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Islam = A Hate Religion (Photos Inside)

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  1. If we are are to seperate the person from their beliefs and if we are to seperate theperson from their lifestyle and maybe from thier personality what do we have left? when a person makes a statement I am...... the whole universe hears, these are the most pwerful words in our language, for God is the great I am. So when aperson declares I am a Christian he or she is making a statement of who they are!
    This can no more be seperated from them then any other part of who they are! this is all part of the unity that is the core of our universe.
    God cannot hate any part of his creation, not you not I nor anyone nor any part of anyone. This may be a new understanding of God for many but it is an understadning that will create the unity for which our souls so desperatly long.
  2. You DO NOT understand!
    Not one thing we see on this Planet is , How JESUS CHRIST Created it!
    Everything here is defiled by Sin! It All messed up at best!

    God Only creates Perfect things, He does not create messed up things !

    2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    The earth and everything on it is dying!
    Sin has destroyed this planet and All on it!
    That is Why we Must be Made a new!

    2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    He started with those Willing???
    He ends making a new earth and new planets in our heavens!

    You can be part of the New and end up with the old??

    Your choice, Maybe you already , picked the way you want to go?

    Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    2Co 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

    Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
  3. Said by Gracealone

    You have made a very good and truthful observation. The trouble is that both Britain and America have become so Politically Correct, the truth has no way out. I believe that Christians have a duty to God to tell the truth, no matter how Politically and Socially In-Correct it may seem.
    Well done Gracealone.
    in light
  4. Spirit it is not that I dont understand it is that i have a new understanding. My understanding is that God has created this world and God is pleased with his creation. Now you or I may not be happy with what we see in this world. You and I may share a view of the world that is not how we wanted and this is the very point im tryng to make.
    2000 years of understanding of God has brought us to this point. Now if we are happy with this world that this understanding has brought to us then there is no reason to change our understanding of God. But if we are not happy ( and my reading of your post suggests to me that you are not happy either) with what we have created then maybe its time for anew understadning of God.
    Less seperation and more unity, less hatred more love, less judgement more understanding. These are the pathways to healing the calamatous world you describe in post.
    GOd bless
  5. The enemy of God is Satan who gathers the Lost called Islam, to fight against our Lord Jesus Christ. This is why Christians are persecuted in Muslim countries. No Christian is persecuted in Buddhist or Hindu lands.
    in light
  6. #126 SpiritLedEd, Aug 14, 2010
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    For info on what its like to be a Christian in Buddhist or Hindu lands, visit this website and check out the situation in India etc.:

  7. Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
    Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
    Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
    Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

    Isa 48:22 There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

    1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

    That is the same old new age drum beat that has been playing for centuries. Appeasing ungodly and hateful people caused a little squabble in Europe to develop into World War 2.
    The Lord God has a different view:
    2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
    2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
    As Christians we are to be salt and light to the lost. We are to speak the truth in love and never compromise when sharing Christ as the only way to God. Anything else is really hate speech as we would be knowingly condemning them by not sharing.
    We are to be in the world but never of the world. If we mix the truth of God (the Word of God) with the lies of those demonic religions then we would no longer posses the truth but only a lie.
    Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
    Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
    Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
    Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
    Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
    Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
    Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
    Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
  8. Johnpaul, you're definitely wrong, some Indians in small villages don't even know Christ because a lot of Christian missionaries get killed in India for talking about Christ.

    There are organizations, churches, pastors and books that talk about that.

    You might wanna check this out.

    GFA Home - Gospel for Asia

    God bless.
  9. Although Muslims are the number one source of martyrdom and slaughter millions world (especially Africa where genocide is no uncommon) wide Hindus and Buddhists are also responsible for killing Christians in some areas.
    One thing that makes the Muslims stick out head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to oppression and murder is this: there are 0 countries where the Muslims are the controlling group where tolerance and freedom of worship for others is tolerated.
  10. OK I stand corrected, as usual, but it is true that Christians are safer in these lands than they are in Muslim lands. Also, NO Bhuddist of Hindhu has ever suicide bombed Britain or the USA.
    Islam is predicated on a 'god' that hates his people and uses them to populate HELL.
    My God, Jesus Christ is the true God of love and light
    Please, don't be taken in by Islamic Taquia (lies to beguile infidels like you and me)
    in light
  11. #131 johnpaul, Aug 15, 2010
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    Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
    This for me is the only truth. Islam, Buddhism, Hindu, New Age are all not just wrong, but inherently EVIL.
    Jesus Christ is the ONLY way...
    in light
  12. #132 johnpaul, Aug 16, 2010
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  13. #133 SpiritLedEd, Aug 16, 2010
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    Christians who live in Hindu and Buddist lands face the same intense hatred and persecution as those who live in Muslim lands. Our enemy the devil has not limited his recruiting efforts to the Muslim world.

