Faith comes by Hearing, but Obedience comes by Fear!

[jari]

and with good understanding you would see that born in sin, is just the same as all have sin. We know that Jesus knew no sin. So common sense would tell you that since Adam, all men where born in sin or where sinners, because all men sin.

that hardly is logical to me. little babies havent sinned. nor little kids either. but due to maturity person becomes aware of moral choises.

and while babies are just babies - people when they grow up start to sin but no they didnt have sin at birth.
sin is always choise.. not a flaw in you.

 

[David777]

Hello Bro.tan.

I have always understood that the Ten Commandments are part of the whole law handed down to the Israelites.

31 “Keep my commands and follow them. I am the LORD.
32 Do not profane my holy name, for I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites.
I am the LORD, who made you holy
33 and who brought you out of Egypt to be your God. I am the LORD.”

I am not an Israelite, i am of the uncircumcised, i never received the law.

The law was part of a larger package that included sacrifices, a temple, etc.

Keeping the Sabbath(6th comm?) is strictly a Jewish concern.

Why do you separate the Law into the 10 laws and the rest?

Were you led out of Egypt?

 

[bro.tan]

that hardly is logical to me. little babies havent sinned. nor little kids either. but due to maturity person becomes aware of moral choises.

and while babies are just babies - people when they grow up start to sin but no they didnt have sin at birth.
sin is always choise.. not a flaw in you.

Lets go into John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. 34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

Now Jesus is telling these people even though they are born in sins, this man is blind. Now this is a spiritual blind, not psychical blind. Now Jesus is going to blind the man, and Soon the man confess, and said," Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him." On the other hand Jesus open the eyes of the Pharisees, so now they see the truth, which they suppose to preaching in the first place. This is why Jesus said at the end, "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

So once again people are born in sins. In this case, being blind is doing the will of the father, which is keeping the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, like Jesus did. Once people realize that then they eyes will be open. The keeping of Sunday as the Christian sabbath is not of God but of Man.

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.


I was born into all this Sunday doctrine at one time and the lord open my eyes, and I had to learn, I didn't fight the truth as I see most people do, I excepted the truth the recorded History according to the word of God in the Bible and, follow the word of God and now the Lord blind me and took me out of the world. So now I teach the uncut word of God according to the Prophets (Old Testament) and Apostles (New Testament). I observe the Lord's Sabbath Day, the Lord's Feast Days (as outlined in Leviticus 23rd chapter), and the Lord's Dietary Law (as outlined in Leviticus 11th chapter). I teach and observe the Royal Law, which is the Ten Commandments.
I also believe in the resurrection and that Jesus is the King of Israel who will rule over the House of Jacob forever. I believe that Jesus is the God of all people and that his house "shall be a house of prayer for all people."
(Isaiah 56:7)


If you have anything to say, start using the Bible showing scriptures and verses and not just talking! Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[bro.tan]

I have always understood that the Ten Commandments are part of the whole law handed down to the Israelites.

31 “Keep my commands and follow them. I am the LORD.
32 Do not profane my holy name, for I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites.
I am the LORD, who made you holy
33 and who brought you out of Egypt to be your God. I am the LORD.”

I am not an Israelite, i am of the uncircumcised, i never received the law.

The law was part of a larger package that included sacrifices, a temple, etc.

Keeping the Sabbath(6th comm?) is strictly a Jewish concern.

Why do you separate the Law into the 10 laws and the rest?

Were you led out of Egypt?

Pay close attention, my friend.....These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb. (Deuteronomy 29:1)

Notice what the scripture says, "beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb." We see that other Laws were given to Moses alongside the covenant (Ten Commandments). An individual might say, "Those laws were for the tribes of Israel." Well, let’s see if the Lords laws only apply to the sons and daughters of Jacob.

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 24:22)

One manner of law for Israel, as well as for the rest of the sons of Adam.

Let’s see if Paul is in line with Moses...Lets go in Romans 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Now, understand that jew is used in a way of saying the Israelites, jew is short for Judah, which and where that word came from, its twelve tribes that makes up the tribes Israel. Today they are mostly known by the name Jews. People used that word without understanding as well as other things. Now Jesus is consider a jew, cause jesus came out of the tribe of Judah, but Paul came of the tribe of Benjamin.....I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. (Romans 11:1) So Paul really shouldn't be call a jew, but a Israelite. The Lord scatter Israel the real jews throught out the four corners of the earth, and they have new given name, today. But some may know what tribes they are from, some don't, but they know who they are, and of cousre some don't know who they are.

