Universities Offer Blasphemous “Queer Bible” Courses

[Bill]

Christ4Ever, going back to your OP, I agree completely that a “Queer Bible” course is blasphemous and I see no way that a person professing to be Christian could be truly regenerate could teach such things. But I wish to comment on a couple of the statements made in this OP, which I understand you quoted from another source.

“For generations, the KJV Bible provided the moral and ethical foundation”. I believe strongly that God for centuries blessed the KJV as THE translation for the English-speaking world. The ERV and ASV continue that faithfulness to God’s message. Once the NCC published the RSV, I do not trust any modern translation, conservative or literal, to the degree I will trust the KJV. In the past you and I have had discussion about the modern topic of “homosexuality”, and in a Christian spirit disagreed on it. For a person studying M-M relationships because of family or intimate church circumstances, I believe they are better off to trust the KJV while using the 1828 Webster’s English Dictionary with it.

The second statement I wish to comment on is: “God created man and woman, and ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman. Anything outside this divine institution is sin.”

Regarding this second statement:
1st, not all M-M relationships desire the legal entanglements of marriage and prefer a faithful promise with personal protections by legal documents.

2nd, not all M-M relationships are of the “gay” kind, or the LGBTQ perversions.

3rd, the conclusion drawn in the statement is a theological construction that cannot be supported by the following two statements:

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isa 8:20, KJV)

“And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.” (1Cor 4:6, KJV)
or as revised in the ASV
“Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.” (1Cor 4:6, ASV)

For Christians who study the modern hot-button issues of homosexuality and abortion, if a revision of the KJV is sought, go no more modern than the ERV or ASV. The Young’s Literal Translation is also safe on these topics. Even though I also use and study with modern translations such as the NEB, REB, NRSV & NRSVue, I reject their translations of 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10 in particular.

Christ4Ever, I wish to close by remarking, I do not recall ever seeing any post or reply of yours written in a way inconsistent with Christian fellowship with love.

You know I used to think that there was a little bit of a difference in the different types of homosexual Behavior. He have those who are extremely aggressive as in the story of Lot, and then there are those few that actually seem to have love for each other.

However I spoke to the Lord on the subject, and Lord made it plain as day to me that there is no acceptance of homosexuality of any type. That he made the family one man and one woman and that's it.

There is a unique sanctity that God has declared with His design. And let no one come between God and His design.

 

[Bill]

You’re seeing the fruit of the problem right there. Catholicism itself is not built on the Bible, it’s built on traditions of men. Jesus warned us about this: “Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition” (Mark 7:9). It’s not that this pope is liberal, popes, bishops, and councils never have been the authority God gave us. Scripture alone is God’s Word, and it alone is the standard of truth (2 Timothy 3:16–17).

So when Catholic leaders “go liberal” and approve what God calls sin, it only exposes the foundation they’re standing on. The Bible says clearly that marriage is one man and one woman (Genesis 2: 24; Matthew 19:4–6), and that same-sex unions are sin (Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9–10). When religion contradicts God’s Word, the religion is false.

You don’t need a pope, a bishop, or a church tradition to know the truth. You need Christ and His Word. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:31–32). The problem is not one liberal pope after another, the problem is following a system that replaced God’s Word with man’s authority.

You're welcome to have your own views, just make certain that they are with a pure heart. Because these things will be held against you, lying, stirring up trouble against your brothers and sisters, falsehood against your brothers and sisters.

Whether you want to accept it or not we are your brothers and sisters as you are mine.

Remember the second greatest commandment, love your neighbor as yourself. It's not limited to anyone in particular it's everyone.

 

[Kermos]

Not sure why i need to repeat myself. It is not my place to say if a person is worthy or not, that is between them and God. There are many who claim to be Christians who are devils too. Kkk comes to mind.yet all associated with them will not see it that way.

There are Muslims i have talked with who are turning to Christianity .

What i was trying to say, when a person loves God, they aready have faith in God. Because when you love God you already love Jesus, whether you know Jesus personally or not.

Jesus says he is the Alpha and Omega. He always was and always will be. This means that Jesus was present all through the Old Testament even though the Israelites did not recognize him. It's written in the scripture in the New Testament it states that Jesus was The Rock that followed the Israelites around in the desert during the time of Moses. The rock that gave people life-giving water.

Hello Bill,

You are not repeating yourself because you keep adjusting your answer by degrees. For example, this time you wrote "It is not my place to say if a person is worthy or not, that is between them and God" which deviates from your stated belief of "Why, what is the Eucharist, Jesus." so worthiness is irrelevant to your original declaration/question of "Does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes." (proof post #59).

Paul does not state that an unworthy person is disqualified for salvation in 1 Corinthians 11:23-32, so there is no reason for you to return to your explanation.

Please answer this question which is derived from your original declaration/question:

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Does receiving the Eucharist give a muslim who rejects Jesus salvation?​

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Love,
Kermos

 

[Kermos]

Why can't you tell me whose fault it is that people go to hell?

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

If God desires ALL men to be saved, why aren't all men saved?