  14. Hindus and Buddists are NOT in our government and are Npot trying to take over the UNITED STATES
    mualims are!
    2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Meaning we come in peace!

    2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

    1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
    These things I preach , It has nothing to do with this site! I alone am preaching this!
    I alone take the responsible
  15. #135 Cherubpuff, Aug 17, 2010
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    If anyone is interested in summarized breakdowns of the satanic koran, and the outright plagiarism of the bible, please check out:

    Idiot's guide to Islam

    This man has done an outstanding job at dissecting every aspect, verse and utter lie the koran propagates.

    He has spent over 20 years studying the koran and hadiths and knows it better than all those who are sucked into the cult.


    The cowards at youtube closed his accounts and the videos (all 360+ of them) are no longer available. I'll repost when he gets them back up at another site or if he decides to make a new account.
  16. Such a strong statement as "Islam is a hate religion" should be backed up with some serious theological facts and.references, such as scripture from the Koran, not simply some propaganda photos. The things said on those signs probably don't represent what their faith is all about. It is just the same for christanity. - Are there not countless Christians carrying signs in the US that make you ashamed that they are representing your faith? Signs that make many americans say Christians are hateful.
  17. Not Reading The Posts

    Have you read Chad's posts, or other Senior Members on this forum? (not mine, I'm too junior) They have indeed quoted scripture and source materials. "Serious theological facts".
    Either you are not reading the posts and are making spurious assumptions or you do not care for the truth.
    Please ask yourself which one it is.
    This topic is a timely warning to all people that Satan is active in the world. We believe that Islam is one of the methods he uses.
    in the love of Jesus Christ
  18. I don't know about "countless" (that, I think, is exaggeration in the other direction), but, there are Christians who attempt to intimidate their opponents with noisy sign-waving demonstrations and nasty talk. A case in point is that group from Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas who go around picketing and trying to disrupt military funerals. They get a lot of publicity which reflects negatively on the church. They've been deceived into believing that they're doing God's will when the real hate spreader is Satan.

    Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
  19. I did not have the time to read through all the replies to this thread. I was responding to the initial statement that was made in this thread, which seemed to simply be a statement based on the images that were posted - and was not presented with any Islamic theological information.
  20. Islam is based on error and deciet. One does not have to llok farther than their own book of lies to see this demonstrated:
    The Koran unlike the Bible was written by one person. While some would quote earlier verses calling it a book of peace they are completely missinformed about the doctrine of abrogation in which a later verse supercededs and replaces the earlier. Please note that the latter verses (about Jihad, murder, etc) supercede the former using this principle. This does not even seek to permission to lie and etc also found in this unholy book:

    From the Miidle East Quarterly:

    by David Bukay
    Middle East Quarterly
    Fall 2007, pp. 3-11

    That there is no compulsion in Islam and that Islam is a religion of peace are common refrains among Muslim activists,[1] academics,[2] officials,[3] and journalists.[4] In an age of terrorism and violent jihad, nowhere, they argue, does the Qur'an allow Muslims to fight non-Muslims solely because they refuse to become Muslim.[5] Proponents of Islamic tolerance point to a number of Qur'anic verses which admonish violence and advocate peace, tolerance, and compromise.[6]

    But not all verses in the Qur'an have the same weight in assessment. Unlike the Old or New Testaments, the Qur'an is not organized by chronology but rather by size of chapters.[7] Even within chapters, chronology can be confused. In sura (chapter) 2, for example, God revealed verses 193, 216, and 217 to Muhammad shortly after he arrived in Medina. God only revealed verses 190, 191, and 192 six years later.[8] This complicates interpretation, all the more when some verses appear to contradict.
    Abrogation in the Qur'an

    The Qur'an is unique among sacred scriptures in accepting a doctrine of abrogation in which later pronouncements of the Prophet declare null and void his earlier pronouncements.[9] Four verses in the Qu'ran acknowledge or justify abrogation:

    * When we cancel a message, or throw it into oblivion, we replace it with one better or one similar. Do you not know that God has power over all things?[10]
    * When we replace a message with another, and God knows best what he reveals, they say: You have made it up. Yet, most of them do not know.[11]
    * God abrogates or confirms whatsoever he will, for he has with him the Book of the Books.[12]
    * If we pleased, we could take away what we have revealed to you. Then you will not find anyone to plead for it with us.[13]

    Rather than explain away inconsistencies in passages regulating the Muslim community, many jurists acknowledge the differences but accept that latter verses trump earlier verses.[14] Most scholars divide the Qur'an into verses revealed by Muhammad in Mecca when his community of followers was weak and more inclined to compromise, and those revealed in Medina, where Muhammad's strength grew.

    Classical scholars argued that anyone who studied the Qur'an without having mastered the doctrine of abrogation would be "deficient."[15] Those who do not accept abrogation fall outside the mainstream and, perhaps, even the religion itself. The Ahmadiyah sect, for example, today concentrated in Pakistan, consistently rejects abrogation because it undercuts the notion that the Qur'an is free from errors.[16] Many Muslims consider Ahmadis, who also see their founder as a prophet, to be apostates.

    Because the Qur'an is not organized chronologically, there has been a whole subset of theological study to determine which verses abrogate and which are abrogated. Muslim scholars base their understanding of theology not only upon the Qur'an but also upon hadiths, accounts of the Prophet Muhammad's life. One hadith in particular addresses abrogation. It cites Abu al-A‘la bin al-Shikhkhir, considered by theologians to be a reliable source of knowledge about the Prophet's life, as saying, that "the Messenger of God abrogated some of his commands by others, just as the Qur'an abrogates some part of it with the other."[17] Muhammad accepted that God would invalidate previous revelation, often making ordinances stricter.[18]

    Abrogation occurs not only within the Qur'an, but also by the Qur'an toward earlier revelations, such as those passed on by Jesus or Moses. Sura 2:106 refers to commandments sent to prophets before Muhammad.[19] ‘Abdullah Yusuf ‘Ali, commentator and translator of the Qur'an, interpreted the verse to mean that God's message is the same across time, but its form may differ according to the exigencies of time.[20] ‘Abd al-Majid Daryabadi, a Pakistani Qur'an commentator, suggested, however, that the laws might differ across time but that there should be no shame in the same lawgiver replacing temporary laws with permanent ones.[21]

    Also cause for discussion among scholars is the question of whether God withdrew revelations from the memory of Muhammad and his followers, causing such revelations to disappear like some of those mentioned in the Qur'an about which little is known today.[22]

    This leads to the classical theological dispute about whether such interpretations dilute the idea that the Qur'an is eternal.[23] Those who discount or downplay abrogation interpret the verses revealed by Muhammad in Mecca to address spirituality and see those revealed later in Medina not as abrogation but rather expanding context to understand the whole.[24]
    Abrogation in Classical Scholarship

    Muslim scholars in the classical period agreed about the principle of abrogation in the Qur'an. In the eleventh century, Abu Muhammad ‘Ali bin Ahmad bin Sa‘id Ibn Hazim (d. 1064), an Andalusian theologian, philosopher, historian, and jurist, examined the Qur'an chapter by chapter to show which verses supplanted other verses.[25]

    Classical scholars also examined the pattern in which Muhammad engaged in abrogation during revelation because Qur'anic laws were brief and insufficient for the needs of the huge Muslim community.[26] Muhammad changed his rules according to the circumstances. Within the hadith, there are a number of examples. Muhammad, for example, revealed verse 2:187 regulating sex during Ramadan after ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab questioned him.[27] Likewise, Muhammad abrogated another verse encouraging all believers to fight militarily for God (4:95) after he was challenged by a blind man who could not.[28]

    Abu Ja‘far Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari (d. 923), a Sunni famous as a historian, argued that "abrogation can only be done with regard to commands and prohibitions."[29] Debate continued over the following centuries, however, giving rise to the science of Asbab an-Nuzul (The reasons of revelations). The father of the field, Abu al-Hassan Ali bin Ahmad al-Wahidi an-Naisaburi (d. 1075), argued that understanding the reasons for revelations was crucial to resolve apparent inconsistencies.[30] Context underpins the field. Some revelations were, for a time, forgotten,[31] altered,[32] or eliminated by Satan's influence.[33] Scholars argue about whether God first revealed chapters 74 or 96.[34]

