Sure, you are. There's still but a little time to correct that.
Tick...tick...tick.
...that's yet more group-think i.e. prima facie evidence of denominational brainwashing.
I don't "debate" with the defenseless. Further, "debate" is a characteristic of the reprobate mind. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being full of...debate... (Romans 1).
...and since this thread has thankfully been brought to a near-halt by the Truth, alas, he will start yet another one, as that spirit empowering him has been wont to do.
The thief comes only but to steal and to kill and to destroy...
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (2 Thes. 2).
Demons can "heal" someone in the worldly sense. But it is a trick; it is one of those "lying wonders" - a lie that always comes back to bite.
Also note the above verse concerning unrighteousness. The more unrighteously one behaves, the more deception he is brought under - even as he is perishing. Witness this thread and all its clones, excreted here and elsewhere...
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
There are a number of things that you said that are so right.
Once saved always saved isn't even scriptural. We can see that with the life of Judas.
When the apostles went out to the towns Jesus gave them the authority over a demons and to heal people, after returning they were rejoicing and praising and talking about all the things that they were doing and Jesus told them don't rejoice in all those things that you have done but Rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
This is something that everybody likes to overlook when we talk about the one saved always saved and the life of Judas. Jesus stated that his name was written in heaven. And if you pay attention to that particular passage it names off all of the Apostles that had gone out to the towns and they make specific point of judas's full name of Judas Iscariot every time that they post the names of the Apostles.
I like to believe that Jesus is the author of the scripture so that there's no doubt that Jesus orchestrated the way the scripture is written and the fact that it is written in the scripture. So he's making a point to tell us that Judas was indeed someone whose name was written in heaven. But then Judas chose to make a choice. He chose to betray Jesus
Let us look at Peter. I think in many ways, that Peter's betreyal of Jesus was actually far greater than Judas's. With the one exception, that Peter returned to Jesus. Where Judas did not. Peter who was given the Knowledge by God the Father, that Jesus was the Messiah, still rejected Jesus.
So all the apostles had their names written in heaven, then after Judas chose to betray Jesus he threw it all away.
I believe that the story that Jesus gives about the man who says to the king but Lord I cast out demons in your name I healed people in your name, was actually Jesus talking about Judas.
Now there's something else that's also very important, it has to do with casting out of demons. You cannot cast out demons unless you are in the Lord and we see this in the scripture. Jesus tells us that demons cannot cast demons out. And we know that man cannot cast a demon out either you see this in the New Testament the only time that you can cast a demon out is through the Lord. So the person casting demons out they have to be in the Lord to do it there's no way to get around it. So for Judas to cast demons out and to heal people he had to have been in the Lord to do that. I understand that Jesus gave them the authority to do that but it's the same way with anyone who doesn't exorcisms or cast out demons God gives them Authority and they still cast them out. You cannot cast out a demon unless you are in Lord that's the plain and simple fact.
Simply put judas's name was written in heaven and he threw it away and he's condemned because of it. So the one saved always saved philosophy is not scriptural and the scripture proves it.
