Have you been Baptized?

[Born Again 2004]

Indeed... Luv it.

What does that have to do with being Baptised?

 

[Rhema]

And what two Commandments is that?

Those which make up the Law of Christ, which John details here:

1 John 3:23-24*
And this is His commandments of the New Covenant, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and that we love one another, according as He has given us commandment to do; those who continually obey His commandments remain abiding in Him, and He will remain abiding in him; by this we know that He remains abiding in us, by reason of the Spirit of which He has given to us.

In Romans 13:8-10, Paul gives detail on one of them..."love one another."

Blessings

I was sure you'd lead with this:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.​

(Mark 12:29-31 KJV)​

 

[Rhema]

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind,

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.​

(Matthew 9:13 KJV)​

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But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.​

(Matthew 12:7 KJV)​

That's why Paul says in Hebrew 10:

God bless,
Rhema

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, ...

So I thank God the more and more, because three times Jesus prayed to the Father in Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

So your God came as Jesus ... and then had second thoughts ??!!

 

[Shaolin]

I was sure you'd lead with this:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.​

(Mark 12:29-31 KJV)​

I do believe that since loving on others regards physically helping people in need, and that in loving on others we are loving on God, that what I gave covers loving on God (Mat. 25:40).

Blessings!

 

[Rhema]

Yup. I was Born again by FAITH (gifted by God (Eph 2:8,9) and infilled with the Holy Spirit on a Wednesday night in my apartment.

I find a better reference for "gifted by God" here -

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

(Matthew 16:15-18 KJV)​

But... just curious as to what specifically happened on that day to which you attribute being "infilled" with the Holy Spirit.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Shaolin]

With all due respect, I have read the context... and just what are scribes if they are not the ones copying scripture?

If scribes copy scripture, then indeed how could this verse not pertain to scripture? I note you say "all" Scripture, but Jeremiah certainly spoke of the law... so ...

"Telling" ??

Again, scribes write. They produced the scrolls known as scripture.

Rhema

Yes, I agree with all that you have stated above, but again, when we look at the whole context of the scrolls of Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Ezekiel, there were "scribes" that were teaching people, and teaching them error. Apparently, not all scribes "only copied" things.

If God meant that all of Scripture had been corrupted by the Scribes, then why did God refer to the Scriptures in that day as His Word? He shouldn't have. If what you say is true, then the whole old testament is corrupt and neither Jesus nor any of the apostles should have referred to them as often as they did.

I fear you are allowing a little wayward bias to corrupt a lot of things regarding the Scriptures, no?

Taking all of the facts into consideration, what you think that single verse means cannot intend what you think it means.

Blessings.

 

[Rhema]

Having God (Jesus) in you is the essence of the Gospel!

Just wondering if you could post the scripture verses where Jesus taught this. (I'm pretty sure I have a good idea, but was looking to understand your perspective.) And I'm thinking "goal" might be a better word than "essence."

Thanks,
Rhema

Knowing something is not predicated on a
" percise" scripture,

Thank God it's not predicated upon precise spelling...

It appears to me, YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!

(Not a seemly thing for a minister of the Gospel to say. Yes?)
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[Shaolin]

Just wondering if you could post the scripture verses where Jesus taught this. (I'm pretty sure I have a good idea, but was looking to understand your perspective.) And I'm thinking "goal" might be a better word than "essence."

Thanks,
Rhema

Thank God it's not predicated upon precise spelling...





(Not a seemly thing for a minister of the Gospel to say. Yes?)
.

He/she has said many things that demonstrates according to Scripture that IF he is a "minister," he called himself to that position. God certainly did not...

 

[Rhema]

What does that have to do with being Baptised?

Now we're OP shaming ??

 

[Rhema]

If God meant that all of Scripture had been corrupted by the Scribes,

Since we've now been OP shamed, I shall need to leave my reply at this (though we could discuss it elsewhere):

How can you say, “We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us,” when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?​

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV)​

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.​

(Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV)​

Silent Running....
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

He/she has said many things that demonstrates according to Scripture that IF he is a "minister," he called himself to that position. God certainly did not...

Given this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​

(Acts 1:8 KJV)​

We are all ministers of the Gospel. (To some extent, no?)

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Bethel]

The Lord has spoken! We are to baptize, and be baptized in the name of Jesus. There are no exceptions!

Paul said that Jesus did not send Him to water baptize.

Do you think he didn't get the memo?

 

[Shaolin]

You only belittle yourself in your lack of understanding God and Jesus; much less the Bible!!