    Abu al-Kasim Hibat-Allah bin Salama (d. 1019) argued that the starting point of any investigation of the Qur'an is the science of abrogating and abrogated verses.[35] He identified four categories of abrogation: 43 chapters unaffected by abrogation;[36] six chapters that augmented the concept of abrogation but were themselves not abrogated;[37] 40 chapters with abrogated wording but authority intact;[38] and 25 chapters with both their wording and authority abrogated.[39] (See Table 1: Abrogation in Practice, below)

    Table 1: Abrogation in Practice
    Verse Abrogating Verse Abrogated Issue
    2:185 2:184 Fasting
    2:234 2:240 Divorced women
    2:285 2:284 Revelations
    3:85-6; 9:73 2:62; 2:256; 5:69 Tolerance - Ahl al-Kitab
    4:11-12 2:180; 2:240 Bequest-Inheritance
    5:90 2:219; 4:43 Wine drinking
    8:66 8:65 Fighting abilities
    9:29 2:109; 60:8-9 People of the Book
    9:36 2:217; 45:14 Prohibition of fighting
    22:52 53:19-23 Satan and his daughters
    24:2 4:15-7 Adultery and fornication
    33:50 33:52 Muhammad's wives
    58:13 58:12 Money for conferring
    64:16 3:102 Fear of God
    73:20 73:2-3 Night prayer

    Muhammad's ability to add or delete verses according to questions or contemporary issues also demonstrates the flexibility of the Qur'an.[40] Classical theologians accepted that Medinan chapters supersede Meccan, not only for chronological reasons, but also because the Medinan verses represent Islam during a period of strength.

    Still, there are internal debates about various manners of abrogation. Among Sunni theologians, there are disputes about whether sunna (the rules for life as shown by Muhammad, as opposed to the hadith which are prescripts traced to Muhammad through his conversations with other people) can abrogate the Qur'an. The Maliki and Hanafi schools suggest that the sunna and the Qur'an can abrogate each other while Shafi'is do not.[41] Ahmad bin Muhammad an-Nahhas, an Egyptian Shafi'i exegete, (d. circa 1515) catalogues the opinions:

    * The Kufans agree that the Qur'an may abrogate both the Qur'an and the sunna;
    * The Shafi‘i say that the Qur'an can only abrogate other passages of the Qur'an but disagree that the sunna can abrogate the Qur'an;
    * Others, according to Nahhas, argue that the sunna can abrogate both the Qur'an and the sunna;
    * While still others say that the sunna abrogates the sunna but not the Qur'an;
    * And a last set prefer not to set such rules but rather judge on a case-by-case basis.[42]

    The Egyptian theologian Abu al-Fadl ‘Abd ar-Rahman Jalal ad-Din as-Suyuti (d. 1505) related comments by Muhammad's cousin Ibn ‘Abbas who explained, "Sometimes the revelation used to descend on the Prophet during the night, and then he forgot it during daytime. Thus God sent down this verse [2:106]." Suyuti continued to cite one verse whose end abrogated its beginning.[43] In another case, a hadith abrogates the Qur'an. While the Qur'an talks only about scourging and exiling the adulterer;[44] Muhammad stoned some adulterers to death, establishing it as the penalty.[45] Here, though, Suyuti focuses not only on the abrogation itself but also on determining the wisdom behind it.[46]

    Contemporary theologians and populists have reopened the debate about the legitimacy of abrogation. Ali Dashti (1894-1982), a traditionally-trained Iranian scholar who served sporadically in parliament during the first half of the twentieth century, accepted the explanation that revelation of the Qur'an was linked to Muhammad's need to answer queries and his need to respond to random incidents.[47] He also suggested that abrogation implied human rather than divine provenance for the Qur'an.

