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Islam = A Hate Religion (Photos Inside)

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  1. On permission to lie from the koran (from the islam review website):

    Provisions for lying in Islam

    Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:

    • War is deception.
    • The necessities justify the forbidden.
    • If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
    These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
    In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:

    " Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
    "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225
    "Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
    The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
    These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.
    In the Hadith, Mohammed, emphasizes the same concept.
    From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:
    One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of God condone lying, except in these three situations:

    1. For reconciliation among people.
    2. In war.
    3. Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
    One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."
    Another says, "Aba Kahl, reconcile among people."(Meaning: even through lying.)
    The following quote demonstrates the broadness of situations in which the prophet permitted lying. "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
    The principle of Al-Takeyya

    The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:
    "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28
    According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him.
    Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

    • Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
    • Renounce belief in Allah.
    • Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
    • Utter insincere oaths.
    The implications of the principle of Al-Takeyya

    Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.
    In the sphere of international politics, the question is: Can Muslim countries be trusted to keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations? It is a known Islamic practice, that when Muslims are weak they can agree with most anything. Once they become strong, then they negate what they formerly vowed.
    The principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts. They carefully try to avoid, obscure, and omit mentioning any of the negative Islamic texts and teachings.
    An example of Islamic deception is that Muslim activists always quote the passages of the Quran from the early part of Mohammed's ministry while living in Mecca. These texts are peaceful and exemplify tolerance towards those that are not followers of Islam. All the while, they are fully aware that most of these passages were abrogated (cancelled and replaced) by passages that came after he migrated to Medina. The replacement verses reflect prejudice, intolerance, and endorse violence upon unbelievers
    In conclusion, it is imperative to understand, that Muslim leaders can use this loop-hole in their religion, to absolve them from any permanent commitment. It is also important to know that what Muslim activists say to spread Islam may not always be the whole truth. When dealing with Muslims, what they say is not the issue. The real issue is, what they actually mean in their hearts.
     
  2. abraham

    I do not believe in any religion but I do believe in my Lord Jesus christ. Religion was made by man and it cauze alot of people to divide from each other. Love is the answer to all the worldly problems. Islam is a aggressive religion and our lord jesus christ was a passive dude. He believe to share and care for each other. Religion is not what i stand for but the teaching of JC.





    Defuse the hate with love
     
  3. 1 Kings 18:22-40 Elijah said Seize them!! and he KILLED them ALL!! Our Country has freedom of any religion,notice the shape our Country is in because of it!! Be very glad I am not running this country!! Our only freedom comes from Jesus,and he is the ONLY GOD!! and what makes him this,is not only because of his Word, but because is is the ONLY LIVING GOD!! amen
     
  4. #144 RJ, Aug 23, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2010
    Its not a matter of hatred. Oh some will hate and that is their cross to bare. The fact of the matter, there are more common everyday Muslims that support this type of attitude you see in these pictures. This should be more referred to as Mohammedanism, this is the true Islam.

    Are some Mohammedanists more radical than others?.. For sure. But I understand this, for true Islam, Allah is the true God and Mohamed is his messenger! And, according to Mohamed anyone practicing any other faith is to be put to the sword, especially Christians, its history, it in the Koran, it's fact!

    I lived in the Middle-East for 2 yrs. and here are some facts:

    1. They are Legalists; they have no concept of Grace.
    2. They hate the Jews and hate us for supporting them. You won't find a world map in Saudi Arabia and Iran that doesn't have the country of Israel blackened out with a Marks-a-lot. They refuse the right for Israel to even exist.
    3. The Koran teaches to treat your enemy like a guest, feed them, give them a place to rest and then do away with them.
    4. Lying and deceit is a way of life because it is a means to and end in their legalistic minds.
    5. If you are in their country, and you are waiting in line for ANYTHING, you will be repeatedly be stepped in front of by a local Muslim. Why? Because in their eyes you are an Infidel and below them. They are taught this from early childhood.
    6. If you have some one run into you at an intersection because they ran a red light, it's your fault because you are an Infidel and should not have been in the intersection in the first place.

