

Shame on you!
 
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Pro 6:16-19 These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: (17) A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, (18) A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, (19) A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.
You're like the accuser of the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10).

Why assume Calvinists are saved? They refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world to save whosoever is willing. Free choice.
 
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Calvinist...

envolve:
You're like the accuser of the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10).
You know Envolve, I don't like the Calvinist doctrine.... In fact, I think it's one of the most blatantly silly doctrines out there. You got offensive with me when I agreed with your post...You compared Agua to the devil, and I know that brother loves God....

I don't agree with Jiggyfly on half his post, and definitively I don't agree with Agua on lots of things... But their agreement with me does not dictate my love for them, and respect for their love of the Lord...

You rant about Calvinist.... as if that is going to get them to listen... Sweet lips increase learning..... that is scripture BTW...

You have a more serious problem inside brother... It's called hate and self righteousness.... That is far worse than a Calvinist...who loves God in their understanding..

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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envolve:
You know Envolve, I don't like the Calvinist doctrine.... In fact, I think it's one of the most blatantly silly doctrines out there. You got offensive with me when I agreed with your post...You compared Agua to the devil, and I know that brother loves God....

I don't agree with Jiggyfly on half his post, and definitively I don't agree with Agua on lots of things... But their agreement with me does not dictate my love for them, and respect for their love of the Lord...

You rant about Calvinist.... as if that is going to get them to listen... Sweet lips increase learning..... that is scripture BTW...

You have a more serious problem inside brother... It's called hate and self righteousness.... That is far worse than a Calvinist...who loves God in their understanding..

Jesus Is Lord.
It is far from a rant for I hardly said much at all. Just a couple sentences.

Calvinism could be the most evil doctrine in Christendom, in the outward appearance of the kingdom, because it teaches people are saved who are not, since God will never save someone who refuses to repent to the cross as a helpless sinner to be regenerated and worships a God who doesn't provide sufficient grace to all to have the choice. Jesus said there will be many different false Christs. He said if you don't believe who He says He is you will die in your sins and He will deny you before the Father in heaven.

The owner is a Calvinist, and a hard one at that, thus unsaved. I am just saying be careful. Calvinist seeds are being planted here continually.
 
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The 6 Major Sins of Calvinism


(1) Selfishly, you refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated by erecting an idol called Total depravity which says you can't, so you don't.

(2) Presumptuously, you worship a god who sends people to Hell just because they were born into sin which is not their fault. Without any opportunity to be saved, they could do nothing about it. Such a god is impotent to be able to provide sufficient grace to all to have the choice.

(3) Evilly, you worship a tyrant that irresistibly imposes regeneration on people without affording them the choice (not much of a gift). "Someone made to do something against their will is of the same opinion still," Dave Hunt.

(4) In your own selfish image, you've created a doubleminded god who contradicts himself with his two wills, declaring openly he wants all to be saved, but secretly he doesn't. If something is a secret then by definition Calvinists can't make any claim about it or if it even exists, therefore, they are just pretentiously asserting themselves.

(5) It's wrong to give people false hope by delivering the gospel to them when your god makes them unable to respond. There is no way around this abusive behavior, duplicity and charade.

(6) The god of Calvinism you allege could save all but doesn't; in contrast, God of the Bible doesn't save all because most people refuse His love, e.g. Calvinists. God won't save you selfishly.




Okay first off I would like to say that I would never question a persons salvation based on whether or not they are a Calvinist.

1) What Calvinist have you ever met that said you don't have to repent and trust in Christ to be saved? And further more, what Calvinist have you ever met that thought Total Depravity was an excuse for unbelief and sin? When did it become a selfish doctrine to say "I was dead in my sin Lord, unable to save myself. You and You alone saved me."

