Have you been Baptized?

[BroTan]

Nope, you blew it right there. Adam did not cause the lake of fire...I thought you knew Scripture?

Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

God made the lake of fire, and NOT for human beings...but those who follow after satan will spend eternity with him...



Nope...only satan and the demons were. Please provide a passage that tells us that the whole creation was heading for the lake of fire. you cannot...because there isn't one.



That is besides the point. God knew what would happen before He ever created anything, and He made His plan of the ages and the plan of redemption and was already prepared before He created. Your "point" is moot.



Yes, but since you conveniently left out the part that destroys your hypothesis, here it is in its wholeness:

Romans 5:12-14
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned--
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

Death spread to all mankind NOT because of Adam, but because every person ever born has sinned at least once in their lives. Care to try again?




Actually, let's stop right there and get what the Greek actually says in this verse:

I Cor. 15:22*
Because just as in Adam all are dead, in the same way also, those who are in Christ will be made alive.

Two points here from the Greek: apothnesko ("are dead") is in the present tense, active voice. Present tense meaning that they are dead right now; the active voice means that they killed themselves - Adam had nothing to do with their death. And, BTW, in context here, Paul is addressing spiritual death, not physical death.




No. Adam brought spiritual death because God told him that the day he disobeyed Him, he would die. We know that God speaks of spiritual death and not physical death, because then later He says...

Genesis 3:22
Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--"

Man was not created to be immortal, only our spirits are immortal. Continuing...



Yes, that is what I said earlier...God knew what would happen and He had already made the plan to deal with it. You still have not come to a valid point yet...

OOPS!!! I wills stop here...I just realized that you were addressing Rhema, not me. Sorry!

Nope...only satan and the demons were. Please provide a passage that tells us that the whole creation was heading for the lake of fire. you cannot...because there isn't one.

You have to take time and read the book and pray for understanding, let's go back to Romans 5: 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


The book is telling you that sin reign unto death upon all men to condemnation, this is the first and second death, it also says the Jesus christ brought grace and eternal life. All the prophets and righteous people from Genesis to Malachi would had went into the lake of fire. The point that you do not understand is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws.

Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation). Let's go into Revelation 21: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Is that right? Because the Bible say is John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

Both, silly!!! Back in 1942 I Was Born FLESH, and subsequently in the Spring of 1963, I was Born Again by FAITH (gifted by God), and indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

Next Question??

 

[Shaolin]

Sorry..
Are You?

Yes God gave us His Son, so He could get I inside every BELIEVER .

Hope you are a Believer.
When you die, God looks inside you and sees Jesus's Righteousness , Holiness and Perfection...not YOURS.

He goes through a final process of separation: the Goats to the left ,the Sheep to the right.

The Goats are the Un-believers.
The Sheep are the Believers.

The Goats go to Hell and the Sheep go to Heaven.
Hope to see you in Heaven!

While you refer to Mat. 25:31-46 you have no idea what you are talking about. It wasn't believers alone that are the sheep, BA...it was believers who walked in obedience to the law of Christ and loved on others. And, you have it jacked up regarding the goats too...they were also believers, but believers who failed to love on others.

apparently you need to go back to seminary. I would pick one that is NOT calvinist.

 

[Shaolin]

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)​

No, brother, there is not.

Rhema

Sigh...when we take all of the Scriptures together, topically, that address the issue...there are those whom God specifically calls into one of the five-fold ministry (Eph. 4:11-14), which Scripture demonstrates over and over again (1 Cor. 12:28 and others).

If you did not receive a direct call from God into one of those five-fold church offices, then you were not called, period. James also tells you that if you have not been called to teach, then you had better stop teaching, because you will receive greater condemnation if you are teaching false doctrine. That is a general statement, I don't mean "you" you.

Blessings

 

[Shaolin]

You have to take time and read the book and pray for understanding,

I am a theologian, I know what I have to do and what needs to be done, more than you do. thank you.

let's go back to Romans 5: 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 that as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Nice, but you don't understand Biblical hermeneutics, obviously. The context starts in verse 12, and everything following verse 12 down through verse 21 is lead and informed by verse 12. Your understanding is flawed because you don't know the Scriptures nor how to properly and correctly interpret them. Adam's sin did not cause you to be a sinner, you are a sinner because YOU sinned. Read verse 12 over and over again until you get that...