What causes a man not to be saved? Does God cause a man not to be saved, or is it man who causes a man not to be saved?

Hello Curtis and @B-A-C (since you Like Curtis' post),

Why would anyone contradict the Christ's words of “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19 Includes salvation)?

The Almighty God's desire is always satisfied, so all men mentioned in 1 Timothy 2:3-4 exceeds not the exclusivity of current and future members of the Assembly of God.

God is good to cause men to be saved by God’s grace for God's glory! See post #88, too.

Believe the Word of God!

Love,
Kermos

 

[Jesua888]

2Th 2:10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

Why are people going to hell (perishing) when they don't have to if they choose to love the truth and so be saved?

My thoughts on this (do not know the scripture back ups for this or not for this?) are:
Judgement Day and the Lake of Fire come at End Times
I do not know where to find proof that people who died and were not saved by Jesus, went to hell?
This is an interesting topic : )

 

[Kermos]

1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of the whole world? Yes he did!,

There is no reason for anyone to spend eternity in the lake of fire.

If Jesus died for every person, why are most going to hell?

Because people refuse to choose the love of truth so they could be saved.

God does not make that choice for you. You have to choose life yourself.

God only provides the choices for man to pick from.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you that I have set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live

Hi Curtis,

You preach "Did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of the whole world? Yes he did" regarding 1 John 2:2, so according to your Free-willian Philosophy, the following represents fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers:

• if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
• if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts expire, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
• The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.

So, you preached failure atonement per your own writing, there.

Notice the phrase "the whole world" occurs twice in the same book with the same author, the First Book of John inspired by the glorious Holy Spirit.

You brought up 1 John 2:2 which shall be examined in a moment, but the second location is "We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19).

The Apostle John further wrote "you have overcome the evil one" (1 John 2:13), and John uses the "you" to refer to Christians exclusively; therefore, no Christian lies in the evil one, so current Christians are excluded from "the whole world" in 1 John 5:19.

Since current Christians are absent from "the whole world" in 1 John 5:19, then context establishes the definition of "the whole world".

Now, returning to 1 John 2:2 for the context of "the whole world":

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He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.​

(Holy Spirit inspired Apostle John, 1 John 2:2)​

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Christ's atonement succeeds without exception; therefore, "the whole world" 1 John 2:2 context excludes people like Nancy from the example above. This describes Christ's complete atonement.

Your belief includes people like Nancy from the example above in "the whole world" 1 John 2:2 context, so that describes Christ's failure atonement.

You just pressed on with "There is no reason for anyone to spend eternity in the lake of fire" which nullifies the need for the Savior from the wrath of God! You negated that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)!

Hear Savior Jesus Christ, "fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28)!

Praise be to the exclusive Chooser unto Life, Lord and God Jesus Christ (John 15:16; John 15:19; John 14:6)!

Love,
Kermos

 

[KingJ]

Wow lol, did not expect this thread to result in a Catholic discussion .

@Kermos start a new thread with all your Catholic questions.

You are proposing that Catholics believe the Pope is infallible. Where do you get that nonsense from?

 

[Curtis]

Hello Curtis and @B-A-C (since you Like Curtis' post),

Why would anyone contradict the Christ's words of “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19 Includes salvation)?

The Almighty God's desire is always satisfied, so all men mentioned in 1 Timothy 2:3-4 exceeds not the exclusivity of current and future members of the Assembly of God.

God is good to cause men to be saved by God’s grace for God's glory! See post #88, too.

Believe the Word of God!

Love,
Kermos

Joh 6:28 They then said, What are we to do, that we may [habitually] be working the works of God? [What are we to do to carry out what God requires?]
Joh 6:29 Jesus replied, This is the work (service) that God asks of you: that you believe in the One Whom He has sent [that you cleave to, trust, rely on, and have faith in His Messenger]. (Amp)

Joh 14:12 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, if anyone steadfastly believes in Me, he will himself be able to do the things that I do; and he will do even greater things than these, because I go to the Father.

 

[Kermos]

Wow lol, did not expect this thread to result in a Catholic discussion .

@Kermos start a new thread with all your Catholic questions.

You are proposing that Catholics believe the Pope is infallible. Where do you get that nonsense from?

No. The discussion initiated by @Bill is relevant to this thread topic.

 

[bdavidc]

You're welcome to have your own views, just make certain that they are with a pure heart. Because these things will be held against you, lying, stirring up trouble against your brothers and sisters, falsehood against your brothers and sisters.

Whether you want to accept it or not we are your brothers and sisters as you are mine.

Remember the second greatest commandment, love your neighbor as yourself. It's not limited to anyone in particular it's everyone.

Yes, we are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:39). But Scripture also warns against calling everyone “brother” without distinction. Paul makes it clear that not everyone who claims Christ is truly His: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). Jesus Himself said there would be many who say, “Lord, Lord,” yet He will reply, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:21–23).

So while we should love all people, true spiritual brotherhood is only among those who are born again through faith in Christ. To call someone a brother or sister in Christ when they are not saved is to blur the truth and give false assurance. The second commandment to love your neighbor is universal, but the fellowship of the saints is limited to the redeemed (Ephesians 2:19).

