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Sure he could be but that ain't what happened plain and simple!!
God declares Jesus God
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Here’s what I gleaned on a website about the origins of trinity:
“One of the most common beliefs among Pagan cultures was in a trinity of gods. We find this among the Egyptians, Indians (of India), Japanese, Sumarians, Chaldeans, and of course, the Babylonians, to where historians trace the roots of trinitarism.”
No doubt Satan was the originator of trinity gods.
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Take note: I never said, that Jesus was God the Father, He is God the Son wrap in flesh. I will also say, The 1st of a new creation [creature], He is the 1st and we who are born from above [born of God] follows Him into that new creation, His brothers and sisters and when we see Him we are going to be just like HIM.
For the benefit of all, I’m sharing a website that talked about how the trinity falsehood crept into Christianity:
Do your own research to validate what it says.
Do your own research to validate what it says.
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I have, that argument concern the Trinity has been settle so long ago and debate by much more greater mines than ours. The sweetness about it, I understood it before I even study the doctrine of the Trinity just by reading the holy scriptures. I was amazed they had a name for it. 
Jesus is called a Man by His apostles. Son of God has a completely different meaning to God the Son. Son of God is a biblical term, God the Son is a pagan term taught in ancient Babylonian mystery religion.
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He became God the Son after glorification, he was the flesh son of the Spirit of God and Mary, a mere man without a carnal mind. If this were not so you would have no hope of attaining to the same glorification he got because we are mere men and women.
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It is call "The Living Word" for it's not that the Word changes it is the mysteries hidden within God's Word. Peter had no knowledge of the Death burial and resurrection because it was not revealed to him. By this same mystery there are Godly Ideas that will surface as we continue to search This Living Word.
Deuteronomy 29:
29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us
Paul mentions many mysteries that were revealed to him and not to the circumcision.
faithful people search as the Bereans did in their time.
God intended that the scriptures to be decerned by those He chooses.
It gives The Lord great pleasure to see people struggling to know God's Mind.
I'm sure most of you know very well that the Lord will reward the diligent.
So, our struggle to find truth may reveal things we had not thought of before.
on we go
Deuteronomy 29:
29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us
Paul mentions many mysteries that were revealed to him and not to the circumcision.
faithful people search as the Bereans did in their time.
God intended that the scriptures to be decerned by those He chooses.
It gives The Lord great pleasure to see people struggling to know God's Mind.
I'm sure most of you know very well that the Lord will reward the diligent.
So, our struggle to find truth may reveal things we had not thought of before.
on we go
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It just like people was calling me a “Calvinist” before I even knew what a Calvin was! I would not say anything because I didn’t want people to know how illiterate of the Bible I was. So I kept reading and the Bible front to back. In two years read it about 5 times like that at the same. During that time at the same time maybe read New Testament about 50 time or better. Never did see that “Calvin” or “Calvinist”!guy in there I look for him in the Bible ,!never saw him. But when I always talk about The Bible or God. They kept calling me Calvinist! Heck, I didn’t even know the guy. I Thought it might had been the translation of the Bible. So I read the ASV, could not find him, then I read the RSV still didn’t see there was a new bible that had a copyright 1977 NIV. I like that bible I read it in no time front to back. I still didn’t see that Calvinist guy. It took me 10 years to find that Guy. He looked just like me!
Be careful how you use the word God brother. God the Son isn’t a biblical term, it is a term used to describe pagan trinity gods which had a son as one god among the three gods. God in the NT referred only to the Father. (1 Corinthians 8:6) Jesus is rightly called Lord and Messiah.
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It is call "The Living Word" for it's not that the Word changes it is the mysteries hidden within God's Word. Peter had no knowledge of the Death burial and resurrection because it was not revealed to him. By this same mystery there are Godly Ideas that will surface as we continue to search This Living Word.
Deuteronomy 29:
29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us
Paul mentions many mysteries that were revealed to him and not to the circumcision.
faithful people search as the Bereans did in their time.
God intended that the scriptures to be decerned by those He chooses.
It gives The Lord great pleasure to see people struggling to know God's Mind.
I'm sure most of you know very well that the Lord will reward the diligent.
So, our struggle to find truth may reveal things we had not thought of before.
on we go
Deuteronomy 29:
29 The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us
Paul mentions many mysteries that were revealed to him and not to the circumcision.
faithful people search as the Bereans did in their time.
God intended that the scriptures to be decerned by those He chooses.
It gives The Lord great pleasure to see people struggling to know God's Mind.
