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2 Corinthians 5 :4 - The unclothed state

you are not with the Lord now? who are you with then?
I'm one spirit with the Lord - I Cor 6:17
Well, I was referring to 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 to be where Christ is at physically as having ascended and is in Heaven but the reference you are referring to is also the truth regarding He dwells in us 2 Corinthians 13:5 & is with us always Matthew 28:20 for why our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
you will die if you live after the flesh as Romans 8:13a states.
Not sure why you are referring to that. I am not sowing to the works of the flesh so I am not sure why you infer that I was living after the flesh.
i see you have no interest in " be transformed by the renewing of your mind" - Rom 12:2
Again, another false accusation. As you judge, so I shall correct you in return; where is your correction to renew my mind if that be the case? Instead, by His grace & By His help, I am sharing the 2 different kinds of topics that you seem to be overlooking here regarding how we are clothed upon at our salvation and how we are clothed upon when our redemption finally comes even for those that are dead when their spirits are with the Lord in Heaven,
you as all the dysfunctional wolf-children, are in the wide gate to death - matthew 7:13
Attacking the posters rather than addressing the issues is a fault of yours.

Romans 15:1We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden. 6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
you may have 'put on christ' in your spirit, but not your soul and body.
And where is the scripture to prove that and in what way?
have you picked out your coffin yet, or will you be cremated?
God be willing, He shall continue to have me abide in Him & His words ( John 15:1-8 & 1 John 3:3,8 & 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25 ) in being ready by Him ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) to avoid being left behind ( Luke 12:40-49 ) and be willing to go ( Luke 14:15-35 ) as I rely on Him for my escape ( Luke 21:33-36 )
 
It was permitteded for Paul to continue, for the hardness of your hearts.
Still does not explain this;

2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Verse 9 reproves how you are applying His words to mean.
 
I rather glory in my infirmities
Jeremiah 12:13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
11 I am become a fool in glorying

Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.
 
Jeremiah 12:13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns: they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit: and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
11 I am become a fool in glorying

Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.
The irony here is that Paul is acknowledging his foolishness whereas a real fool would not.

And Peter considered Paul's epistles as equal unto the rest of scripture.


2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So this teaching of Paul being a false apostle is .. false.
 
The irony here is that Paul is acknowledging his foolishness whereas a real fool would not.
He didn't acknowledge all of it. For example, the Apostles have power to trample over snakes and scorpions, and can cast out demons, so why was Paul unnable to cast this "thorn" out?

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

-He was left to "glory in infirmities". In stripes:

2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

Proverbs 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
And Peter considered Paul's epistles as equal unto the rest of scripture.
Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
 
Well, I was referring to 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 to be where Christ is at physically as having ascended and is in Heaven but the reference you are referring to is also the truth regarding He dwells in us 2 Corinthians 13:5 & is with us always Matthew 28:20 for why our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit; 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Not sure why you are referring to that. I am not sowing to the works of the flesh so I am not sure why you infer that I was living after the flesh.

Again, another false accusation. As you judge, so I shall correct you in return; where is your correction to renew my mind if that be the case? Instead, by His grace & By His help, I am sharing the 2 different kinds of topics that you seem to be overlooking here regarding how we are clothed upon at our salvation and how we are clothed upon when our redemption finally comes even for those that are dead when their spirits are with the Lord in Heaven,

Attacking the posters rather than addressing the issues is a fault of yours.

Romans 15:1We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden. 6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

And where is the scripture to prove that and in what way?

God be willing, He shall continue to have me abide in Him & His words ( John 15:1-8 & 1 John 3:3,8 & 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25 ) in being ready by Him ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) to avoid being left behind ( Luke 12:40-49 ) and be willing to go ( Luke 14:15-35 ) as I rely on Him for my escape ( Luke 21:33-36 )
keep it simple -
will you be clothed or unclothed?
 
He didn't acknowledge all of it. For example, the Apostles have power to trample over snakes and scorpions, and can cast out demons, so why was Paul unnable to cast this "thorn" out?
God had answered him.

2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

By the way, none of His disciples can actually cast out demons when demons cannot go out except by prayer & fasting as in submitting the prayer request to God and fasting as denying you have had any part of God delivering someone from demons.

