2 Corinthians 5 :4 - The unclothed state

[GodB4Us]

so you'll be Unclothed.

How? Prove it with scripture too.

No differentiation of Life with you.

I am saved by faith in Jesus Christ since the calling of the gospel when I had first believed ( John 1:12-13 ) and I run that race by faith in Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of my faith to help me lay aside every weight & sin daily; Hebrews 12:1-2 so you cannot say there is no differentiation of life with me when Jesus Christ in me is the difference. Otherwise, you be condemning yourself.

 

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'For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened:
not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon,
that mortality might be swallowed up of life.'
(2 Corinthians 5:4)

Hello there,

The unclothed state, is the state of every one who has died, for being 'unclothed' is a description in Scripture of one who has died. The breath of life having returned to God who gave it, the body is unclothed by life, whether by a living mortal body, or a resurrection body energized by life. Both need life. For the member of the church which is His (Christ's) Body, his life is hid with Christ in God, and when He appears in glory, so will each member appear with Him there, obviously now clothed upon by life.

So all who are in the grave are in an unclothed state, awaiting the resurrection from the dead, either to life or to judgement and condemnation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Daniel L.]

If you are running that race in doing good works to obtain salvation, then you are voiding faith in Him

No, the works is what makes the faith alive and true, not void. Because the devils also believe and they tremble. The thing that seperates us from the devils is that we not only believe, but we also work righteousness and do His will. That is True Faith in Christ. True Faith saves, dead faith doesn't save the devils, nor anyone else.

 

[GodB4Us]

No, the works is what makes the faith alive and true, not void. Because the devils also believe and they tremble. The thing that seperates us from the devils is that we not only believe, but we also work righteousness and do His will. That is True Faith in Christ. True Faith saves, dead faith doesn't save the devils, nor anyone else.

How do you apply the works of Catholicism whereby the Catholic Catechism testify you have to be a member of the Catholic Church to be saved as there is no salvation outside of her? Not to mention that Catholics are to do all the sacraments within & persevere in charity for the obtaining of their salvation? Ever wonder why they call Jesus Christ their savior when they are saving themselves by being a member of the Catholic church and doing works within her?

Here they are, doing all those works even though scripture testify that if they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised them from the dead, they are saved. So regardless of the fact that they have been conned and lied to, allowing the Catholic Church to steal them of the joy of their salvation as well as why Jesus Christ is the Good News to man, thus laboring in unbelief in coming short of that rest provided by Jesus Christ that they are saved for believing in Him, how are you any different?

If we do good works as led by the Lord to do as abiding in Him as His disciples is one thing for the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House at the rapture event, but to do good works to obtain or prove salvation, is another, because it denies the Lord as their Savior that had bought them when they had first believed in Him to be saved at the calling of the gospel.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Daniel L.]

the works of Catholicism

I follow the Way, not catholics. I do the will of the Father, not the works of catholics. And the will of the Father is that we Love Him with all our heart and love our neighbour. That is, keep His commandments:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

believe in the Lord Jesus Christ

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[GodB4Us]

I follow the Way, not catholics. I do the will of the Father, not the works of catholics. And the will of the Father is that we Love Him with all our heart and love our neighbour. That is, keep His commandments:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

When you have the Holy Spirit in you since having believed in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel, you are saved without works because it was God that saved you when you had believed in Jesus Christ to be saved..

That is why His disciples are to teach newly saved believers in training them to be His disciples by believing Jesus Christ to be their personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help them understand His words & to abide in Him & His words so they can bear fruit and their joy may be full so as to avoid verse 6 in John 15:1-8 of being cut off and left behind at the rapture event ( Luke 12:40-49 ) when God judges His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17 & 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 ), but though left behind for not departing from iniquity, they shall be damned as vessels unto dishonor, vessels of wood & earth ( see verse 20 in 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ), but still in His House. This is why there are "least" in the kingdom of heaven Matthew 5:19 as they, as the least, the vessels unto dishonor, shall testify to the power of God in salvation for all those who believe in Him ( 1 Corinthians 1:21 ) , even in His name ( John 1:12-13 ).

 

[Daniel L.]

you are saved without works

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

God that saved you

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

believed in Jesus Christ to be saved

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

-You need to repent first, be baptised and only then will you receive the Holy Spirit. Because He will not justify the wicked, ungodly, sinners. Because His Justice is Perfect. He can only justify those who are just indeed, and He can only declare righteous those who are righteous in deed. Because He is Truth and cannot lie.

 

[Alley Oop]

How? Prove it with scripture too.

I am saved by faith in Jesus Christ since the calling of the gospel when I had first believed ( John 1:12-13 ) and I run that race by faith in Jesus Christ by looking to the author & finisher of my faith to help me lay aside every weight & sin daily; Hebrews 12:1-2 so you cannot say there is no differentiation of life with me when Jesus Christ in me is the difference. Otherwise, you be condemning yourself.

let me make it simple for you -
you're on the way to the morgue.