The book is telling you that sin reign unto death upon all men to condemnation, this is the first and second death,

Negative. Rom. 5:18 according to the Greek says this:

Romans 5:18*
Therefore, just as by means of one trespass all men were led into condemnation; so also, through one righteous act, justification that leads to life is proclaimed to all men.

What that means is that because we all have a sin nature because of Adam's sin, we have all sinned because the sin nature leads us to commit sin. You are not condemned because of Adam's sin, Scripture teaches against that calvinistic heresy here...

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Adam is our father in that he was the very first man and we all come from his loins - God says (NOT the false teachings of men) that you have not incurred Adam's sin. You will die because of your own sin. Now that you have been told the truth on the matter, you can no longer blame Adam for your sins.

it also says the Jesus christ brought grace and eternal life.

Actually, that is NOT what it says. Go back and read the OT; grace is present there just as much as it is in the NT. If you can't see that, something's wrong "upstairs." Christ did bring eternal life, but not in the way your calvinistic mind sees it. The eternal life that Christ brought is a new covenant relationship with God so that you can enter into God's presence and engage Him in personal relationship, so that you can go to heaven...

John 17:3*
And this is the purpose for eternal life: so that they can come to know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

This is what Jesus came to provide...a way for us to be able to enter into God's presence (the atonement), so that we can engage Him in personal relationship and come to know Him...because even if you get saved from sin but fail to spend time with God and get to know Him, you will still end up in eternal fire...

Matthew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

I don't have time to go through all of your misgivings, I will have to end this post here.

 

[Shaolin]

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant,

This is another common error coming out of calvinism. The New Covenant began at Christ's baptism by John, NOT at the cross. The NC was initiated at His baptism, and then He ratified it at the last supper when He gave the disciples the cup representative of His blood that was to be spilled, and the bread representative of His body that would be broken - neither of which had taken place yet. When they drank of the cup, the New Covenant was ratified, which can easily be researched in theological papers dealing with ANE covenants.

Blessings!

 

[Rhema]

You speak as if you're not reading it for yourself. Paul says...

And yet another person who uses the words of Paul to invalidate the teachings of Jesus.

Amazing,
Rhema

 

[Shaolin]

And yet another person who uses the words of Paul to invalidate the teachings of Jesus.

Amazing,
Rhema

There are a number of people who believe Paul's teachings are only for the gentile believers today, and invalidate not only what Jesus taught (which is what Paul taught), but also John, Peter, and the rest of the NT writers. Complete deception!

 

[BroTan]

I am a theologian, I know what I have to do and what needs to be done, more than you do. thank you.



Nice, but you don't understand Biblical hermeneutics, obviously. The context starts in verse 12, and everything following verse 12 down through verse 21 is lead and informed by verse 12. Your understanding is flawed because you don't know the Scriptures nor how to properly and correctly interpret them. Adam's sin did not cause you to be a sinner, you are a sinner because YOU sinned. Read verse 12 over and over again until you get that...



Negative. Rom. 5:18 according to the Greek says this:

Romans 5:18*
Therefore, just as by means of one trespass all men were led into condemnation; so also, through one righteous act, justification that leads to life is proclaimed to all men.

What that means is that because we all have a sin nature because of Adam's sin, we have all sinned because the sin nature leads us to commit sin. You are not condemned because of Adam's sin, Scripture teaches against that calvinistic heresy here...

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Adam is our father in that he was the very first man and we all come from his loins - God says (NOT the false teachings of men) that you have not incurred Adam's sin. You will die because of your own sin. Now that you have been told the truth on the matter, you can no longer blame Adam for your sins.




Actually, that is NOT what it says. Go back and read the OT; grace is present there just as much as it is in the NT. If you can't see that, something's wrong "upstairs." Christ did bring eternal life, but not in the way your calvinistic mind sees it. The eternal life that Christ brought is a new covenant relationship with God so that you can enter into God's presence and engage Him in personal relationship, so that you can go to heaven...

