Repentance ( Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? )

[Brightfame52]

gt

If a person wants to be saved then they have to confess and repent of their sins to Jesus.

Lol you putting the cart before the horse, only the saved can and does do those thins. A spiritually dead sinner cant do that, they dont even know God, Seek God, nor desire God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Lavenderfields

Sorry @Brightfame52 I value your posts but I do believe that God wants everyone to be saved but some do resist.

To be honest with you, that saddens me to hear that. Because what God wants, desires He does it Job 23:13-14

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

The word appointed here means destiny, God performs the destiny of each indvidual according to His sovereign will

God created each individual as either a vessel of wrath and fits them for destruction or a vessel of mercy and prepares them for Glory, He does what He desires, may He deliver your thinking, its influenced by false teaching.

 

[God's Truth]

gt



Lol you putting the cart before the horse, only the saved can and does do those thins. A spiritually dead sinner cant do that, they dont even know God, Seek God, nor desire God.

You don't know the scriptures.
The people coming to John and Jesus to be baptized DIDN'T have the Holy Spirit yet.

 

[*Lavender]

Lavenderfields



To be honest with you, that saddens me to hear that. Because what God wants, desires He does it Job 23:13-14

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

The word appointed here means destiny, God performs the destiny of each indvidual according to His sovereign will

God created each individual as either a vessel of wrath and fits them for destruction or a vessel of mercy and prepares them for Glory, He does what He desires, may He deliver your thinking, its influenced by false teaching.

@Brightfame52
I could discuss this with you more another time.
Although I may not use intellectual language and would like to avoid disagreements as being described to be false teachings.
The truth is within a relationship with Jesus and who has the perfect truth with the way God works.
I know Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and what is important.
With other things we can be humble to the truth and that takes a journey.

I can say " whatever whatever " not with what you say .Yet somethings on this forum are just overanalyzed and not seeing the peace of God, in simplicity.

There is much in knowing the compassionate nature of God. Much in the bible.
Such as:

And Jesus, when He came out, saw a great multitude and was moved with compassion for them, because they were like sheep not having a shepherd. So He began to teach them many things.Mark 6:34

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Matthew 23:37-39

God has no pleasure in the death of the Ezekiel 33:11

@GodB4Us
Please can you say who the crowd was in Mark 6:34. Who Jesus had compassion for.

On my other posts.
I was emphasising that no repentance can be true, unless that is through the Holy Spirit , of course through the Word of God, in the name of Jesus.
The Spirit of God needs to be truely within that because many say or do things in Jesus name and without the Holy Spirit of truth that is another Jesus.
Just like repentance in the religions, that do not have the Holy Spirit to pinpoint and involve Christ.

 

[*Lavender]

@Brightfame52
I appreciate some of what you say on this thread because people cannot save themselves . There are other aspects I don't agree with, as said.
I see a two way process ( humble response to God) and of course Jesus completed the work and salvation is grace and not the sinners work.

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us
Please can you say who the crowd was in Mark 6:34. Who Jesus had compassion for.

The crowd are the ones soon to be His sheep that did not have Him as their Shepherd yet until they get saved.

On my other posts.
I was emphasising that no repentance can be true, unless that is through the Holy Spirit , of course through the Word of God, in the name of Jesus.
The Spirit of God needs to be truely within that because many say or do things in Jesus name and without the Holy Spirit of truth that is another Jesus.
Just like repentance in the religions, that do not have the Holy Spirit to pinpoint and involve Christ.

This is where I apply what you say here about what discipleship is all about which is what running that race is about in bearing fruit as His disciples.

But they cannot be in that race nor live as His disciples until they are saved for why the only repentance being done at salvation is repenting from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved and that can only be done by the Father drawing us unto the Son in seeking the Son and thus revealing the Son to us so we can believe in Him to be saved, thus by the grace of God we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

The crowd are the ones soon to be His sheep that did not have Him as their Shepherd yet until they get saved.

lol JESUS came for the lost sheep of Israel. They were already sheep! When Jesus came to make a new covenant based on faith, he came for the Jews who already belonged to God by faith. They were already God's and now they had to go through Jesus to remain God's. The rest of the Jews who did not already belong to God by faith were cut off while Jesus had his earthly ministry, because not all Jews had faith and they were cut off and hardened while Jesus walked the earth. They would be the ones who would get Jesus crucified, as was the plan by God before the creation of anything.