 

[Alley Oop]

Hello @Alley Oop,

In my case, and the case of all those who, ''love His Appearing', it is the gateway into life. Resurrection life! God's gift to all those who are saved by His grace. Until then we are at rest, 'in Christ Jesus our Lord'. For in God's eyes we merely 'sleep', for we have the hope of eternal life in His Son. Unlike the unbeliever who has no such hope, but will be raised to judgement, with the prospect of condemnation and the second death. For the believer there is no condemnation. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

you're another one who has a limited standard level of detail.

case in point, you misquote romans 8:1 "there is no condemnation for those in christ jesus who live not after the flesh, but after the spirit". make sure you quote the whole verse.

by knowing romans 8:1 correctly, you see in verse 13, those that live after the flesh die - they end up at the morgue. such is the type of 'christian' on this site and in all the death cults of christianity.

 

[GodB4Us]

let me make it simple for you -
you're on the way to the morgue.

Unless the rapture comes, God be willing, aren't we all, including you?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[GodB4Us]

you're another one who has a limited standard level of detail.

case in point, you misquote romans 8:1 "there is no condemnation for those in christ jesus who live not after the flesh, but after the spirit". make sure you quote the whole verse.

by knowing romans 8:1 correctly, you see in verse 13, those that live after the flesh die - they end up at the morgue. such is the type of 'christian' on this site and in all the death cults of christianity.

You are not really making your point here when you are here also in the flesh at your computer accessing the internet for how you are condemning others. You certainly not a ghost writer on the internet, right?

When you cut yourself, do you not bleed?

Romans 8:1 is not about living in this body as if after the flesh but about sowing to the works of the flesh ( Galatians 5:19-21 ) which can corrupt/defile our physical body ( Galatians 6:7-8 ) which is the temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ) but when Christians are judged by what they have built on that foundation in that day ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-13 ) rewards will be given ( 1 Corinthians 3:14 ) for sowing to the fruits of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22-23 ) but for defiling the temple of God, God will destroy the physical body hence physical death ( 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 ) yet the spirit is saved in spite of suffering that loss ( 1 Corinthians 3:15 )

Sharing 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 only because this site has their Bible version changing defile in verse 17 as "destroy" when that does not make any sense at all. If the believer destroy this own temple which is his body, why would God destroy it twice? Therefore KJV has it right maintaining that as defile for what a believer does to his own body for why God would destroy that body with physical death as the wages of sin is death for why unrepentant believers can get left behind for not departing from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come. Revelation 2:18-25

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So when you wind up in a morgue, does that mean you were in a death cult of Christianity?

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[Alley Oop]

You are not really making your point here when you are here also in the flesh at your computer accessing the internet for how you are condemning others. You certainly not a ghost writer on the internet, right?

When you cut yourself, do you not bleed?

Romans 8:1 is not about living in this body as if after the flesh but about sowing to the works of the flesh ( Galatians 5:19-21 ) which can corrupt/defile our physical body ( Galatians 6:7-8 ) which is the temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ) but when Christians are judged by what they have built on that foundation in that day ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-13 ) rewards will be given ( 1 Corinthians 3:14 ) for sowing to the fruits of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22-23 ) but for defiling the temple of God, God will destroy the physical body hence physical death ( 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 ) yet the spirit is saved in spite of suffering that loss ( 1 Corinthians 3:15 )

Sharing 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 only because this site has their Bible version changing defile in verse 17 as "destroy" when that does not make any sense at all. If the believer destroy this own temple which is his body, why would God destroy it twice? Therefore KJV has it right maintaining that as defile for what a believer does to his own body for why God would destroy that body with physical death as the wages of sin is death for why unrepentant believers can get left behind for not departing from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come. Revelation 2:18-25

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So when you wind up in a morgue, does that mean you were in a death cult of Christianity?

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

have you picked out your coffin or will you be cremated?

 

[GodB4Us]

have you picked out your coffin or will you be cremated?

The real question is, are you ready for when the Bridegroom comes?

 

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you're another one who has a limited standard level of detail.

case in point, you misquote romans 8:1 "there is no condemnation for those in christ jesus who live not after the flesh, but after the spirit". make sure you quote the whole verse.

by knowing romans 8:1 correctly, you see in verse 13, those that live after the flesh die - they end up at the morgue. such is the type of 'christian' on this site and in all the death cults of christianity.

Hello @Alley Oop,

It is such a shame that you feel the need to be combative, for there is no need for it. I will not respond to your accusations, for I am not answerable to you, but to the One Who is my Saviour and Lord.

May God's will be perfectly done in each one of us, for His Name and glory's sake.

Within the love of Christ Jesus our Lord
Now risen and glorified, at God's right hand.
Chris