John 17:3*
And this is the purpose for eternal life: so that they can come to know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

This is what Jesus came to provide...a way for us to be able to enter into God's presence (the atonement), so that we can engage Him in personal relationship and come to know Him...because even if you get saved from sin but fail to spend time with God and get to know Him, you will still end up in eternal fire...

Matthew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

I don't have time to go through all of your misgivings, I will have to end this post here.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[Shaolin]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved.

Yes, that's what I said...

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

Yes. We are agreed on these points...but which have nothing to do with what you were saying before...

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death.

Now we are getting back to the point...and you are wrong. No one today, or EVER, was "locked under death by Adam's sin." Did you completely ignore Eze. 18:20? Sure looks like it.

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose.

Nope. No where in Scripture is Jesus called the tree of life...where do you get that nonsense from (besides your carnal mind)?

That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

You are sorely in need of some real lessons...that is not what Grace is. Grace is God's love in action towards humanity...it has nothing to do with the tree of life that only exists now in heaven (Rev. 22:2).

 

[BroTan]

Yes, that's what I said...




Yes. We are agreed on these points...but which have nothing to do with what you were saying before...



Now we are getting back to the point...and you are wrong. No one today, or EVER, was "locked under death by Adam's sin." Did you completely ignore Eze. 18:20? Sure looks like it.



Nope. No where in Scripture is Jesus called the tree of life...where do you get that nonsense from (besides your carnal mind)?



You are sorely in need of some real lessons...that is not what Grace is. Grace is God's love in action towards humanity...it has nothing to do with the tree of life that only exists now in heaven (Rev. 22:2).

After the sin of Adam the Lord said in Genesis 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. That tree of Life is Jesus, but let's go further in Revelation 2: 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. We just read where that paradise was in the beginning, but let's move a little further in Revelation 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Again that tree of life is Jesus, but after Adam sin at first we see that the tree of life was block from us, but now since Jesus came and died we come up under the blood of Jesus and have a chance for eternal life, by keeping his Commandments, statues and Judements which are ordain to life.

But Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Stop assuming that I don't know what I'm saying, because a true man of God will ask question and or pray to God, then to say the thing you saying. The word of God speaks for itself from Genesis to Revelation and that's a fact all by itself.

 

[Shaolin]

After the sin of Adam the Lord said in Genesis 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. That tree of Life is Jesus,

You don't understand plain English very well, do you? No where in Scripture is Jesus ever said to be equated with the tree of life. So...AGAIN...if you think you have a Scripture that says otherwise, please present it. So far, all you have done is demonstrate that (yes) you don't know what you are talking about.

but let's go further in Revelation 2: 7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. We just read where that paradise was in the beginning, but let's move a little further in Revelation 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Again that tree of life is Jesus,

Nope, and you are breaking a multitude of Biblical principles of interpretation in your carnal reasoning here. The tree of life, and Jesus Christ, are NOT the same thing...and quite frankly, to say that they are, borders on schizophrenia.

but after Adam sin at first we see that the tree of life was block from us, but now since Jesus came and died we come up under the blood of Jesus and have a chance for eternal life, by keeping his Commandments, statues and Judements which are ordain to life.

Nope...this is the same nonsense that you claimed when we first met back three years ago. Evidently you are nothing more than a bias defender, and not a truth seeker. The only commandments that we are to follow today, are the two commandments of the New Covenant, which I have quoted to you ad nauseam. In order to make a cake, you have to use all of the right ingredients; the same can be said of many things, including making it to heaven. When we take all of the Scriptures together, what we find is that we must be saved by choosing to believe in Christ, repent from living a lifestyle of sinful behavior, and receiving water baptism into Christ. Then we must walk in obedience to the law of Christ (NOT the Law of Moses), love God, and spend time with Him in order to get to know Him...because if you don't know Him, you will NOT enter into heaven, even if you have done all of the other things.

Guess why? Because ALL of the other things are ONLY so that you can enter into His very presence, so that you can engage Him in personal relationship. Its not what you do, it's who you know.

But Paul said in

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Yes, he did...and you demonstrate on almost every post you post that you don't take his word of advice. You are STILL a bias defender, defending your bias even thought it is wrong.

