Power in Hell?

[Dave M]

2 Corinthians 12:2-4
I know a man in Christ about fourteen years ago (whether he was in the body I cannot tell, or whether he was out of the body I cannot tell, God knows) who was taken up into the third heaven. 3 And I know the same man (whether in the body or out of the body I cannot tell, God knows), 4 how he was taken up into Paradise and heard words not to be spoken, which no man can utter.

According to this verse, no one has seen heaven and can speak about it. This probably applies for Hell also.

that was one of the versus I was talking about good find !! and those NDE talk about heaven and every little detail

 

[Sue D.]

Doesn't NDE signify Near death but not absolutely Dead or that person would Not be coming back to life here to tell about it?!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Near Death Experience is a man made phrase.

It is elaborated and speculated upon by humans in many ways.

So as man so often does we then try to apply the human concept to the Bible and wonder why it doesnt fit.


Why not look to the Bible first with regard to hell....what is written therein? It is our Lamp and our Guide.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Near Death Experience is a man made phrase.

It is elaborated and speculated upon by humans in many ways.

So as man so often does we then try to apply the human concept to the Bible and wonder why it doesnt fit.


Why not look to the Bible first with regard to hell....what is written therein? It is our Lamp and our Guide.

Amen.

 

[Sue D.]

Let's just Don't down-play what God has told us about hell and later on what the lake of fire and brimstone will be.

Those people have been given a peak at what it will be like for a reason.

NDE is definitely a man-made phrase and based on very real experiences.

Are people going to end up in the same situation as the rich man did in the account of the rich man and Lazarus. They had both died. The rich man and his brothers had the prophets to tell them the truth about hell and the one brother died and found out that it was really the way they had been hearing about. God's Word tells us all we need to know about hell -- are we willing to listen?

And those who've had a sneak look at heaven and come back -- obviously they were not completely dead or they would not have come back. Do we believe Them and believe that there really is an afterlife. Because there are lots of people who believe that once we die -- we cease to exist. That there is nothing left to wake up to -- no eternity.

Maybe those are the people who these experiences are meant for -- to share them with.

As for there being power in hell. There is no power there. God alone is all power. Satan / Lucifer was thrown out of heaven because he wasn't satisfied with all that God Had given him. Satan knows where he's going to end up Forever. Satan wants everyone to join him. Are we going to be dumb enough to follow?!

 

[Rockerduck]

1 Corinthians 2:9, NIV: "However, as it is written: 'What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived' -- the things God has prepared for those who love him--"

Another verse to show no one has seen or heard, or conceived of, about heaven.

 

[PloughBoy]

And, the “Rich man” and “Lazarus” and Jesus had The “OT” “script” that reflected these type of terms. Clearly.


Biblical terminology

In the King James Bible, the Old Testament term Sheol is translated as "Hell" 31 times, and it is translated as "the grave" 31 times. Sheol is also translated as "the pit" three times. Modern Bible translations typically render Sheol as "the grave", "the pit", or "death". Only food for thought.
And King David said this referring to “Hell”:


25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
(Acts 2: 25-27).
That English word “Hell” sometimes convey variances , would not you say

 

[Butch5]

Quick question.

Based on your understanding of the Bible will there be anyone ruling in hell or will it be a place of torment for all who
go there?

I ask because I have listened to many near death experiences or visions of hell online and in many accounts the individuals
share about being tortured by demons in hell, as if the demons are in hell ruling and getting pleasure out of torturing humans.

However I thought that the demons in hell are sent there for suffering not to be exercising power and getting pleasure from
whatever acts they may be able to do.

Or perhaps it is like prison here on earth. You have some prisoners who abuse other prisoners but all the prisoners are suffering.

What are your thoughts? Thanks.

You won't find that stuff in the Scriptures. When people die, they are dead.

 

[Sue D.]

@Butch5 -- That's not what Scripture says. For instance the rich man and Lazarus -- they are both in separate parts of Abrahams' bosom -- very alive and conscious.

The lake of fire and brimstone is for the non-repentant / those who've not accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior. the weeping , gnashing of teeth, etc. total darkness.

 

[Butch5]

@Butch5 -- That's not what Scripture says. For instance the rich man and Lazarus -- they are both in separate parts of Abrahams' bosom -- very alive and conscious.

The lake of fire and brimstone is for the non-repentant / those who've not accepted Jesus Christ as personal Savior. the weeping , gnashing of teeth, etc. total darkness.

It's a parable

 

[Sue D.]

And I suppose the info about the lake of fire and brimstone is Also a parable ?!

I sincerely hope that you don't end up there and discover that it Isn't just a parable.

 

[Butch5]

And I suppose the info about the lake of fire and brimstone is Also a parable ?!

I sincerely hope that you don't end up there and discover that it Isn't just a parable.

It depends on the context.

 

[Sue D.]

Please explain.

 

[Butch5]

Please explain.

You said, "And I suppose the info about the lake of fire and brimstone is Also a parable ?! "

I said it depends on the context. If the info is in a parable then it's a parable. If it isn't, it's not.

 

[Sue D.]

None of it is in a parable.

Besides a parable is explaining a heavenly subject in an earthly manner.

 

[Butch5]

None of it is in a parable.

Besides a parable is explaining a heavenly subject in an earthly manner.

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is of judgment against Israel. Notice who the parable is spoken to. It was spoken to the Pharisees.

14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. (Lk. 16:14-15 KJV)

Jesus isn't teaching the Pharisees, who don't believe in an after life, about an afterlife.

 

[Sue D.]

Okay -- so the Pharisees are being talked to. They were being taught about divorce and life after death.

You're contradicting yourself. First you say that it was spoken To the Pharisees and in the last sentence you're saying that Jesus Isn't talking to them.

Or are you trying to make a distinction between 'speaking to ' and teaching. In order To teach -- the teacher is speaking to the learner.

 

[Butch5]

Okay -- so the Pharisees are being talked to. They were being taught about divorce and life after death.

You're contradicting yourself. First you say that it was spoken To the Pharisees and in the last sentence you're saying that Jesus Isn't talking to them.

Or are you trying to make a distinction between 'speaking to ' and teaching. In order To teach -- the teacher is speaking to the learner.

There's no contradiction. Jesus isn't teaching them about an afterlife. They didnt believe in an afterlife. He's telling then about the judgment that is coming. Their judgment.

 

[Sue D.]

It is really the same thing. In telling them about the judgement that is coming -- He is teaching them.

 

[Butch5]

It is really the same thing. In telling them about the judgement that is coming -- He is teaching them.

The point is that the parable is about their judgment, not that dead people are alive.