 

[jari]

Hi bro.tan, i must disgaree

Now Jesus is telling these people even though they are born in sins

no this was the pharisees talking. what good is their opinion worth? (they were actually blaming this man being born in sin as if they were better by birth, but Jesus said nor his mother or father had sinned. ) its not God's word what the pharisees "think", they are the same people who wanted to kill Jesus.
everyman is responsible for his own sins and no one is judged for "being born with sin". only transgressors are judged and that is state of everyman but not because they had no choise.
we are saved by grace, forgiven of our sins. Note not adams sins but ours.

bible throughoutly tells that we have sinned. we need to be forgiven. And again , not that adam needs to be forgiven.

if we were sinners just because of adam then why talk about forgivenses as if, it would be our fault?

no, Jesus was also tempted just like we are , yet without sin. it says that in the bible.

i hope you understand my view point.

bible never deals with original sin. its always comes to personal choices and conduct.

God bless you

 

[bro.tan]

Hi bro.tan, i must disgaree





no this was the pharisees talking. what good is their opinion worth? (they were actually blaming this man being born in sin as if they were better by birth, but Jesus said nor his mother or father had sinned. ) its not God's word what the pharisees "think", they are the same people who wanted to kill Jesus.
everyman is responsible for his own sins and no one is judged for "being born with sin". only transgressors are judged and that is state of everyman but not because they had no choise.
we are saved by grace, forgiven of our sins. Note not adams sins but ours.

bible throughoutly tells that we have sinned. we need to be forgiven. And again , not that adam needs to be forgiven.

if we were sinners just because of adam then why talk about forgivenses as if, it would be our fault?

no, Jesus was also tempted just like we are , yet without sin. it says that in the bible.

i hope you understand my view point.

bible never deals with original sin. its always comes to personal choices and conduct.

God bless you

Thats not correct and if I did make and error some where I'll correct it, but you have to used the Bible to show me. Now, I ask you to used verses and scripture to prove any thing you have to say, and you didn't. Didn't Paul, say in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 - Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[bro.tan]

Coming in this word of God the wrong way will lead you down the wrong path with different mind set, brothers and sisters. In the scriptures its written Proverbs 14: 27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. Every Sunday millions upon millions of people all over the world attend church services. To most it's an automatic occurrence and they have never given their actions a second thought. It probably would seem blasphemous for these people to change their day of worship, before obtaining any true knowlegde. After all, this is the way of the world and has been so for some time. Nevertheless, the bible says that Satan has deceived the whole world (Revelation 12:9).

Many people fail to realize that Sunday is the first day of the week. This ignorance is due to the fact that Monday is the first work/school day in most countries. However, Sunday is actually the first day of the week and Saturday is the seventh day. Any calendar, dictionary or encyclopedia will prove this fact. Some will argue that it's impossible to know which day is which. Some people believe the days have changed over time. However, the bible speaks of a seven day week and we still live according to this rule today. This is no accident.

Past nations have even tried to shorten and lengthen God's weekly institution, but of course they failed. Man has also come up with names (after pagan gods) for the days, but it is no coincidence that each day is still known by it's perspective number (1-7). God has not allowed the days of the week to be altered over the centuries. Even during the sixteenth century when the world adopted our present calendar, the Gregorian, the days of the week did not change.


Others will say that it really doesn't matter what day you attend church. "You should worship God everyday" or "everyday is the Sabbath day," they will zealously proclaim. Well, why has the world set aside Sunday as it's day of worship (there is a reason, which we will discuss later) instead of any and every day? Sure you should do well and think about God every day, but everyday cannot be the Sabbath day. God in his wisdom knew that man would be consumed with his daily activities. Therefore, he set one day aside for man to come together and worship him. The Sabbath begins at sundown Friday and last until sundown Saturday. (Each day starts in the evening, instead of at midnight, "and the evening and morning were the fifth day" Genesis 1:23). The entire bible stresses that it is of utmost importance that we observe (attend church) the Lord's Sabbath, the seventh (7th) day. It really does matter. In the sctiptures its written Proverbs 15: 32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. 33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Man realizes the importance of setting one day aside to worship God. Nevertheless, he has tried to change God's set time and law of Sabbath worship. "And he shall speak great words against the most High...and think to change times and laws..." (Daniel 7:25). This change went into effect on March 7, 321 A.D., by Emperor Constantine of Rome. Constantine, "...enjoined Sunday rest from labor, except agricultural" (Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 21, 1945). It is even recorded that Constantine used violence to enforce his new law, because the seventh day Sabbath was still being observed by true servants of God. Now if it would seem blasphemous for people to change their day of worship today, how do you think God felt when man changed his?