    These aren't lies, it's not hate, it is just facts.

    You won't see Chad's pictures in your Liberal Press but, good law abiding Americans that go to Tea Parties, will be called Racists, homophobic and now the the new name, coined by the Imam that wants to build the Mosque at "Ground-Zero... He calls those who appose this Mosque, Islama-phobes.

    I don't hate these Islamists. My family and I quite enjoyed our stay in their countries. We had a great time because we respected their culture and their way of life but we didn't believe in it or condone it. We had to sneak our Bibles into their country and worship in only in the privacy of our homes.

    Thanks be to our God and Jesus Christ who pulled us out from under Legalism and gave us the freedom of Grace.

    Mohamed was not a Savior, he was a Legalist and Muslims are perpetually stuck in Legalism and their extremist will continue to rule!
     
  5. Jesus Christ IS anything but passive! He is very active.
     
  6. "But I, when I am lifted up, will draw all men to myself." (Jn 12:32 NIV)

    God doesn't hate Muslims. We shouldn't hate them either.

    SLE
     
  7. GOD HATES!!!!! the CULT!!! as I do!! I lost many good people on 911,I do not HATE the people!! BUT YES!!! I DESPISE!!!! the CULT!! and what it represents!! THOU!!! MEANING ALL people!! shall HAVE NO!!!! OTHER GODS BEFORE!!!!! ME!!!!! Do not!! pawn this off on the stupid people,but I sure do DAM!!! the cult they are in! NEVER!! EVER!!!! Mistake my kindness for weakness!! I do not walk on eggs shells for a cult!! I CURSE there false god!! JESUS IS LORD!! If that offends you,TOUGH!! Do I feel strong about this brother? Yes i do!! You should know me well enough by now,I never hate people!, but those who practice such an ABOMINATION I would personally run in two with my Sword! Even as Elijah did 1 kings 18:40!! The reason our United States of Amercia is in such a bad way,is giving freedom to worship any!!! GOD! other then the ONLY GOD!! Jesus!! John 14:6 None have to agree,matters not to me!! I do fell very strongly about this though. Love the people who serve a false God? sure with this Hebrews 4:12 Isaiah 55:6 Seek the Lord while he may be found! call upon HIM while he is near! Rom 12:19-21 my favorite verse is verse 20 though!!
     
  8. Cult....

    Brighthouse
    According to the OT, this brought judgement. Worse, God turning his back to America. If the Lord does not keep the city, the Watchman watches in vain.

    Jesus Is Lord.
     
  9. That would depend on your timeline and who the original natives of this land worshipped. Native Americans had no choice of the religions that would occupy their land, they did not give freedom to anyone. The freedom of religion that exist today was built on blood and sweat for those who quote on quote was suffering religious prosecution. ( Yet had no problem inflicting pain or enslaving others despite they themselves once being victims and know what it is to live in fear)

    The reason why Modern day America is in a mess, has nothing to do with immigrants from Islamic, Hindu or any type of eastern religion who resides here. God gave us free will, so I see no difference if the Government also gives it's people free will ( to worship ). No one is above God.

    The reason why America is in such a bad way, well I can give a million reasons but not enough time. key note people do not mean everyone

    1. It's the modern Sodom and Gomorra
    2. People lack Hospitality
    3. People worship Idols ( not talking about religious figures, but material things, money, house, cars, success, being better than their neighbor.
    4. Self absorbed, ( me, me, me , me...give me, give me, give me, my rights, my rights, my rights, I , I , I , I, we the people, we the people, we the people, I'm a victim, I'm a victim, my freedom, my liberty )
    5. Vanity ( probably think this song is about you, you're so vain )
    6. Lack of humility
    7. Never satisfied
    8. KNowing what's best for the rest of the world and waste no time telling them what to do, and how to live. Because the American way is the only way, anything other than that is just close minded and primitive.
    9. Lack of emotional intelligence ( being able to sympathized, love and treat people who are different as equals, slavery may have ended, but a lot of our thinking stem from what was told by our older generation who were ignorant and didn't know how to love as God instructed us to. )
    10. They worship their idea of God, instead of worshiping God for who he is. They treat their relationship with God as prostitutes, they do tricks for God to give them favors.