    Ahmad von Denffer (1949-present), a convert to Islam who writes about religion, argues that understanding of abrogation is important to understand the correct application of God's laws and is among the most important preconditions for interpretation of the Qur'an.[48]

    Other Muslim commentators, however, are more dismissive about abrogation, citing verses—all Meccan—to argue that God's laws are immutable.[49] Many contemporary Islamic propagandists fear how abrogated verses might affect proselytizing. On one Islamist Internet site, one participant sought to refute the abrogation principle by attacking "corrupted interpretation" of two verses (2:106 and 16:101).[50] Muhammad Asad (1900-92), born Leopold Weiss—who converted from Judaism to Islam, after which he worked with the Pakistani theologian Muhammad Iqbal and later became Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations—argued that classical theologians misinterpreted passages relating to abrogation and cited another verse (10:64) to reinforce the idea of immutability. "In short," he argued, "the ‘doctrine of abrogation' has no basis in historical fact, and must be rejected."[51]
    Abrogation and Jihad

    How does the theological debate over abrogation impact contemporary policy formulation? While not all terrorism is rooted in Islam, the religion is an enabler for many. It is wrong to assume that more extreme interpretations of religion are illegitimate. Statements that there is no compulsion in religion and that jihad is primarily about internal struggle and not about holy war may receive applause in university lecture halls and diplomatic board rooms, but they misunderstand the importance of abrogation in Islamic theology. It is important to acknowledge that what university scholars believe, and what most Muslims—or more extreme Muslims—believe are two different things. For many Islamists and radical Muslims, abrogation is real and what the West calls terror is, indeed, just.

    During the lifetime of Muhammad, the Islamic community passed through three stages. In the beginning from 610 until 622, God commanded restraint. As the Muslims relocated to Medina (623-26), God permitted Muslims only to fight in a defensive war. However, in the last six years of Muhammad's life (626-32), God permitted Muslims to fight an aggressive war first against polytheists,[52] and later against monotheists like the Jews of Khaybar.[53] Once Muhammad was given permission to kill in the name of God, he instigated battle.

    Chapter 9 of the Qur'an, in English called "Ultimatum," is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation and jihad against unbelievers. It is the only chapter that does not begin "in the name of God, most benevolent, ever-merciful."[54] Commentators agree that Muhammad received this revelation in 631, the year before his death, when he had returned to Mecca and was at his strongest.[55] Muhammad bin Ismail al-Bukhari (810-70), compiler of one of the most authoritative collections of the hadith, said that "Ultimatum" was the last chapter revealed to Muhammad[56] although others suggest it might have been penultimate. Regardless, coming at or near the very end of Muhammad's life, "Ultimatum" trumps earlier revelations.

    Because this chapter contains violent passages, it abrogates previous peaceful content. Muhsin Khan, the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari, says God revealed "Ultimatum" in order to discard restraint and to command Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as against the People of the Book if they do not embrace Islam or until they pay religious taxes. So, at first aggressive fighting was forbidden; it later became permissible (2:190) and subsequently obligatory (9:5).[57] This "verse of the sword" abrogated, canceled, and replaced 124 verses that called for tolerance, compassion, and peace.[58]

    Suyuti said that everything in the Qur'an about forgiveness and peace is abrogated by verse 9:5, which orders Muslims to fight the unbelievers and to establish God's kingdom on earth.

    Prior to receiving "Ultimatum," Muhammad had reached agreements with various Arab tribes. But when God gave Muhammad a revelation (2:190-2), Muhammad felt justified in breaking his cease-fire. For Isma'il bin Kathir (1301-73), a student of Ibn Taymiyya and an influential Qur'an interpreter in his own right, it is clear: As jihad involves death and the killing of men, God draws attention to the fact that disbelief, polytheism, and avoidance of God's path as shown by the Qur'an are worse than killing them.[59] This creates license for future generations of Muslims to kill non-Muslims solely on the basis of their refusal to accept Islam.

    According to Ibn Kathir in his commentary on Chapter 9:5, Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first caliph, used this and other verses to validate fighting anyone who either did not pay religious taxes to the Muslims or convert to Islam. Ibn ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, one of the hadith transmitters, quoted Muhammad as saying, "I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except God and that Muhammad is the Messenger of God." He testified that Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim, an authentic transmitter of hadiths, said that the verse of the sword "abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolater, every treaty, and every term." ‘Awfi cited Ibn ‘Abbas, who argued that "Ultimatum" obviated earlier peace treaties.[60] The Shafi‘i school took this as a justification for killing anyone who abandoned prayer and for fighting anyone who refused to pay increased religious minority taxes.[61]