Stop assuming that I don't know what I'm saying,

I do not assume, brotan...what you say demonstrates that fact...again...in practically every post.

because a true man of God will ask question and or pray to God, then to say the thing you saying. The word of God speaks for itself from Genesis to Revelation and that's a fact all by itself.

Yes, it does...but again, that has absolutely NO bearing when you read into the Scriptures your own carnal mind rather than taking what the Word of God actually says. We are not so much talking about what Scripture says here, we are talking about how you twist the Scriptures in your mind to make it mean what YOU want it to mean, not what it actually teaches.

For clarification: no where in Scripture do we read that Jesus and the tree of life are the same thing. No where.

 

[BroTan]

You don't understand plain English very well, do you? No where in Scripture is Jesus ever said to be equated with the tree of life. So...AGAIN...if you think you have a Scripture that says otherwise, please present it. So far, all you have done is demonstrate that (yes) you don't know what you are talking about.



Nope, and you are breaking a multitude of Biblical principles of interpretation in your carnal reasoning here. The tree of life, and Jesus Christ, are NOT the same thing...and quite frankly, to say that they are, borders on schizophrenia.



Nope...this is the same nonsense that you claimed when we first met back three years ago. Evidently you are nothing more than a bias defender, and not a truth seeker. The only commandments that we are to follow today, are the two commandments of the New Covenant, which I have quoted to you ad nauseam. In order to make a cake, you have to use all of the right ingredients; the same can be said of many things, including making it to heaven. When we take all of the Scriptures together, what we find is that we must be saved by choosing to believe in Christ, repent from living a lifestyle of sinful behavior, and receiving water baptism into Christ. Then we must walk in obedience to the law of Christ (NOT the Law of Moses), love God, and spend time with Him in order to get to know Him...because if you don't know Him, you will NOT enter into heaven, even if you have done all of the other things.

Guess why? Because ALL of the other things are ONLY so that you can enter into His very presence, so that you can engage Him in personal relationship. Its not what you do, it's who you know.



Yes, he did...and you demonstrate on almost every post you post that you don't take his word of advice. You are STILL a bias defender, defending your bias even thought it is wrong.



I do not assume, brotan...what you say demonstrates that fact...again...in practically every post.



Yes, it does...but again, that has absolutely NO bearing when you read into the Scriptures your own carnal mind rather than taking what the Word of God actually says. We are not so much talking about what Scripture says here, we are talking about how you twist the Scriptures in your mind to make it mean what YOU want it to mean, not what it actually teaches.

For clarification: no where in Scripture do we read that Jesus and the tree of life are the same thing. No where.

You don't understand plain English very well, do you? No where in Scripture is Jesus ever said to be equated with the tree of life. So...AGAIN...if you think you have a Scripture that says otherwise, please present it. So far, all you have done is demonstrate that (yes) you don't know what you are talking about.

For clarification: no where in Scripture do we read that Jesus and the tree of life are the same thing. No where.

After seeing how you communicate and fellowship with me, I don't see the spirit of God in you, so I'll leave this conversation right here. When a person bucket is to full of water, then I know theirs no room for clean water in there. You been taught a doctrinal system way of thinking and understanding, and you believe that's the way, the only system to believe is written in the book. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28: 9, 10). Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction. This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen).
It's sad when one believe so hardly on his or her way and fail to do the will of God thinking they have the spirit of God on them. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. (John 7: 16, 17). You should have known who the tree of life is, this is basic knowledge according to the word of God.




peace in Jesus name

 

[Shaolin]

After seeing how you communicate and fellowship with me,

Actually, there has been no fellowshipping...truth cannot fellowship with what is false (not speaking of you directly, but concerning what you believe and tell others).

I don't see the spirit of God in you, so I'll leave this conversation right here.

Yes...and, indeed, making judgment calls like you just did would make John the Baptist out to be a vile sinner too. Those in spiritual authority under God are mandated to try to bring the wayward back to truth (ye brood of vipers), but the vipers consider that to be monstrously rude...because of their religiosity that they are bound up within.

When a person bucket is to full of water, then I know theirs no room for clean water in there.