I'm sure most of you know very well that the Lord will reward the diligent.
So, our struggle to find truth may reveal things we had not thought of before.
on we go
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Enxu,
The thread is a biblical quote that God declares Jesus a God. "Unto the Son he saith, O GOD thy throne is forever." Therefore the Son of God can only grow up to be a God. Though he still be in subjection to the Father.
I might have said it better by stating the above.
The thread is a biblical quote that God declares Jesus a God. "Unto the Son he saith, O GOD thy throne is forever." Therefore the Son of God can only grow up to be a God. Though he still be in subjection to the Father.
I might have said it better by stating the above.
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No my friend, you have nothing to be ashamed of. When the ignorant who have placed barrier, who have place themselves in a box don't know how to respond to intelligent statements, usually start calling people names because they refuse to open their eyes. We are not ashamed of the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation.
Continue, like all of us who seek the truth and the Lord will reward. There comes a time when we must turn away and walk from an endless argument. The Lord be with you my friend.
I found a good article on this subject which is fully cited and the author uses some research from someone that I recognize Dr. Michael Brown, it's very interesting.
Defending the Trinity | Evidence Unseen
Defending the Trinity | Evidence Unseen
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I do not like the word you use “declares” some times the English language can be complicated , because sometimes one word can mean different things depend upon context and sometimes different words can have the same meaning but leave a different flavor in your mouth. So I think instead of you saying that God “declares” I think that God the Father, “Acknowledge” The Son as GOD, there. He is part of the “Trinity” I have eyes, I can see it. Plainly.
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I didn't start the thread, was just quoting the thread title.
But I disagree with the Trinity business obviously. There is a Father and a Son, these are declared to be each a God, but the Son after his earthly experience, death, and resurrection. I've never see in my Bible where the Holy Spirit is called a GOD. He is an aspect of the Father (his Spirit). Do you? And if so please give book chapter and verse(s).
PS: DECLARE defined means to ACKNOWLEDGE POSSESSION.
"WORTHY IS THE (LAMB) THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE POWER, AND RICHES, AND WISDOM, AND STRENGTH, AND HONOR, AND GLORY, AND BLESSING." I would say this is a DECLARATION of the LAMBS possessions or an acknowledgement of his worthiness to possess these things.
"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth........heard I saying Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power,be unto him that sits upon the throne, AND UNTO THE LAMB for ever and ever." Two different entities with the same possessions.
"Behold the LAMB OF GOD, who taketh away the sin of the world." John the Baptist speaking of the flesh man Jesus BEFORE he received the Holy Spirit as John knew what was to happen.
John 1:34 "And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD." Not God himself but the SON.
If Jesus already had these things why was it necessary for him to be slain to obtain them?
Do you honestly believe that GOD the father can actually DIE???
This is not posted in mean spiritedness but rather Iron sharpens Iron so we shall all get sharper? Maybe?
But I disagree with the Trinity business obviously. There is a Father and a Son, these are declared to be each a God, but the Son after his earthly experience, death, and resurrection. I've never see in my Bible where the Holy Spirit is called a GOD. He is an aspect of the Father (his Spirit). Do you? And if so please give book chapter and verse(s).
PS: DECLARE defined means to ACKNOWLEDGE POSSESSION.
"WORTHY IS THE (LAMB) THAT WAS SLAIN TO RECEIVE POWER, AND RICHES, AND WISDOM, AND STRENGTH, AND HONOR, AND GLORY, AND BLESSING." I would say this is a DECLARATION of the LAMBS possessions or an acknowledgement of his worthiness to possess these things.
"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth........heard I saying Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power,be unto him that sits upon the throne, AND UNTO THE LAMB for ever and ever." Two different entities with the same possessions.
"Behold the LAMB OF GOD, who taketh away the sin of the world." John the Baptist speaking of the flesh man Jesus BEFORE he received the Holy Spirit as John knew what was to happen.
John 1:34 "And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD." Not God himself but the SON.
If Jesus already had these things why was it necessary for him to be slain to obtain them?
Do you honestly believe that GOD the father can actually DIE???
This is not posted in mean spiritedness but rather Iron sharpens Iron so we shall all get sharper? Maybe?
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Many avenues I can do this, but the important thing is that you see it, my problem will be if I am pointing you into right direction. Let’s deal with Jesus first as GOD the Son. Now why did they want to stone him in (John 10)
31The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” (John 10:18 ESV). Now who took the last breath out Jesus body and who Raised Him from the grave?
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