Um...no...but you evidently don't understand Scripture when you make such off-key accusations like that. Good going, now we know where you are coming from.

Having God (Jesus) in you is the essence of the Gospel!

No...the essence of the gospel is John 3:16 and all that it insinuates...but I see that you don't understand simple things in Scripture, so...

All true Christians are marked by having Jesus (Holy Spirit) in them.

Yes, indeed...and evidently you don't understand such passages as Acts 5:32, where we are told that the Holy Spirit only remains abiding in those who are walking in obedience to God. Is that why He seems to be absent from your words, I wonder?

Hog-wash , right?!
Knowing something is not predicated on a
" percise" scripture, rather than understanding the entire Gospel, comprised of many scriptures through-out the Bible that support a truth.

I wonder if you understand that you have already demonstrated this of yourself?

When God looks into a Chritian's heart (Soul) He wants to see Jesus's Holiness, Righteousness and ,yes, Perfection...anything that YOU think you may have to offer is as "Filthy Rags" to Him.
2 Cor 13-5
Matthew 5:48

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Matt 5.48

Well...let's see if you know what you are talking about here (so far you are batting a ZERO)...

Cor. 13:5*
Test what you believe against the Scriptures, to ascertain whether or not you are still in the Faith; fully examine yourself in honesty; or do you not know that Jesus Christ is indeed dwelling within you - unless you have been rejected?

It appears that you have been rejected...

Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Ah...yes...the prime verse people who can't understand Scripture turn to in the "perfection" argument. People who can't...how did you put it..." rather than understanding the entire Gospel, comprised of many scriptures through-out the Bible that support a truth." When we apply a complete Biblical hermeneutic to our study of any topic, like God expects us to, we come to see in context that the word "perfect" here speaks of loving on people perfectly, meaning that we help those who are in need. It does not intend or speak to a "perfect" life, because no person on earth can live a perfect life, because in that respect it speaks of sinlessness. In deed, you don't know what you are talking about.

You also seem to "predicate" yourself in false calvinistic doctrine, because the "filthy rags" scenario continually flows from those false doctrines. Again, when we take the passage in question through a complete Biblical hermeneutic in study, Isaiah is NOT saying that nothing you do is good or good enough, he is comparing God's righteousness with yours...which can NEVER come close to His. In this simple understanding you have also failed.

It appears to me, YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!

Taking everything that I have read from you so far, you are trying to call a kettle black. Not only that, but you demonstrate that you are no more a God-called minister than I am a tennis shoe. That is to be expected, however...the self-made minister these days far out number those who are actually called, equipped, gifted, and anointed by God into His ministry. I fear that you will pay for many things on the last day...but the worst part of it is that you will continue to writhe under the false notions in your bias and may never truly come back to God, laboring under those delusions to the end.

I will pray for you.

 

[Shaolin]

Given this:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

(Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)​

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.​

(Acts 1:8 KJV)​

We are all ministers of the Gospel. (To some extent, no?)

Thanks,
Rhema

We all have a mandate to share Christ with others, but there is a huge difference between a God-called, gifted, equipped, and anointed minister of the gospel and a Christian who is not God-called, gifted, equipped, and anointed to one of the five-fold church offices. The church in this country today suffers greatly from false pastors, false preachers, false teachers, false apostles, and false prophets (I have yet to hear about a false evangelist). This is one reason why there are so many false doctrines and teaching in the church landscape, more than at any other time in history.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Just wondering if you could post the scripture verses where Jesus taught this. (I'm pretty sure I have a good idea, but was looking to understand your perspective.) And I'm thinking "goal" might be a better word than "essence."

Thanks,
Rhema

Thank God it's not predicated upon precise spelling...





(Not a seemly thing for a minister of the Gospel to say. Yes?)
.

Sorry..
Are You?

Um...no...but you evidently don't understand Scripture when you make such off-key accusations like that. Good going, now we know where you are coming from.



No...the essence of the gospel is John 3:16 and all that it insinuates...but I see that you don't understand simple things in Scripture, so...



Yes, indeed...and evidently you don't understand such passages as Acts 5:32, where we are told that the Holy Spirit only remains abiding in those who are walking in obedience to God. Is that why He seems to be absent from your words, I wonder?



I wonder if you understand that you have already demonstrated this of yourself?

https://biblia.com/bible/nlt/Matt 5.48

Well...let's see if you know what you are talking about here (so far you are batting a ZERO)...