LOL!!! I have news for you, while my bucket is not full, it is closer to the top than yours is! As usual, the one who makes such a claim is usually condemned by his own words...

You been taught a doctrinal system way of thinking and understanding, and you believe that's the way, the only system to believe is written in the book.

Wrong again, padowan. I was taught a doctrinal system, like we all are in the beginning of our spiritual walk...and then when I became a teenager and began thinking for myself, and examining the Scripture according to a complete Biblical system of principles of interpretation, I dropped much of what I had been taught...unlike you, it clearly appears. I hold to what the Scriptures teach, not adding to, or subtracting from, what it clearly teaches. And, as I have already told you at least once, I can demonstrate everything that I claim with Scripture. So far, you have presented very little that you can demonstrate with Scripture.

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

: (Isaiah 28: 9, 10).

Amen and Amen! However, like most calvinists I have conversed with, they quote that line but fail to adhere to it...do you the same? So far, it seems obvious that you do.

Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction.

Yes indeed...this is the first correct thing you have stated thus far.

This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen).

Wow! Two for Two...I agree here also...

It's sad when one believe so hardly on his or her way and fail to do the will of God thinking they have the spirit of God on them.

Again, so true...many believe they are still saved and on their way to heaven and that they still have the Spirit of God indwelling them, when He left them years ago because they ceases to walk in obedience to Him and remain abiding in Christ. While I know you said that in accusation against me, I will forgive you, because you don't know what you are talking about to that end.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. (John 7: 16, 17).

Again, absolutely true, and one of my favorite verses...however...

You should have known who the tree of life is, this is basic knowledge according to the word of God.

Wrong. You appear to be a gnostic. Again, and you have never answered to it, no where in Scripture is it said, alluded to, or implied in any way, shape, or form, that Jesus Christ is the tree of life. To even say that nonsense demonstrates that it is NOT the Spirit of God that you are listening to, but...

1 Timothy 4:1*
Also, the Holy Spirit distinctly says that in the last season of the church age, some people will withdraw from the Faith, because they are listening to deceitful spirits and subtle teachings of demons, seducing them from the doctrines of Scripture,

Blessings.

 

[BroTan]

Actually, there has been no fellowshipping...truth cannot fellowship with what is false (not speaking of you directly, but concerning what you believe and tell others).



Yes...and, indeed, making judgment calls like you just did would make John the Baptist out to be a vile sinner too. Those in spiritual authority under God are mandated to try to bring the wayward back to truth (ye brood of vipers), but the vipers consider that to be monstrously rude...because of their religiosity that they are bound up within.



LOL!!! I have news for you, while my bucket is not full, it is closer to the top than yours is! As usual, the one who makes such a claim is usually condemned by his own words...



Wrong again, padowan. I was taught a doctrinal system, like we all are in the beginning of our spiritual walk...and then when I became a teenager and began thinking for myself, and examining the Scripture according to a complete Biblical system of principles of interpretation, I dropped much of what I had been taught...unlike you, it clearly appears. I hold to what the Scriptures teach, not adding to, or subtracting from, what it clearly teaches. And, as I have already told you at least once, I can demonstrate everything that I claim with Scripture. So far, you have presented very little that you can demonstrate with Scripture.




Amen and Amen! However, like most calvinists I have conversed with, they quote that line but fail to adhere to it...do you the same? So far, it seems obvious that you do.



Yes indeed...this is the first correct thing you have stated thus far.



Wow! Two for Two...I agree here also...



Again, so true...many believe they are still saved and on their way to heaven and that they still have the Spirit of God indwelling them, when He left them years ago because they ceases to walk in obedience to Him and remain abiding in Christ. While I know you said that in accusation against me, I will forgive you, because you don't know what you are talking about to that end.



Again, absolutely true, and one of my favorite verses...however...



Wrong. You appear to be a gnostic. Again, and you have never answered to it, no where in Scripture is it said, alluded to, or implied in any way, shape, or form, that Jesus Christ is the tree of life. To even say that nonsense demonstrates that it is NOT the Spirit of God that you are listening to, but...

1 Timothy 4:1*
Also, the Holy Spirit distinctly says that in the last season of the church age, some people will withdraw from the Faith, because they are listening to deceitful spirits and subtle teachings of demons, seducing them from the doctrines of Scripture,

Blessings.