 

[Brother Mike]

All are sinners.

So Paul is tell us in Romans all have sin, so that means we are all sinners, before christ, and with good understanding you would see that born in sin, is just the same as all have sin. We know that Jesus knew no sin. So common sense would tell you that since Adam, all men where born in sin or where sinners, because all men sin.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If all were "Born in sin" would Jesus had made that statement?Is it that we are born in sin, or born under the curse of the Law?

Common sense tells me I need the scripture where God said we are born in sin. I only see the Pharisee's Accusing Jesus of this.

If we have inherited sin, then certainly the doctrine of Generational curses is correct.

2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[jari]

Thats not correct and if I did make and error some where I'll correct it, but you have to used the Bible to show me. Now, I ask you to used verses and scripture to prove any thing you have to say, and you didn't. Didn't Paul, say in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 - Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

i think Bro mike gave you a good scriptual answer. So is it clear now?
every one is responsible for his sins thats why we need savior. and thats why by Grace are we saved.

 

[jiggyfly]

Pay close attention, my friend.....These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb. (Deuteronomy 29:1)

Notice what the scripture says, "beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb." We see that other Laws were given to Moses alongside the covenant (Ten Commandments). An individual might say, "Those laws were for the tribes of Israel." Well, let’s see if the Lords laws only apply to the sons and daughters of Jacob.

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 24:22)

One manner of law for Israel, as well as for the rest of the sons of Adam.

Let’s see if Paul is in line with Moses...Lets go in Romans 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Now, understand that jew is used in a way of saying the Israelites, jew is short for Judah, which and where that word came from, its twelve tribes that makes up the tribes Israel. Today they are mostly known by the name Jews. People used that word without understanding as well as other things. Now Jesus is consider a jew, cause jesus came out of the tribe of Judah, but Paul came of the tribe of Benjamin.....I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. (Romans 11:1) So Paul really shouldn't be call a jew, but a Israelite. The Lord scatter Israel the real jews throught out the four corners of the earth, and they have new given name, today. But some may know what tribes they are from, some don't, but they know who they are, and of cousre some don't know who they are.

Seems your opinion here is in conflict with what Paul taught very clearly.

The old covenant includes the ten commandments.

Look here.
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
12 Since this new way gives us such confidence, we can be very bold.13 We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away.14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.
2 Cor 3:7-18 (NLT)

1 Therefore, since God in his mercy has given us this new way, we never give up.2 We reject all shameful deeds and underhanded methods. We don’t try to trick anyone or distort the word of God. We tell the truth before God, and all who are honest know this.
2 Cor 4:1-2 (NLT)

 

[bro.tan]

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If all were "Born in sin" would Jesus had made that statement?Is it that we are born in sin, or born under the curse of the Law?

Common sense tells me I need the scripture where God said we are born in sin. I only see the Pharisee's Accusing Jesus of this.

If we have inherited sin, then certainly the doctrine of Generational curses is correct.

2Ch 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

Since you guy one a team up on me and refuse not to understand what I'm saying, then you guys show me one man other then Jesus and you can't use Adam, so, other then Jesus, who was born with no sin!!

 

[jari]

hi bro.tan

Since you guy one a team up on me and refuse not to understand what I'm saying, then you guys show me one man other then Jesus and you can't use Adam, so, other then Jesus, who was born with no sin!!

will you show verse where it says one man was born in sins?
its not biblical even pharisees think so, they were wrong in LOT of things

But take a look here:


(Eph 2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

We were dead in sins.... note not born dead (spiritually). but dead from our sins.

even you wouldnt agree you still need to admit we have sin that was problem. and it was our sins that made us dead like Eph 2:5 clearly says.

it doesnt say adams sin, but sins (our).


God bless you

 

[bro.tan]

i think Bro mike gave you a good scriptual answer. So is it clear now?
every one is responsible for his sins thats why we need savior. and thats why by Grace are we saved.