Cor. 13:5*
Test what you believe against the Scriptures, to ascertain whether or not you are still in the Faith; fully examine yourself in honesty; or do you not know that Jesus Christ is indeed dwelling within you - unless you have been rejected?

It appears that you have been rejected...

Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Ah...yes...the prime verse people who can't understand Scripture turn to in the "perfection" argument. People who can't...how did you put it..." rather than understanding the entire Gospel, comprised of many scriptures through-out the Bible that support a truth." When we apply a complete Biblical hermeneutic to our study of any topic, like God expects us to, we come to see in context that the word "perfect" here speaks of loving on people perfectly, meaning that we help those who are in need. It does not intend or speak to a "perfect" life, because no person on earth can live a perfect life, because in that respect it speaks of sinlessness. In deed, you don't know what you are talking about.

You also seem to "predicate" yourself in false calvinistic doctrine, because the "filthy rags" scenario continually flows from those false doctrines. Again, when we take the passage in question through a complete Biblical hermeneutic in study, Isaiah is NOT saying that nothing you do is good or good enough, he is comparing God's righteousness with yours...which can NEVER come close to His. In this simple understanding you have also failed.



Taking everything that I have read from you so far, you are trying to call a kettle black. Not only that, but you demonstrate that you are no more a God-called minister than I am a tennis shoe. That is to be expected, however...the self-made minister these days far out number those who are actually called, equipped, gifted, and anointed by God into His ministry. I fear that you will pay for many things on the last day...but the worst part of it is that you will continue to writhe under the false notions in your bias and may never truly come back to God, laboring under those delusions to the end.

I will pray for you.

Yes God gave us His Son, so He could get I inside every BELIEVER .

Hope you are a Believer.
When you die, God looks inside you and sees Jesus's Righteousness , Holiness and Perfection...not YOURS.

He goes through a final process of separation: the Goats to the left ,the Sheep to the right.

The Goats are the Un-believers.
The Sheep are the Believers.

The Goats go to Hell and the Sheep go to Heaven.
Hope to see you in Heaven!

 

[Born Again 2004]

@Rhema , see Isaiah 64:6

 

[Curtis]

I do not remember reading the "thief" on the cross to have been baptized before his death.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I do not remember reading the "thief" on the cross to have been baptized before his death.

Your talking about Water Baptism, the Thief would have been Baptised by Jesus the Holy Spirit!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I find a better reference for "gifted by God" here -

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.​

(Matthew 16:15-18 KJV)​

But... just curious as to what specifically happened on that day to which you attribute being "infilled" with the Holy Spirit.

It was at night on a Wednesday.

Background: My Roomate and his wife, non-Christians like me - Roman Catholic heritage - were sharing the apartment we were in on Roe Drive in south Houston in the early spring in 1963.

My room-mate and his wife had been Born Again the night before - led to the Lord by the folks across the hall (a Baptist seminarian and his wife). THEY had planned on moving out to get closer to the school, and had put a deposit down on another apartment in Pasadena, TX where the school was. BUT when we moved in, the Lord told them that "those kids" were THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get 'em saved. So they let their deposit go, and re-upped on a monthly basis till ther burden of ministry was discharged.

Anyway, they invited my room mate (Pete), and his wife over one evening for coffee and donuts, and Led 'em both into salvation. They went to the seminarian's church the next night (Wednesday) and when they got home, Pete sad: "We've got to talk".

Long story short, Pete started to present what he remembered of what the seminarian had presented to him (Pete had never cracked a Bible in his life), and the Holy Spirit jumped on ME with Conviction of SIN, and of Judgement. THIS TIME (there had been other times of conviction) I finally surrendered, Repented, and cried out to God to Save me. And He did.

And Everything changed. I was no longer suicidal, or hopeless, and there was a HOPE there that hadn't been there before, and I KNEW I was Clean and new in God's sight. And as frosting on the cake the next morning I woke up, and wasn't a "smoker" any more. 3 packs a day for 10 years, and it was just GONE as though I'd never smoked. No withdrawal, no craving, nothing. A miraculous deliverance (more to that story).

So how do I know that the Holy Spirit indwelled that evening. What else would account for the miraculous change in my life (and the smoking thing too)?? Being "Born Again" is the result of being infilled by the Holy Spirit, who fuzes with your spirit, and makes you a new person. A "Child of God" as it were. it's what's described in John 20:22 (the effects of which are in Luke 24:45).

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[Rhema]

there is a huge difference between a God-called, gifted, equipped, and anointed minister of the gospel and ....

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)​

No, brother, there is not.

Rhema