2) What are the wages of sin? Death is the wages of sin. Whether you believe in the doctrine of Original Sin or not, you cannot deny that everyone has sinned in this life. Whether its our fault or not, we are sinners; All of us. That being the case, we are open to the justice of the law of God. So if God decides to be merciful and grant repentance to a sinner like me, how can that be seen as an evil act? As for those who die in their sins and are justly punished by God, what wrong has God done them. What charge will you bring against God?

"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory"- Romans 9:14-23


3) Wow! This point is almost laughable. I know from personal experience that I wanted nothing to do with God before I was regenerated. Does this mean I did not have a choice? No it does not. You have to be careful not to eqaute Free Will with Choice. Every man has the Choice put in front of him to obey the Gospel or to reject it. We don't, however have the Will to obey the Gospel because we are dead in sin. This changes when God regenerates us. Repentance, Faith, and Obiediance is the result of regeneration; Not the other way around. Yes, God does force regeneration on those he loves, and how thankful I am that He forced it on me. If He hadn't, I would still be a lost sinner.

4) There is no secret. As far as God declaring openly that He wishes everyone to be saved, I would think one of your main proof texts would be:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." -1 Peter 3:9

If we were to take this verse using your interpretation it would be in direct contradiction to the passage from Romans I qouted above. But to correctly interpret this verse we have to understand what is meant by the words any and all. To do this we must ask ourselves who Paul is writing to.

"Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1

This is the group that any and all refer to. I am not aware of any other verse where God openly declares He wants to save everyone. If there is then you can point it out to me.


5) You have got this so backwards its not even funny. God is the one who makes them able to respond. We are the ones, through our sin, who make ourselves unable to respond. The preaching of the Gospel is the tool which God uses to bring souls to repentance. The Holy Spirit works through the preaching of the Gospel to regenerate the spiritually dead. And unless you have some way of knowing who God has chosen, I suggest we continue to preach the Gospel in order to seek those whose names God has written in the Book of Life.


6) You said "The god of Calvinism you allege could save all but doesn't" Does this mean you are suggesting that God doesn't save all because he can't?


I would appreciate a response to each of these points. Please try to understand that I am not writing this based off some blind faith in doctrines written by some french theologian. I am writting this because my personal experience with The Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that I was dead in my sin, the Father chose me, Jesus atoned for my sin, the Holy Spirit gave me new birth from above, and all of this was done without my choosing it and without my permission.

Soli Deo Gloria
 
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It is far from a rant for I hardly said much at all. Just a couple sentences.

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The owner is a Calvinist, and a hard one at that, thus unsaved. I am just saying be careful. Calvinist seeds are being planted here continually.

1Jn_2:11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
 
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Hello Envolve.

Dear Envolve you said,

You are trying to minimize but Calvinists worship the evil spirit masquerading as an angel of light...What love is that? Shame on you!

I am not minimising Calvinism Envolve, my only problem with Calvinism is how God elects. I could never say that Calvinism is evil only that it appears erroneous.

Calvinists maintained the position of scripture only for centuries. We have benefited from that stance, they protected the scripture.

I have known and loved Calvinists in my own Church.

If they confess and believe in Jesus Christ they are worthy of equal respect. Finding unity in Christianity above the basic doctrines is akin to finding the Holy Grail, just peruse the posts on this website for a while.

Let's hope for your sake envolve that we are not the ones who are decieved in our reading of the New Testament.

Envolve this is what love really is all about, not biting but sharing with our brothers and sisters.
 
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1Jn_2:11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
The Holy Spirit in agreement with the word of God like verses 1 Tim. 4.10 told me Calvinists are not my brothers in Christ for they refuse to give their lives to Christ. They refuse to repent and believe in Christ to be regenerated, worshiping a false Christ.


Do you see how you misuse Scripture?


It's really quite wrong to call someone a Christian who is not. You encourage them to live in a false salvation which binds them for Hell.


The reason we talk about this is so that the Calvinist can then repent and give his life to Christ. Someone who loves and cares will do this and speak the truth.
 
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