This is where I apply what you say here about what discipleship is all about which is what running that race is about in bearing fruit as His disciples.

But they cannot be in that race nor live as His disciples until they are saved for why the only repentance being done at salvation is repenting from unbelief by believing in Him to be saved and that can only be done by the Father drawing us unto the Son in seeking the Son and thus revealing the Son to us so we can believe in Him to be saved, thus by the grace of God we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

gobbledygook

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Normalcy is what we see in these latter days now when saints are not on the run from the beast trying to kill them by the sword and by starvation because saints cannot buy & sell to survive during the great tribulation. And certainly when the world's armies are marching against Jerusalem, for when the King of kings comes, that certainly cannot be an event where that coming will be like a thief in the night at the end of the great tribulation.

So the time to be ready is now in these latter days where many are falling away from the faith because of seducing spirits & doctrines of devils in slain in the spirit phenomena, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings and even Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade where he announces the "Holy Spirit" falling on already saved believers to cause them to fall backwards in a loss of self control for these supposed miracles to happen.

Those who seek tongues for private use as a sign of receiving the Holy Spirit at salvation or "again" apart from salvation, do testify of how some will fall backwards in order to get that tongues of confusion that comes with no interpretation which God is not the author of. 1 Timothy 4:1 & Isaiah 8:19

So do not go to any places where they claim the Spirit of Christ is here or there because He is in you since salvation at the calling of the gospel & the Bridegroom will come at the rapture event to judge His House first because of this apostasy.

There's nothing normal these days. We must resist the green agenda, the vax mandate, transgenderism, critical race theories, etc. That's not being distracted by politics, that's obeying God rather than man, that's putting on the full armor of God and fighting against the spiritual darkness, that's about occupying or "doing business" till he returns. I'd love to be a nostalgic Laodicean, hiding in the sanctuary, shutting out all these noises and talking in Christianese all day, but that's not an option, the enemy's assault is getting more intense everyday and the room to retreat is getting smaller.

 

[GodB4Us]

There's nothing normal these days. We must resist the green agenda, the vax mandate, transgenderism, critical race theories, etc. That's not being distracted by politics, that's obeying God rather than man, that's putting on the full armor of God and fighting against the spiritual darkness, that's about occupying or "doing business" till he returns. I'd love to be a nostalgic Laodicean, hiding in the sanctuary, shutting out all these noises and talking in Christianese all day, but that's not an option, the enemy's assault is getting more intense everyday and the room to retreat is getting smaller.

Normalcy is referring to how we can buy and sell now and not on the run from being killed by the New World Order and the mark of the beast system.

Although I commend you for whatever the Lord leads you to do in standing up against the evils spreading across this nation, do not allow the devil place by having him get hold of your anger in not letting the sunb go down on your anger because Jesus is Lord.

Psalm 92:6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.

I find this Psalm below reassuring when we put our trust in the Lord in the midst of the storms in our lives and I have found that I needed His help to trust Him during my storms in life too.

Psalm 37:1Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the Lord upholdeth the righteous.
18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord: and he delighteth in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand.
25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28 For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33 The Lord will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34 Wait on the Lord, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
35 I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
39 But the salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
40 And the Lord shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.

 

[Brightfame52]

But by thirsting in their seeking, they have not come to & believe in Jesus Christ for salvation yet which means they are heading towards the new birth. If they were born again of the Spirit, they would not be thirsting any more nor hungering any more but are Spirit-filled at their salvation moment and always remain Spirit-filled as a testimony that God has saved them even though after salvation, some if not many in these latter days are not abiding in Him to be fruitful as His disciples. They can be when they look to Jesus Christ, the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin daily Hebrews 12:1-2 in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son. 1 John 1:3-9

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

But by thirsting for Spiritual things, it proves they are no longer in the natural, but are in the new spiritual creation. Only the new spiritual creation is able to believe in Christ.

If we have not been born again, we remain in the natural status and dont seek after God, dont even desire God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Brightfame52]

You don't know the scriptures.
The people coming to John and Jesus to be baptized DIDN'T have the Holy Spirit yet.