Mark 9:17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; 18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not. 19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me. 20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. 21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. 22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? 29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

-He was left to "glory in infirmities". In stripes:

2 Corinthians 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.

Proverbs 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Galatians 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

James, Cephas, & John gave Paul & Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. That is 3 witnesses right there for Paul & Barnabas.
 
God had answered him.

2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

By the way, none of His disciples can actually cast out demons when demons cannot go out except by prayer & fasting as in submitting the prayer request to God and fasting as denying you have had any part of God delivering someone from demons.

Mark 9:17 And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit; 18 And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not. 19 He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me. 20 And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming. 21 And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child. 22 And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. 26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. 27 But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? 29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Galatians 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

James, Cephas, & John gave Paul & Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. That is 3 witnesses right there for Paul & Barnabas.
all the copy and paste does not address 'clothed or unclothed'.
this is yet another exhibition of II Peter 3:16, written of Paul -
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". - death = Being Unclothed.
 
God had answered him.
Do you interpret that has a deliverence? Was the "thorn" cast out? -Because I see that "answer" as a no-no. Basically leaving Paul with a "messenger of Satan" to buffet him. So, Paul wasn't delivered from the "thorn", he was left to glory in his infirmities, which the "thorn" was also causing. The question is: What fellowship hath Light with darkness? Can the temple be shared? -Because no man can serve both masters..
James, Cephas, & John gave Paul & Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. That is 3 witnesses right there for Paul & Barnabas.
:D
No, it is still one witness saying that three witnesses said such and such. So, the foundaton claim is still one witness only, the author of Galatians, Paul who claims three witnesses said this and that. The Word says: "At the mouth of three witnesses", not at the mouth of one witness who says: three other witnesses said.
 
clothed or unclothed
Yes the naked are the wicked workers of iniquity:

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

-The cloathed are the saints who work righteousness:

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
 
keep it simple -
will you be clothed or unclothed?
But you are not keeping it simple as if there are no different applications to that phrase used in scripture when you posted this next.
all the copy and paste does not address 'clothed or unclothed'.
this is yet another exhibition of II Peter 3:16, written of Paul -
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". - death = Being Unclothed.
You apply 2 Corinthians 5:4 as if physical death does not apply to you but to everybody else as if physical death of all believers, including His remaining disciples in the past until now were somehow judged negatively for having since died.

At least that is how you come across to me when judging myself and other believers as if by that verse with your challenge of will we be clothed or unclothed. You keep referring to physical death as if that cannot happen to you.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Paul is not referring to physical death here but the redemption of our bodies as the end of that verse testify, by clarifying that he is referring the physical body which is that tabernacle we groan by presently, as that physical body that will be swallowed up of life which is eluding to the first fruits of the resurrection that can die no more.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

You apply physical death as if believers become unclothed at the time of death but Paul was not referring to physical death as if being unclothed upon when we die as clarifying he is talking about the redemption of our bodies.

Now addressing the topic of being "unclothed at the time of physical death" which Paul was not talking about, death to believers do not remain unclothed at the time of death once freed of that physical body, not even believers that get denied by Him & left behind to die after the rapture event as if they remain naked when their spirits go to Heaven.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Believers that missed out on the first fruits of the resurrection, left behind to die in the coming fire on a third of the earth and consequently, from the war waged on them by the beast with a sword & hunger since the saints cannot buy & sell by the mark of the beast, their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven clothed upon to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation, BUT look how they are clothed upon differently when they are resurrected after the great tribulation.

Revelation 20
:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What does that mean on such the second death has no power? As it defers that they can never be cast into the lake of fire, the second death, yet inferring the power of the first death is still over them during that thousand year reign of Christ for why they and the generations following them, meaning they will marry and have children, will need to eat from the tree of life for the healing of the nations in that City of God.


Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

So those left behind will not be weeping and gnashing their teeth any more over the loss of their first inheritance for why the prodigal son is still son even though he can never get that inheritance back from wild living.

Those resurrected after the great tribulation are not like the firstfruits of the resurrection where they become like the angels that never die nor marry ever again; thus alluding to another type of inheritance for how believes can be clothed upon. Now after the Great White Throne Judgment when death and hades is cast into the lake of fire, and Jesus having completed the kingdom of Heaven, gives it back to the Father, I see those partakers of the resurrection after the great tribulation as dying no more after that.