    Reasons why people in Islamic countries dislike western culture and see them as evil.

    1. It promotes sexual immorality ( USA is the spoke person for sexual orientation and gay pride, if a country have laws stating Homosexuality is against the law..US activist attacks that country, in Hungary they were canceling the gay parade, until yes... voices from the US and canada spoke..and the parade took place against the locals. )
    2. It teaches women that they are equal or above men
    3. Teaches women to not respect her body
    4. Fear of westerners changing their high moral standards and way of living.
    5. Fear that the younger generation would forget traditional values


    Now every country has it's own type of evil. This is not a Christian nation, never was and never will be. History books will show you the hearts of those who built this country, and the blood and sweat it took to succeed.

    I have a solution.

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    King James Bible
    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


    When the church return to it's traditional values ( not traditional rituals ) and set the right example, then hopefully others will follow. People run from the church because of fear of condemnation.

    When we humble ourselves and realize we are all created equal, our differences are beliefs. Beliefs change which mean people can change.
    We can't be against the invasion of our own country and support the invasion of another. If we bleed they also bleed, we have serial killers they have them to, we cry when people die, they cry to. We are not superior to anyone because we are christians. That's the thinking of a tear raw wrist, to neglect the the freedom of another not caring if they suffer pain.


    As brother mike mention in a much earlier post, when you convert a muslim, they will be so devoted to God and discipline. They are less likely to search for bible verses to support their lifestyles, instead abide by the commandments.

    Nothing is wrong with posting news to bring awareness, our reaction to the news is were the problem can start.

    The world is the way it is because no one knows how to follow Jesus words

    Matthew 22:36-40

    36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
     
  10. #150 Brother Mike, Aug 24, 2010
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2010
    Wow!!!

    Rizen1

    I hate the doom and gloom over America message that Christians spew. I live by faith, and if there is breath, there is hope.

    However........................................................

    2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    FAlling away simply means to turn against truth, or Apostasy. Several of our Large Church denominations are doing just that. I am not talking about if you believe in tongues or not..... I am talking about blatant sin.

    Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and many more. Millions think it's OK to allow gay clergy to take the Pulpit. In AMERICA!!!!

    Here is a list of Gay friendly Churches in America.

    http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Church/united_states/united_states.htm

    Gay friendly is GOOD!!!!! Every Church should be gay friendly. However, this is a massive list of Churches that think being H-omo-sexual is OK.

    This is what is being taught, just a clip............. This is effecting a large number of Churches today.

    After reading Rizen1 Post several times, I can only conclude that she is right. America could be coming to a place where there are only a few REAL churches left.

    No wonder the Muslim responds the Way he does. His religion stays the same. It may be violent at times, but it's consistent and we know what to expect.

    In America, we have no idea what to expect. Homos****** Pastor anyone??



    Jesus Is Lord
     
  11. Just my take:
    All those negatives listed above can be applied to almost any people in the world. Many are those who have turned their backs on God and live like heathen in this nation. But there is a righteous seed that still prays, gives, reaches out and does His will. Add to that being the greatest nation in the world for launching evangelism (sowing good seed) and it is easy to see God is not finished with her yet.
    In my spirit I believe that things are going to go from kind of bad to flat horrible. I believe the Lord Himself is going to shake all that can be shaken until America again looks up in total dependence on Him. This is a great thing and I am believing to see a coming great awakening that I believe will dwarf all that have been seen before.
     

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