A spiritually dead sinner doesnt seek God, dont even desire God. How does a spiritually dead sinner, hear God, desire God, obey God, when he doesnt seek God ? Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

The people coming to John and Jesus to be baptized DIDN'T have the Holy Spirit yet.

They had been born again, spiritually prepared and made ready Lk 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

They believed on the name of the Lord because they were spiritually prepared, born of God Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Brightfame52
I could discuss this with you more another time.
Although I may not use intellectual language and would like to avoid disagreements as being described to be false teachings.
The truth is within a relationship with Jesus and who has the perfect truth with the way God works.
I know Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and what is important.
With other things we can be humble to the truth and that takes a journey.

I can say " whatever whatever " not with what you say .Yet somethings on this forum are just overanalyzed and not seeing the peace of God, in simplicity.

There is much in knowing the compassionate nature of God. Much in the bible.
Such as:

And Jesus, when He came out, saw a great multitude and was moved with compassion for them, because they were like sheep not having a shepherd. So He began to teach them many things.Mark 6:34

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Matthew 23:37-39

God has no pleasure in the death of the Ezekiel 33:11

@GodB4Us
Please can you say who the crowd was in Mark 6:34. Who Jesus had compassion for.

On my other posts.
I was emphasising that no repentance can be true, unless that is through the Holy Spirit , of course through the Word of God, in the name of Jesus.
The Spirit of God needs to be truely within that because many say or do things in Jesus name and without the Holy Spirit of truth that is another Jesus.
Just like repentance in the religions, that do not have the Holy Spirit to pinpoint and involve Christ.

Friend, no disrespect, but you have been influenced by false teaching, its my prayer and hope that God delivers you and cause you to understand Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

Until you understand this, I dont see any need to explain too much more at this time. May God bless you

 

[Brightfame52]

@Brightfame52
I appreciate some of what you say on this thread because people cannot save themselves . There are other aspects I don't agree with, as said.
I see a two way process ( humble response to God) and of course Jesus completed the work and salvation is grace and not the sinners work.

If you be one of Gods elect, Im confident He will establish you in truth ! Right now however, I see you are still struggling with some things.

 

[Brightfame52]

gt

lol JESUS came for the lost sheep of Israel. They were already sheep!

Thats true of all His Sheep, both jew and gentile. He was speaking to one of His Sheep when He made that statement. That was the Mystery hidden, that both jew and gentiles belonged to the spiritual house of Israel.

 

[God's Truth]

But by thirsting for Spiritual things, it proves they are no longer in the natural, but are in the new spiritual creation. Only the new spiritual creation is able to believe in Christ.

If we have not been born again, we remain in the natural status and dont seek after God, dont even desire God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

God seeks those who seek Him! Don't you know that?

 

[God's Truth]

A spiritually dead sinner doesnt seek God, dont even desire God. How does a spiritually dead sinner, hear God, desire God, obey God, when he doesnt seek God ? Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



They had been born again, spiritually prepared and made ready Lk 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

They believed on the name of the Lord because they were spiritually prepared, born of God Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

No, they were not born again yet. No one could be born again UNTIL AFTER JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND ASCENDED.

 

[God's Truth]

gt



Thats true of all His Sheep, both jew and gentile. He was speaking to one of His Sheep when He made that statement. That was the Mystery hidden, that both jew and gentiles belonged to the spiritual house of Israel.

No one is saved before they are saved. That is a Calvin teaching and it is false.

We are NOT saved before we believe and obey Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

@Brightfame52

What is God doing seeking ANYONE for if all are ONLY EVIL?


God seeks us.



John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.


Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve."



What is God doing searching our hearts if all are only evil? You were taught wrong. You can fix that if you want to.




Acts 1:24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen

Revelation 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.


1 Kings 8:39 then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with everyone according to all they do, since (for you alone know every human heart), you know their hearts.

 

[God's Truth]

@Brightfame52


We seek God.


1 Chronicles 28:9 "And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Isaiah 55:6 Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.

Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.


Matthew 7:7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Matthew 7:8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Acts 17:27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.


Your false teachers taught you wrong about no one EVER seeking God.

 

[Brightfame52]

God seeks those who seek Him! Don't you know that?

You have it backwards, God seeks first, then the ones He seeks are caused to seek Him. Man by nature doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

God is found by them that sought Him not Rom 10:20

But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

God sought them out !