If someone is lying, stirring up strife, or spreading falsehood, Scripture says they are not walking as a brother but as one who needs correction and possibly even rejection after warning (Titus 3:10). Love does not mean ignoring truth. It means speaking truth, even when it cuts.

The Bible never commands us to remain silent when false doctrine is being taught. It tells us the exact opposite. Paul wrote, “Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not” (Titus 1:11). He commanded Timothy to “reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2).

Roman Catholicism is a false gospel. It adds works, sacraments, church authority, and traditions to the finished work of Christ. But the Bible says plainly, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). Rome rejects that.

We are told to “mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17). Jude 1: 3 commands us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That means we expose error, we don’t coddle it.

So NO, I will not call Catholicism “Christian” when it denies the true gospel. I will not pretend its priests, popes, and councils speak for God. The Word of God stands above every man-made system. “Let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4).

You said: “be held against you, lying, stirring up trouble against your brothers and sisters, falsehood against your brothers and sisters.” I have no problem standing before God for speaking the truth He commands us to speak, but you should be concerned about promoting a false gospel. I don’t need your permission or your advice about what I say.

 

[Bill]

Yes, we are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:39). But Scripture also warns against calling everyone “brother” without distinction. Paul makes it clear that not everyone who claims Christ is truly His: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19). Jesus Himself said there would be many who say, “Lord, Lord,” yet He will reply, “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:21–23).

So while we should love all people, true spiritual brotherhood is only among those who are born again through faith in Christ. To call someone a brother or sister in Christ when they are not saved is to blur the truth and give false assurance. The second commandment to love your neighbor is universal, but the fellowship of the saints is limited to the redeemed (Ephesians 2:19).

If someone is lying, stirring up strife, or spreading falsehood, Scripture says they are not walking as a brother but as one who needs correction and possibly even rejection after warning (Titus 3:10). Love does not mean ignoring truth. It means speaking truth, even when it cuts.

The Bible never commands us to remain silent when false doctrine is being taught. It tells us the exact opposite. Paul wrote, “Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not” (Titus 1:11). He commanded Timothy to “reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” (2 Timothy 4:2).

Roman Catholicism is a false gospel. It adds works, sacraments, church authority, and traditions to the finished work of Christ. But the Bible says plainly, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). Rome rejects that.

We are told to “mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17). Jude 1: 3 commands us to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” That means we expose error, we don’t coddle it.

So NO, I will not call Catholicism “Christian” when it denies the true gospel. I will not pretend its priests, popes, and councils speak for God. The Word of God stands above every man-made system. “Let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4).

You said: “be held against you, lying, stirring up trouble against your brothers and sisters, falsehood against your brothers and sisters.” I have no problem standing before God for speaking the truth He commands us to speak, but you should be concerned about promoting a false gospel. I don’t need your permission or your advice about what I say.

I guess we will find out the real truth when the Mark of the beast is preached at the pulpit. When many preachers and priests will tell many that it is ok to take is.

If you do take it, it will be a guarenteed trip to the fire.

 

[Bill]

Hello Bill,

You are not repeating yourself because you keep adjusting your answer by degrees. For example, this time you wrote "It is not my place to say if a person is worthy or not, that is between them and God" which deviates from your stated belief of "Why, what is the Eucharist, Jesus." so worthiness is irrelevant to your original declaration/question of "Does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes." (proof post #59).

Paul does not state that an unworthy person is disqualified for salvation in 1 Corinthians 11:23-32, so there is no reason for you to return to your explanation.

Please answer this question which is derived from your original declaration/question:

​

Does receiving the Eucharist give a muslim who rejects Jesus salvation?​

​

Love,
Kermos

""You are not repeating yourself because you keep adjusting your answer by degrees. For example, this time you wrote "It is not my place to say if a person is worthy or not, that is between them and God" which deviates from your stated belief of "Why, what is the Eucharist, Jesus." so worthiness is irrelevant to your original declaration/question of "Does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes." (proof post #59).""

So maybe i am missing something.

How does " it is not my place to say if a person is worthy or not, that is between them and God" and "the Eucharist is Jesus" and " does receiving the Eucharist give me salvation, yes" these statements become at odds with each other?

It is not my place nor your place to say whether or not a person is worthy to be with God. That is between them and God.

We know that you have to receive Jesus to enter into eternal life. But because a person accepts Jesus doesn't mean that they actually do receive Jesus. They can say it all day long like many Christians claim to be Christians and claim to say that they know Jesus when in fact they don't really have Jesus in them, they just say they do.

Much like the Pharisees that condemn Jesus claim to be Jews, but they weren't really Jews because they didn't have God in their heart. They were only Israelis by birth but they weren't Israelis by faith and spirit

Being a Christian is not a Christian just in your head. It's just not knowing about Jesus that saves a person. You can read all you want all day long about Jesus, but if you don't receive Jesus into your heart then you're nothing just a hypocrite.