    Such interpretations resonate. Muhammad Sa‘id Ramadan al-Buti, a contemporary Al-Azhar University scholar, wrote that "the verse (9:5) does not leave any room in the mind to conjecture about what is called defensive war. This verse asserts that holy war, which is demanded in Islamic law, is not a defensive war because it could legitimately be an offensive war. That is the apex and most honorable of all holy wars. Its goal is the exaltation of the word of God, the construction of Islamic society, and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth regardless of the means. It is legal to carry on an offensive holy war."[62]

    Defensive warfare in Islam is nothing but a phase of the Islamic mission that the Prophet practiced. After that, it was followed by another phase, that is, calling all people to embrace Islam. Even for People of the Book, there can be no role except conversion to Islam or subjugation to Muslim rule. Hence, Muhammad's statement, "They would not invade you, but you invade them."[63]
    Modern Revisionism of Jihad

    David Powers, a well-known researcher of classical Islam, agreed that 9:5 abrogates no less than 124 verses that command or imply anything less than a total offensive against the non-believers. However, he says the verse is itself considered to be abrogated by the conditional clause with which it concludes: "But if they repent and perform the prayer and pay the alms, then let them go their way."[64] But such a condition is not magnanimous: When infidels repent and perform the Muslim prayer and pay alms, it means they have become Muslims. Once they are Muslims, there is no need to slay them. The clause thus becomes more coercive than conditional. It suggests than a non-Muslim must convert to Islam or be slain.

    Still, no verse is more frequently cited by contemporary Muslims preachers and analysts to depict Islam as peaceful and compassionate as 2:256, "Let there be no compulsion in religion." For Sheikh Abdur Rahman, the chief justice of Pakistan, this verse is one of the most important, containing a charter of freedom of conscience unparalleled in the religious annals of mankind.[65]

    Muhammad offered this verse in his first year of residence in Medina when he needed the Jews' support. Nahhas, with the authority of Ibn ‘Abbas, said: "Scholars differed concerning 2:256. Some said it has been abrogated by 9:73 for the Prophet compelled the Arabs to embrace Islam and fight those that had no alternative but to surrender to Islam. Other scholars said that 2:256 had not been abrogated concerning the People of the Book. It is only the infidels who are compelled to embrace Islam."[66] Suyuti does not see 2:256 abrogated by 9:73 but rather interprets 9:73 as a case of postponing the fight until Muslims become strong. He argues that when Muslims were weak, God commanded them to be patient.[67]

    This is also the case of sura 9:29, which deals with Jews and Christians. Fighting them is mentioned after the clarification regarding fighting the idolaters (9:5). This verse (9:29) was revealed when Muhammad was commanded to fight the Byzantines and prepared the expedition to Tabuk. Ibn Kathir declared: The order is to fight the People of the Book until they pay the jizyah (protection tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad because all prophets commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him even though he is the "mightiest of all messengers because it suits their desires and lusts, and because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all prophets."

    Ibn Kathir continues: "This honorable verse was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book. After the pagans were defeated, the people entered God's religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims' control."[68]

    The issue of abrogation in Islam is critical to understanding both jihad and da'wa, the propagation of Islam. Some Muslims may preach tolerance and argue that jihad refers only to an internal, peaceful struggle to better oneself. Western commentators can convince themselves that such teachings are correct. However, for learned Muslim scholars and populist leaders, such notions are or should be risible. They recognize that, in practice, there is compulsion in Islam. They take seriously the notion that the Qur'an teaches not just tolerance among religions, but tolerance among religions on the terms of Islam. To understand the challenge of the current Islamist revival, it is crucial for non-Muslims and moderate Muslims alike to recognize that interpretation of Islamic doctrine can have two faces, and that the Medinan face may very well continue to overshadow the Meccan face for a major portion, if not the majority, of contemporary Muslims.

    David Bukay is a lecturer in the school of political science at the University of Haifa.

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    [64] David S. Powers, "The Exegetical Genre nasikh al-Qur'an was mansukhuhu wa-mansukhuhu," in Approaches to the History of the Interpretation of the Qur'an, Andrew Rippin, ed. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1988), pp. 130-1.
    [65] Sheikh Abdur Rahman, Punishment of Apostasy in Islam (Lahore: Institute of Islamic Culture, 1972), pp. 16, 18-9.
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    [67] Suyuti, Itqan fi ‘Ulum al-Qur'an, pp. 25-6.
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