But as we read on from your initial reference of 2 Corinthians 5:4 and we see when Paul is talking about physical death in being with the Lord in Heaven by our spirits, but we are still clothed upon when we are there with robes, awaiting for resurrection for how we shall be clothed upon; firstfruits or they that be Christ's at His coming after the great tribulation? Like it or not, Christ as the Bridegroom at the rapture event is how and when God judges His House first.

Do note in context that Paul is not denying the Lord is within us per verse 6 because of verse 5, but referring to where the ascended Christ is at now in Heaven as absent from Him in that way whereas when we die, we shall be with Him with our spirits.

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So the real question is not whether or not we shall be clothed or unclothed at the time of death in being free of this physical body when we die, when we, as spirits, shall be clothed with robes in Heaven. but the real question is HOW we shall be clothed upon when the Bridegroom comes to judge His House first at the re great tribulation rapture event; as firstfruits or as they that be Christ's at His coming?

Yes the naked are the wicked workers of iniquity:

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

-The cloathed are the saints who work righteousness:

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Let us address how one can be naked.

Now referring to the man without wearing his wedding garment, I discern this wedding garment as faith in Jesus Christ that was removed when any works on that foundation denies Him, thus voiding faith & that wedding garment is why such believers will not be partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Believers that have gone astray by the religious flesh by making commitments or promises to Christ in following Him & to do good are resorting to their own power under the law to do that & by that law is the knowledge of sin for why their faith is voided in Christ & His promises to us under the New Covenant. They can ask for forgiveness & be set free from those man made bondages to rest in Him & all His promises to us to be ready for the Bridegroom before He comes.

Otherwise, no flesh shall glory in His Presence by bragging about how any of them have kept their commitments & promises to Christ for why they will be left behind. We either live by faith in Him or we do not.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


That is how we should apply how we are clothed upon now when we live by faith in Jesus Christ wearing our wedding garment as opposed to any works under the law that would void that faith in Christ & that wedding garment.

So there are different applications to how we are being clothed upon in according to our faith in Jesus Christ, but your reference of 2 Corinthians 5:4 is about the redemption of our bodies as opposed to putting off our physical bodies when we die in 2 Corinthians 5:5-8

May God cause the increase by leading you to read all that and understand so you may bear more fruit in the knowledge of Him.
 
Do you interpret that has a deliverence? Was the "thorn" cast out? -Because I see that "answer" as a no-no. Basically leaving Paul with a "messenger of Satan" to buffet him. So, Paul wasn't delivered from the "thorn", he was left to glory in his infirmities, which the "thorn" was also causing. The question is: What fellowship hath Light with darkness? Can the temple be shared? -Because no man can serve both masters..
I interpret that as God will help any believer goes through any suffering while walking with Him through this valley of death. Or don't you believe that? Do you believe that when you suffer & dying that God has judged & has abandoned you?

Well I don't and I pray that God will remind you when you do suffer afflictions of any sort while in this world.

And you should consider your words in regards to Christians that suffer from mental illness as you would be denying the Lord that bought them as you did Paul.

2 Peter 1:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

You need to repent of this, brother, now.
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No, it is still one witness saying that three witnesses said such and such. So, the foundaton claim is still one witness only, the author of Galatians, Paul who claims three witnesses said this and that. The Word says: "At the mouth of three witnesses", not at the mouth of one witness who says: three other witnesses said.
I understand that Biblically, but you are forgetting that Peter had endorsed Paul by referring Paul's epistles as being scripture also. That means Paul's epistles as the word of God as true.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Luke, as led by the Holy Spirit, had written the Book of Acts and therefore adds his witness to Paul as an apostle.

Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

That's 2 witnesses to Paul being an apostle as Paul's epistles are scripture.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

You need to repent of that false teaching about Paul being a false apostle now also.
 
all those that live after the flesh shall die -Romans 8:13a.
Unclothed.
You are not alone, the masses are with you in the "Wide Gate to Death" - Matthew 7:13
Hello @Alley Oop,

You could not be more wrong, my friend. For I have a glorious hope, in Christ Jesus my Lord.
Promised by the Father and secured by the sacrificial work of Christ.

