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The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

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People were heirs with Christ before the foundation of the world. When they were in Adam they were heirs, when they were born dead in sin, they were heirs with Christ. Christ existed before He was born.
All have to believe and obey Jesus to be an heir now.
 
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Abraham believed in Jesus and Jesus was before him Jn 8:56-58

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob were heirs of God and Joint Heirs with Christ. This they were before Christ came and died, and rose again.
I have already given you the scripture that says any heir who doesn't listen to Jesus will be cut off.
 
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Now by chance, if That evil servant just happens to read that portion of Scripture with “The Parakletos that is Living in That particular Servant, how do you think that EVIL Child of The LIVING GOD that has been Born of GOD who “Citizenship” is in Heaven would respond?:eyes:
They won't see it coming if they're truly evil, their own pride will have them blinded to this warning. Or, with a callous heart, they just don't care, and they reassure themselves with a false sense of security that it's talking about other people, not them.
 
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Now by chance, if That evil servant just happens to read that portion of Scripture with “The Parakletos that is Living in That particular Servant, how do you think that EVIL Child of The LIVING GOD that has been Born of GOD who “Citizenship” is in Heaven would respond?:eyes:
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
 
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Yes it has everything to do, and you’re denying it. If you think the OT is irrelevant, then in the gospel books, Jesus indicated multiple times that evil servants will be cast out into utter darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Not Pharisees, not pagan unbelievers, not atheists, not criminals, but his own servants.
Has nothing to do with the lambs book of life as stated, those names cannot be erased, they are heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, their names can be no more erased as Christs can.
 
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Jesus didn't shed his blood before he shed his blood. Your false teachers misunderstood something.
Jesus in the Mind and Purpose of God shed His Blood before the foundation Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God is Eternal, and He doesnt have to wait on something to occur in time, which He purposed before time, time is a non factor to God, so its written Rom 4:17


17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God called Abraham a Father before Abraham had any children, and was childless. Thats because he was a Father in Gods Mind and Purpose !
 
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God doesn't save people unless they believe and obey Jesus.
A lost person is dead and cannot obey, the only thing a lost person can obey is sin Rom 6:16


Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
 
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Has nothing to do with the lambs book of life as stated, those names cannot be erased, they are heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, their names can be no more erased as Christs can.
What’s the point of arguing about this endlessly? Of course God knows everything, past, present and future, what’s really important is what we know about it, it’s about our blessed assurance, to be certain that our names are written in that book and we’re ready to meet the Lord at any time. I’m talking in a practice sense, this kind of fatalistic attitude could hinder us from sharing the gospel with anybody and making positive changes against the status quo.
 
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Jesus in the Mind and Purpose of God shed His Blood before the foundation Rev 13:8

Jesus didn't get slain before he came to earth and was slain.

You misunderstand that scripture.

Here are easier to understand translations:


Revelation 13:8 NET Bible and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

New Heart English Bible All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been killed.

New American Standard 1977 And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

American Standard Version And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Darby Bible Translation and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.




There is no such thing as Jesus being slain twice.

Jesus died ONCE and for ALL.

It is the BOOK AND THE PLAN OF SALVATION that was written before the foundation of the world.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
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A lost person is dead and cannot obey, the only thing a lost person can obey is sin Rom 6:16


Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
That scripture proves you wrong.
 
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Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
I said and I am going to say it again, and be kind to you and I trying to live peacefully with you. Leave me alone evil one! You are dark and evil dis respectful, rude, And brutish dis regards all boundaries and filled with all kinds of The unruly. And it could be because of The Medication you are taking.

Or GOD is punishing you. :eyes: But you know, what you did. And it was bad.

And now you are in the field and eating grass.

You better Repent before it gets Worst.

Toes nails growing wild, fingernails curling backwards, hearing things going Bumb in the night seeing dark shadows blowing and walking behind your ears.:eyes:

You better “REPENT”. Before those”Nightmares” become “Daymares” when it is night you wish it was day, then day you wish it was night”
“REPENT”, those pills cannot save you what goes “Bumb” on The Night! Those sounds are not your imagination.

I warn you. Leave me alone.:worried: I cannot help you now.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
 
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They won't see it coming if they're truly evil, their own pride will have them blinded to this warning. Or, with a callous heart, they just don't care, and they reassure themselves with a false sense of security that it's talking about other people, not them.so
They won't see it coming if they're truly evil, their own pride will have them blinded to this warning. Or, with a callous heart, they just don't care, and they reassure themselves with a false sense of security that it's talking about other people, not them.
What I do believe, there are false converts running thinking and acting and believing they are real “Children of GOD” and quote Scripture everyday, preach teach, witness, pray in all forms but they are not The True “Born of GOD” I did not say “Born Again” I Said: “Born of GOD” and I am not playing word games!

Meaning Their citizenship is in “Heaven” and GOD in Whom I Believe is able to bring them
Home.
Able To Keep them by Himself and HE Will make Sure They Arrive Home. All by himself.

Now I know My [ours] GOD is Different From Many others, I got over 44 years to know this statement is TRUE: “My [our] FATHER who is in Heaven is not like The God of Many others.
My [our] Father Loves me, and Disciplines me hard and will not give me over to death.

I know him. :eyes: HE will tear that “behind Up”!