I agree, except we are not saved, unless its on a day to day process. I ask Bro mike a question, I'll wait for his answer. But you still didn't do like I ask. Those verses Bro Mike used didn't prove the fact that we are not Born in sin.

 

[jari]

I agree, except we are not saved, unless its on a day to day process. I ask Bro mike a question, I'll wait for his answer. But you still didn't do like I ask. Those verses Bro Mike used didn't prove the fact that we are not Born in sin.

even we would be we are still in trouple because of our own sin. which was what Jesus paid for.

and we are saved by grace. - it says this in bible we cant ignore this truth.

 

[bro.tan]

Seems your opinion here is in conflict with what Paul taught very clearly.

The old covenant includes the ten commandments.

Look here.
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
12 Since this new way gives us such confidence, we can be very bold.13 We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away.14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.
2 Cor 3:7-18 (NLT)

1 Therefore, since God in his mercy has given us this new way, we never give up.2 We reject all shameful deeds and underhanded methods. We don’t try to trick anyone or distort the word of God. We tell the truth before God, and all who are honest know this.
2 Cor 4:1-2 (NLT)

How could it be my opinion when I used scriptures that say what it says, maybe its something you don't understand, and you feels like you can't ask a question.

 

[Brother Mike]

Scriptures.

bro.tan

Those verses Bro Mike used didn't prove the fact that we are not Born in sin.

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If all were "Born in sin" would Jesus had made that statement?Is it that we are born in sin, or born under the curse of the Law?

Gang up? Really? You have no idea.

Why don't you answer my question Bro.tan? If we are born in sin, then why did Jesus say he did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, when nobody was even born again at that time?

I also asked you. Is it we are Born in Sin, or we born under Adams transgression where Death Reigned even over those who did not sin?

and one more.

Your scripture stating we are born in sin..................

You only feel ganged up on because you also don't answer the questions or produce the scripture.

One scripture where it says man is born in sin......... just one. I already gave you what the Pharisees said, they told Jesus he was born in sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[bro.tan]

bro.tan


Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If all were "Born in sin" would Jesus had made that statement?Is it that we are born in sin, or born under the curse of the Law?

Gang up? Really? You have no idea.

Why don't you answer my question Bro.tan? If we are born in sin, then why did Jesus say he did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, when nobody was even born again at that time?

I also asked you. Is it we are Born in Sin, or we born under Adams transgression where Death Reigned even over those who did not sin?

and one more.

Your scripture stating we are born in sin..................

You only feel ganged up on because you also don't answer the questions or produce the scripture.

One scripture where it says man is born in sin......... just one. I already gave you what the Pharisees said, they told Jesus he was born in sin.

Jesus Is Lord.

I thought I ask you to show me one person in the Bible that was born righteous, except for Jesus, and Adam. What you are quoting is not proving this fact, sorry.



John 9:34 - They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out

The Pharisees did not tell Jesus he was born in sin. Jesus didn't come on the seen until verse 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?


So you didn't really read or study the verses, or understood what you where reading

 

[bro.tan]

(Mat.7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". For students to succeed in school, students learn to follow their teachers' instructions, and learn their lessons carefully. But few apply this method when they are dealing with the word of God. Is Jesus your Lord? Then why don’t you do the things he says. (Luke 6:46) "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say"? He told you plainly: (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God".


Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague! They are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or they are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe they have let some preacher give them other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.

 

[Brother Mike]

sigh...........

The Pharisees did not tell Jesus he was born in sin. Jesus didn't come on the seen until verse 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

I never said they told Jesus anything, I said the accused him. Does one need to be present to be accused?

So you didn't really read or study the verses, or understood what you where reading

I will pretend I did not read this.

I thought I ask you to show me one person in the Bible that was born righteous, except for Jesus, and Adam. What you are quoting is not proving this fact, sorry.

Do you know what Righteous even means?

If righteous or unrighteous has anything to do with sin, then are you saying Salvation is by works?

To believe something you need scripture, Man was born in sin, Man has a satanic nature, anything. Just the scripture please.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

One does not have to confess that Jesus is Lord to be baptised. Simply believing is enough in order to be baptised.

Baptism, it is said, is the outward expression of an inner conversion; the inner conversion is to be expressed by verbal confession (Ro 10:8-10).

SLE