Hi Curtis,
Let's review where this exchange started.
You wrote the true statement "
The only work that gives eternal life is having "faith in Jesus Christ" We must never think that the things we do is giving us eternal life." (proof
post #70), but you spent the last few days trying and failing to prove about you free-willians "
that the things we do is giving us eternal life.[/I][/B]".
And, since you have resorted to repeat your previously proven to be failed position regarding various scriptures, then it is prudent to step through the subsequent history about those various scriptures.
In
post #70, we find for us Christians “
that you believe in Him whom He has sent” “
is the work of God” (
John 6:29), and you glaringly neglected to write anything about specifically that all good works by us Christian are truly works of God “
he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (
John 3:21).
In
post #77, we find for us Christian that
Romans 4:4-5, which you wrongly quoted as support for your free-willian philosophy, shows that we do not direct our belief to point at Jesus because that would be a work of ours, a doing of ours, but God does direct our belief to point at the Son of the Father because for this is the work of God just as our Creator says “
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (
John 6:29).
In
post #78, we find for us Christian that the
Deuteronomy 30:19 passage fails to say man has the free-will ability to choose God, so this is not a free-will to choose God proof text.
In
post #83, we find exactly how your words change
Deuteronomy 30:19 into a thing punctuated in your free-willian philosophy which is not Biblical, and a detailed explanation of how your words illegally covert the righteous "Christ's love" into the lawless "man's love" for
2 Thessalonians 2:9-10.
In
post #85, we find your concluding paragraph of "
Nobody is forced to believe it is a choice every man must make" contradicts your opening sentence of "
Belief (faith) only comes from one source, the Word", and you abusively contort the Word of God recorded in
John 5:39-40 to illogically preach that because Christ says "
you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life" then such a one coming to Christ is a free-will choosing by man despite “
he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (
John 3:21) already being proclaimed to you in
post #70. Your opening sentence is true, but your concluding paragraph of "
Nobody is forced to believe it is a choice every man must make" demolishes the Sovereignty of God in your free-willian philosophy. The Word of God is “
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (
John 6:29)! Believe the Word of God!
In
post #88, we find you subsequently misapplied other scriptures while (1) you disregard the unison prayer to God which includes
Pontius Pilate to do whatever Your Hand predestined to occur as recorded in
Acts 4:24-30, (2) you disregard the Lord God Almighty is always good (
Mark 10:18), (3) you disregard the Lord God Almighty determines which of man perceive God (
Matthew 11:25), (4) you disregard the Lord God Almighty declares the Sovereignty of God (
John 3:3), (5) you disregard that self-will not free-will but self-will is Scriptural (
2 Peter 2:9-10), (6) you nullify the Lord God Almighty graciously imparts belief into God's chosen persons according to God's good will (
John 6:29), (7) you confusedly failed to associate "the Lord God Almighty declares man is accountable to God" (
Matthew 12:36) with man's self-willed opposition toward God as recorded in
2 Peter 2:9-10, (8) you disregard the Lord God Almighty declares to man his thoughts (
Amos 4:13), (9) you disregard the Lord God Almighty conveyed through the Apostle Paul about people who exalt the creature above the Grand Creator (
2 Thessalonians 2:11) which includes the free-willian philosophy, (10) you disregard the Lord God Almighty lovingly causes God's chosen persons to will according to God's Way, and God lovingly causes God's chosen persons to work joyfully according to God's Way (
Philippians 2:13), and (11) you disregard the Lord God Almighty is glorified with “
he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (The Word of God,
John 3:21).
In
post #91, we find your "
Having faith means nothing if you don’t make the choce to use it" contradicts Christ's sayings of “
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (
John 6:29) and “
you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (
John 15:16) and “
I chose you out of the world” (
John 15:19 Includes salvation).
In
post #95, we find your composition makes you sound like you believe that lost people are not lost. Everybody starts off as lost (
1 Corinthians 15:46). My Lord Jesus declares "
the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost" (
Matthew 18:11).
In
post #96, we find this is where you confusedly failed to associate "the Lord God Almighty declares man is accountable to God" (
Matthew 12:36) with fleshly man's self-willed opposition to God as recorded in
2 Peter 2:9-10.
In
post #104, we find both you and
@B-A-C ask for help in understanding
1 Timothy 2:3-4, so the Wisdom of God (
1 Corinthians 1:24) reveals that the Almighty God's desire is always satisfied, so
all men mentioned in
1 Timothy 2:3-4 Includes exclusively current and future believers in Christ. God is good to cause men to be saved by God’s grace for God's glory!
In
post #106, we find (1) you assigning failure atonement to Christ regarding
1 John 2:2, (2) you nullifying the sinners (
Romans 3:23) need for the Savior with your "
There is no reason for anyone to spend eternity in the lake of fire", (3) your previously proven false concept "
people refuse to choose the love of truth so they could be saved" regarding
2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 as proclaimed to you clear back in
post #83, (4) you regurgitate your adulteration of
Deuteronomy 30:19 to include free-will ability where free-will ability does not exist as shown way back in
post #78 and
post #83.
We Christians believe the Christ exclusively chooses persons unto salvation:
- "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
- "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
- "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.
The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for free-willians to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (
Proverbs 30:6).
We Christians are blessed of God to be chosen by Lord Jesus without exception because the Word of God says "
you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ,
John 15:16) and "
I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ,
John 15:19, includes salvation)!
Believe the Word of God!
Love,
Kermos
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