He will make That devil, look like a “Choir Boy”!:eyes:

Not only will GOD “my FATHER” kill me, He will bring me Back and kill me again a slow death and bring me back until I get the message.

You Straighten up!:worried:

Yes Sir! Now you know the word “sir” means “LORD”!:joy:

That is why these false “Coverts” do everything they want too! Their daddy do not Whip their as, I stay on the porch. I got some scars, “GOD” calls Them “REMINDERS”!:joy:

“For I am Holy, you will be Too”!:joy:

I had my own job, car when I was 21 years old and still came home on a Friday night by 11:00 .:joy:

Train up a child in the way it should go!
It didn’t say “Will go” it said: “Should go”!

GOD, if you are one of his, you going to Heaven!:eyes: You might be scarred up, wounded and worn out and “Hopping” on a cane.
But you going
:joy:

Grace, and I didn’t say “Gravy”!

Some of those preachers and Sunday school teachers and choir members tried to trick me.

Oh yes, they smooth,
Blinking their eyes at you, licking their tongues out. Telling you it is al right “Reverend “and Pastor is doing it!

Trying to get me in trouble, “Nobody will know” They think “GOD” blind. And he ain’t going to do nothing.:joy:

But I have Read the Book! All of it !

He might not get you!
But He, He is going Get me. I can tell him, I ain’t going to do it no more, but you see, He knows I am liar!:joy:

He is going to give me something to Remind me.:(

He let me know, He can do this all day long and He will not get Tired, and He can turn it up a little bit more.:joy:

Everybody see me, they say: He think he is better than everybody else”:joy:

Let GOD get A hold of you, people are going to think the same thing about you. “”GOD” does not mind putting you in a “Wheelchair” or in The Hospital.

And many, might think that is a Bad thing for them, but for the Child, of GOD, it might be just one of The Best thing that ever Happen to them.

You are going To Heaven!
If it takes “The Hospital” for you to get there, the Hospital here we come.
“We Are “HOLY” indicative.:pensive:
And we cannot tell the potter which process to bring each one there on The Path.

I am not going to debate a section of Scripture, that has been settled.

You name has Been Written.
 
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I said and I am going to say it again, and be kind to you and I trying to live peacefully with you. Leave me alone evil one! You are dark and evil dis respectful, rude, And brutish dis regards all boundaries and filled with all kinds of The unruly. And it could be because of The Medication you are taking.

Or GOD is punishing you. :eyes: But you know, what you did. And it was bad.

And now you are in the field and eating grass.

You better Repent before it gets Worst.

Toes nails growing wild, fingernails curling backwards, hearing things going Bumb in the night seeing dark shadows blowing and walking behind your ears.:eyes:

You better “REPENT”. Before those”Nightmares” become “Daymares” when it is night you wish it was day, then day you wish it was night”
“REPENT”, those pills cannot save you what goes “Bumb” on The Night! Those sounds are not your imagination.

I warn you. Leave me alone.:worried: I cannot help you now.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
It sounds like you have reason to be riled up.
 
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It sounds like you have reason to be riled up.
I guess you one of the ones when someones says no, you ignore them and date them
Anyway,

No means no! I do not want to be bother with you!

But you are evil and one of those who Strip Their clothes off anyway, be it woman child or man!

You refuse to take no as an answer. But you violate them anyway.
 
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I guess you one of the ones when someones says no, you ignore them and date them
Anyway,

No means no! I do not want to be bother with you!

But you are evil and one of those who Strip Their clothes off anyway, be it woman child or man!

You refuse to take no as an answer. But you violate them anyway.
It is obvious what you are and why you speak the way you do.
 
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2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Salvation was decided on for man before the world began!

2Ti 1:10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

The Gospel is what Jesus used to bring to light that reality (this information) to man.
Interesting comment.
 
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Jesus didn't get slain before he came to earth and was slain.

You misunderstand that scripture.

Here are easier to understand translations:


Revelation 13:8 NET Bible and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

New Heart English Bible All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been killed.

New American Standard 1977 And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

American Standard Version And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Darby Bible Translation and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.




There is no such thing as Jesus being slain twice.

Jesus died ONCE and for ALL.

It is the BOOK AND THE PLAN OF SALVATION that was written before the foundation of the world.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
That scripture proves you wrong.
It proves you wrong, before a person is saved, they are a servant of sin, a child of disobedience naturally. Eph 2:2

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

A child of disobedience cant obey.

All are imprisoned in disobedience by nature Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That word unbelief means also disobedience, man cannot obey until they are saved.
 
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It proves you wrong, before a person is saved, they are a servant of sin, a child of disobedience naturally. Eph 2:2

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

A child of disobedience cant obey.

All are imprisoned in disobedience by nature Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That word unbelief means also disobedience, man cannot obey until they are saved.
No such thing as God saving unbelievers. You will not ever find a scripture that says that, or where anybody in the Bible was saved while an unbeliever.
 
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No such thing as God saving unbelievers. You will not ever find a scripture that says that, or where anybody in the Bible was saved while an unbeliever.
Of course Jesus saves unbelievers, He saves sinners ! 1 Tim 1:13-15


13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

You sound ridiculous, Christ doesn’t save unbelievers!
 
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