In Genesis 2: 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If you don't know who these two trees are, and the difference between the two, you are blind. This is simple knowledge in the word of God!

 

[Shaolin]

In Genesis 2: 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

If you don't know who these two trees are, and the difference between the two, you are blind. This is simple knowledge in the word of God!

Again...gnostic knowledge does not come from God or His Spirit. No where in Scripture are we told, or is it even hinted at, that Christ is the tree of life. You are deluded, listening to seducing spirits. You should put that nonsense aside and start following Scripture and what the Spirit says (if you could hear Him when He speaks, that is)...

 

[Bob Carabbio]

This is another common error coming out of calvinism. The New Covenant began at Christ's baptism by John, NOT at the cross.

Hebrews 9:16 disagrees.

 

[Shaolin]

Hebrews 9:16 disagrees.

Actually, it doesn't when it is accurately translated according to Greek grammar:

Hebrews 9:16-17
16 Because when a covenant is being upheld, it is done so through the necessity of the symbolic death of the participants;
17 because a covenant is sure and certain in authority while the participants are dead to themselves and alive to the covenant obligations: it never has power while the participants are living for themselves.

As evidence for this...

From Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible - "A learned and judicious friend furnishes me with the following translation of this and the 17th verse: 'For where there is a covenant, it is necessary that the death of the appointed victim should be exhibited, because a covenant is confirmed over dead victims, since it is not at all valid while the appointed victim is alive.' He observes, 'There is no word signifying testator, or men, in the original…'" And, "Mr. Wakefield has translated the passage nearly in the same way. 'For where a covenant is, there must be necessarily introduced the death of that which establisheth the covenant; because a covenant is confirmed over dead things, and is of no force at all whilst that which establisheth the covenant is alive.' This is undoubtedly the meaning of this passage; and we should endeavor to forget that testament and testator were ever introduced, as they totally change the apostle's meaning [of this passage]." While these men have made valid points in their commentaries on this passage, covenanting as understood in the ancient near east was not rediscovered until after these writings, or else the authors knew nothing of them - because ANE covenants could be ratified without the necessity of a blood sacrifice, and even when there was a sacrifice, it was secondary to the ratification process which normally consisted of a covenant meal where both parties partook of the sacrificial animal in symbolic union of lives due to the covenant.

The covenant introduced the participants to the fact that they were no longer living unto themselves, but unto their covenant partner, their symbolic deaths - through their animal sacrifices - brought the union into effect, and remained in effect only while the participants 'died to themselves' and lived to the other. Once a partner decided to stop abiding by his covenant agreement to do what he had promised for the other, but began living for himself again, the covenant was violated and brought to an end.

According to all that we find in Scripture, from both old and new covenant Scriptures, The New Covenant was inaugurated with the baptism of Christ (along with all of His earthly titles as King of Israel, Prophet, the Great High Priest of the New Covenant, and as Isa. 42:6 and 49:8 declare, the Living New Covenant of God. He was not a sinner, there was no reason for Him to receive baptism for repentence since He had nothing to repent from. His baptism, as was the custom for priests in Israel, was His inauguration into His Messianic Offices. The New Covenant was not ratified until the Last Supper when He instituted the Communion Meal - which was the covenant meal of the New Covenant.

Blessings.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

there was no reason for Him to receive baptism for repentence since He had nothing to repent from.

Sure there was - as evidenced by the fact that He REPENTED of the life he'd been living up to that point, and IMMEDIEATELY went off in a different direction - as an active minister of the WORD, and ultimately the SIN OFFERING thereof. "Repentance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN.

 

[Shaolin]

Sure there was - as evidenced by the fact that He REPENTED of the life he'd been living up to that point, and IMMEDIEATELY went off in a different direction - as an active minister of the WORD, and ultimately the SIN OFFERING thereof. "Repentance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN.

Umm...no. Repenting in Scripture, particularly in the NT, always has to do with sin. And I repeat, according to Scripture, Jesus was sinless...that means He had nothing to repent from.

Exactly what kind of religion to you hail from, because what you give above is not Scriptural in the least bit.