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Power in Hell?

Sorry. Butch5
I only was referring to your “post # 89” only.

because I believe at certain points in “Holy Scripture” Jesus did use “Anthropomorphic words” in this case, the word “buxom” that Jesus used concerning “Lazarus“ denotes a place of safety, warmth, gentleness, a lamb in the arms of the shepherd, in comfort and perfect in Rest at the place in “Sheol” for the believer in Christ.
I believe no one have gone from this world to Heaven yet but Jesus. “Sorry for the miscue”
Your words seem to indicate a close relationship. That's what I believe is meant by being in Abraham's bosom. I don't believe it has to do with dead believers in Hades. I don't believe people will go to Heaven when they die.
 
Again -- you're free to believe what ever you want -- but it Would be good if you believed God's Word.

Born-again believers who die are with Jesus Christ and He is in heaven preparing a place for them / as well as the born-again believers who are alive Now.
 
All born-again believers who die are safe with Jesus Christ Now.
Not according to Paul. He said if there is no resurrection those who had died in Christ had perished. It seems the only hope Paul gives for the believer who dies is the resurrection.

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up-- if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. (1 Cor. 15:12-20 NKJ)
 
Again -- you're free to believe what ever you want -- but it Would be good if you believed God's Word.

Born-again believers who die are with Jesus Christ and He is in heaven preparing a place for them / as well as the born-again believers who are alive Now.
Again, not according to Paul. Are his words part of God's word?
 
Yes, but it's how they are Applied that makes the difference.

How about John 14: 1-6

You seem to be trying to use Scripture Against itself.
 
God doesn't decide who comes to Christ.

Romans 9:16 " So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."
Romans 9:18 " Therefore he has mercy on whom he wills, and whom he wills he hardens."
Ephesians 2:8 " For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." 9-Not of works lest any man should boast."
John 17:11 " ...............Holy Father keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are."

Only posted for edification and clarification.
 
Romans 9:16 " So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."
Romans 9:18 " Therefore he has mercy on whom he wills, and whom he wills he hardens."
Ephesians 2:8 " For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." 9-Not of works lest any man should boast."
John 17:11 " ...............Holy Father keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one as we are."

Only posted for edification and clarification.
If you look at those passages in context you'll find that none of them is talking about God choosong who gets saved. This is why I said proof texting is dangerous.
 
John 6:44 -No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
John 17:9 -I pray for them;I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me;for they are thine.
 
John 6:44 -No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.
John 17:9 -I pray for them;I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me;for they are thine.
Context. Can yoy please show from the context that that's what they're saying. I've had the Calvinist debates for over 10 years. I'm familiar with all of these passages. When they are read in context it becomes clear that they are not saying God chooses who gets saved.
 
Context. Can yoy please show from the context that that's what they're saying. I've had the Calvinist debates for over 10 years. I'm familiar with all of these passages. When they are read in context it becomes clear that they are not saying God chooses who gets saved.

Can you show us the passage context that makes you believe that it is up to anyone other than God?
 
Maybe More to the point is that God has all-knowledge as to who will or won't accept Christ as their personal Savior. WE are told to evangelize the 'lost'. To share the Gospel unto salvation to all who will listen. Some will accept , some Won't. God won't be saving anyone by accident or forgetting to save anyone. We are simply to follow His directions.

The person who has been a wonderful person all their lives -- doing all good things -- but does Not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will end up in hell and waiting for future lake of fire and brimstone. AND the person who has been evil all their lives , But at the last minute Does finally listen to Gospel unto salvation and accepts Him Will be with Jesus Christ and eventually the New Jerusalem for eternity.

If it were up to 'us' -- the wonderful good person would be in heaven and the horribly Bad person would be in hell.

Without God's salvation -- we'd All be in hell.
 
Can you show us the passage context that makes you believe that it is up to anyone other than God?
It's God who saves so unless He OK's it no one gets saved. The question is does He choose individuals to be saved. He has chosen to save those who will believe. So, in that sense God has chosen. However, He hasn't chosen who will be believe. There are quite a few passages that speak to the issue. One comes from the apostle John speaking of why Jesus came.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(Jn. 1:6-9 KJV)

In this passage John says that John the Baptist came as a witness to Jesus who was the light. In the Bible light is often a metaphor for understanding or illumination. John writes that all men through Him might believe. Then in verse 9 he gets specific. He says that Christ gives light or understanding to every man who comes into the world. He uses the singular for man. It means each individual man is given some understanding so that he might be saved. In verse 7 where John says, that all through Him might believe, he puts the Greek word Pisteuo, in the subjunctive mood and the active voice. The subjunctive mood indicates possibility or probability, but not certainty. The active voice indicates that the action of believing is being done by the subject, which in this case is all men. So, he's saying that all men have some understanding and that they might be saved. He's also saying that the believing is done by them not to them.

Another passage is from Paul's words. In Acts Paul tells us that certain Jews rejected salvation.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. (Acts 13:43-48 KJV)

Here Paul plainly states that these Jews rejected the word of God and they judged themselves unworthy of everlasting life.
 
Then who does the choosing according to your understanding?
People are presented with Gospel and choose to accept or reject it. This, however, is way off topic. If you want to discuss this subject we should start a new thread.
 
Maybe More to the point is that God has all-knowledge as to who will or won't accept Christ as their personal Savior. WE are told to evangelize the 'lost'. To share the Gospel unto salvation to all who will listen. Some will accept , some Won't. God won't be saving anyone by accident or forgetting to save anyone. We are simply to follow His directions.

The person who has been a wonderful person all their lives -- doing all good things -- but does Not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will end up in hell and waiting for future lake of fire and brimstone. AND the person who has been evil all their lives , But at the last minute Does finally listen to Gospel unto salvation and accepts Him Will be with Jesus Christ and eventually the New Jerusalem for eternity.

If it were up to 'us' -- the wonderful good person would be in heaven and the horribly Bad person would be in hell.

Without God's salvation -- we'd All be in hell.
Mental assent alone isn't getting anyone too far.
 
Maybe More to the point is that God has all-knowledge as to who will or won't accept Christ as their personal Savior.

Because he knows who he will give faith to believe and whom he will not for now. It's a free gift but not everybody gets the free gift during the first death. He is only concerned with the maturing of the first fruits for now.

The I chose to accept Jesus as my savior is nothing more than SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, you can do nothing more than say thank you for what he has given you if indeed he has
chosen you unto salvation in this first death.
 
It IS heart belief and confession unto salvation. Lots of people have head -knowledge but not Heart acceptance. God Wants relationship with us -- possible only through the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross / His death, burial and bodily resurrection. Our own acknowledging our personal need For it.
 
Because he knows who he will give faith to believe and whom he will not for now. It's a free gift but not everybody gets the free gift during the first death. He is only concerned with the maturing of the first fruits for now.

The I chose to accept Jesus as my savior is nothing more than SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, you can do nothing more than say thank you for what he has given you if indeed he has
chosen you unto salvation in this first death.


NOW is the time for salvation. During This life time. Once this physical body of ours dies -- the decision has been made.

When a person starts feeling the convicting power of the Holy Spirit -- they know they have a decision to make. Either accept or reject. I Also know that the Holy Spirit Won't give up on a person. That is Probably what is meant by being chosen by God. The person who is chosen will decide For God before their physical body dies.

God is the Only One who has that knowledge.

My accepting Jesus Christ as my personal Savior has nothing to do with self-righteousness. Self-righteousness would be me saying that "I'm such a good person that I Should be chosen" And, yes, I Did say thank you to God for providing for my salvation.
 
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