Praise His Holy Name!

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
That is how we should apply how we are clothed upon now when we live by faith in Jesus Christ wearing our wedding garment as opposed to any works under the law that would void that faith in Christ & that wedding garment.
We live by faith:

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

-It is the works that cover your nakedness:

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

-The wedding garment is fine linen:

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

-The saints that worked righteousness, have the white robes of fine linen, to cover themselves. This is thanks to their works of righteousness, fine linen is the righteous works of the saints. Not the dead faith of the sinner.
 
I interpret that as God will help
Did God helped him? Was the "thorn" cast out?
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Do you also believe Barnabas was an apostle? -Luke could have only meant disciple. Which leaves you with only one witness in Peter.

Acts 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

-Twelve is His Holy number, Twelve Tribes, Twelve Thrones, Twelve Apostles:

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 
Hello @Alley Oop,

You could not be more wrong, my friend. For I have a glorious hope, in Christ Jesus my Lord.
Promised by the Father and secured by the sacrificial work of Christ.

Praise His Holy Name!

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
have you picked out your coffin and burial plot?
 
I interpret that as God will help any believer goes through any suffering while walking with Him through this valley of death. Or don't you believe that? Do you believe that when you suffer & dying that God has judged & has abandoned you?

Well I don't and I pray that God will remind you when you do suffer afflictions of any sort while in this world.

And you should consider your words in regards to Christians that suffer from mental illness as you would be denying the Lord that bought them as you did Paul.

2 Peter 1:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

You need to repent of this, brother, now.

I understand that Biblically, but you are forgetting that Peter had endorsed Paul by referring Paul's epistles as being scripture also. That means Paul's epistles as the word of God as true.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Luke, as led by the Holy Spirit, had written the Book of Acts and therefore adds his witness to Paul as an apostle.

Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

That's 2 witnesses to Paul being an apostle as Paul's epistles are scripture.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

You need to repent of that false teaching about Paul being a false apostle now also.
so you'll be Unclothed.
No differentiation of Life with you.
 
have you picked out your coffin and burial plot?
'As for me, I will behold Thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with Thy likeness.'

(Psa. 17:15)

Hello @Ally Oop,

Oh, yes, as it happens I have. :)

Though my life is hid with Christ in God, and when He appears in glory, I, along with all the members of the Body of Christ will appear with Him there (Colossians 3:3-4). Until then I shall, in God's eyes, be 'asleep in Christ', awaiting His awakening into resurrection life.

Thank you for asking
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
all those that live after the flesh shall die -Romans 8:13a.
Unclothed.
You are not alone, the masses are with you in the "Wide Gate to Death" - Matthew 7:13
Hello @Alley Oop,

In my case, and the case of all those who, ''love His Appearing', it is the gateway into life. Resurrection life! God's gift to all those who are saved by His grace. Until then we are at rest, 'in Christ Jesus our Lord'. For in God's eyes we merely 'sleep', for we have the hope of eternal life in His Son. Unlike the unbeliever who has no such hope, but will be raised to judgement, with the prospect of condemnation and the second death. For the believer there is no condemnation. Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
We live by faith:

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

-It is the works that cover your nakedness:

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

-The wedding garment is fine linen:

Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

-The saints that worked righteousness, have the white robes of fine linen, to cover themselves. This is thanks to their works of righteousness, fine linen is the righteous works of the saints. Not the dead faith of the sinner.
The righteousness of the saints is in this wise, brother.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:..... 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Only God can enable you to see this truth but there are good works we are to do by faith in Jesus Christ to help us to do them in abiding in His words to be fruitful as His disciples in running that race, but there are dead works that deny the faith in Jesus Christ that can void faith for why believers will be found naked of their wedding garment unless they repent with His help before the Bridegroom has come.

If you are running that race in doing good works to obtain salvation, then you are voiding faith in Him as your Savior for having saved you when you had believed in Him to be saved by Him.

We are to run that race, believing that we are saved for having believed in Jesus Christ, but going on to perfection by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily in going for the high prize of our calling, which is that eternal glory that comes with our salvation and that is to be that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor and to His glory.
 
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