Can One Pray in the Spirit Without Speaking in Tongues?

[PloughBoy]

OK everybody here is my testimony recently given at our local Sunday worship meeting - yes this is Waggles himself ...
I was baptized in water on 30th October 1996 and after praying to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit on 1st December 1996

Great testimony, I like "biographies" What GOD has done to you.

OK everybody here is my testimony recently given at our local Sunday worship meeting - yes this is Waggles himself ...
I was baptized in water on 30th October 1996 and after praying to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit on 1st December 1996

Great testimony, I like "biographies" What GOD has done for you and what you been through.

 

[Dave M]

can you walk in the spirit,, with out praying in tongues ?????

 

[PloughBoy]

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

can you walk in the spirit,, with out praying in tongues ?????

Of course you can.. Do we know what praying in the spirit is? Walking in the spirit?

 

[B-A-C]

Walking in the spirit?

That one is a little easier.

Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

What walking by the Spirit isn't...

Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

What walking by the Spirit is...

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That one is a little easier.

Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

What walking by the Spirit isn't...

Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

What walking by the Spirit is...

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Good! Lets add this verse in again here...
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

 

[Shaolin]

So then...You've given me four single verses, which are all incomplete sentences, incomplete thought that don't even speak on the subject and expect me to take that as scriptural truth? Amazing!

Your counting is off...count them again...there are five.
Also, presumably based upon the same issues as the counting, they are complete sentences that demonstrate exactly what they do say, and I even helped you out a little with some instruction. These are all of the passages that address praying in the Spirit either directly or indirectly - topically - like we are supposed to do Biblical study in.

Apparently you don't like the outcome, so you come back with this very untenable tactic. If you want a FULL examination, then I can provide that...but most people don't read long posts.

 

[Shaolin]

Actually tongues may be AN evidence but the real evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit would be POWER..as in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Negative.

Speaking in tongues at the moment of Spirit baptism is the ONLY Scriptural evidence that one has received the baptism of the Spirit. You can work acts of power by the Spirit without having received the baptism in the Spirit, because (Scripturally) Spirit baptism is NOT for receiving power to act in God's power, it is power to stand up and boldly proclaim the Gospel. There is a difference.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Your counting is off...count them again...there are five.
Also, presumably based upon the same issues as the counting, they are complete sentences that demonstrate exactly what they do say, and I even helped you out a little with some instruction. These are all of the passages that address praying in the Spirit either directly or indirectly - topically - like we are supposed to do Biblical study in.

Apparently you don't like the outcome, so you come back with this very untenable tactic. If you want a FULL examination, then I can provide that...but most people don't read long posts.

For your information, a complete sentence does NOT start with a conjunction like 'For or And
A conjunction joins two or more thoughts into a sentence....So what you did was to put a partial idea forth as a complete sentence and you're Wrong!

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Negative.

Speaking in tongues at the moment of Spirit baptism is the ONLY Scriptural evidence that one has received the baptism of the Spirit. You can work acts of power by the Spirit without having received the baptism in the Spirit, because (Scripturally) Spirit baptism is NOT for receiving power to act in God's power, it is power to stand up and boldly proclaim the Gospel. There is a difference.

Yeah That's a strong Pentacostal idea but the Word disagrees and speaks of Baptism of the Holy Spirit and POWER


Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Here are two verses that say that power (authority) comes with the baptism of the Holy Spirit....Can you show me that tongues is THE proof of the Baptism? Sure, you can show verses where they got tongues, but the emphasis is on power.

 

[Shaolin]

For your information, a complete sentence does NOT start with a conjunction like 'For or And
A conjunction joins two or more thoughts into a sentence....So what you did was to put a partial idea forth as a complete sentence and you're Wrong!

Ah...sure..."Conjunction: a word such as 'and, for, furthermore, etc., that joins two or more thoughts together..."

A conjunction is used in place of a comma or period in order to join two complete thoughts, ideas, etc., together. So...according to the rules of grammar, I am not the one who is wrong here...

 

[Shaolin]

Yeah That's a strong Pentacostal idea but the Word disagrees and speaks of Baptism of the Holy Spirit and POWER


Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Here are two verses that say that power (authority) comes with the baptism of the Holy Spirit....Can you show me that tongues is THE proof of the Baptism? Sure, you can show verses where they got tongues, but the emphasis is on power.

Apparently you don't understand how to read when it comes to things like this. Focus here..."but you shall receive power, after the Holy Spirit (not "ghost"...there is no such thing) has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses..." The power is to be a witness...you are only seeing what you want to see, and that bias is preventing you from seeing what the truth actually states.

And your counting is off again (???)...you gave one verse twice...very curious...

Also, your idea that the word "power" in the verse means "authority" is as skewed as your counting. The Greek word there is translated correctly, it is δύναμις (dunamis) which means either power, achieving power, or being able to do something; it can also mean strength or might...but it does not, in any way, shape, or form, mean "authority."

It appears that your understanding is off because you read into a word what it does not mean nor imply. I would correct myself if I were you, because that kind of attitude will lead a person out into left field.

Blessings

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Ah...sure..."Conjunction: a word such as 'and, for, furthermore, etc., that joins two or more thoughts together..."

So look up a list of conjunctions For...And...therefore.... Every one of your verses starts with a conjunction....therefore each verse you gave in incomplete in itself...Therefor you gave the wrong information.

 

[TheWordIsOne]

That's my question

no man cannot speak the language of the Holy Spirit, for the language of the Holy Spirit is speaking to God, and for that to happen it's the gift of prophecy, praying in the spirit it would be alien to you, and you do cannot understand it, it is called chanting, rhythmical repetition of praying
spirit to spirit, it would be some like the language Navajo code of WW2 no not can understand Navajo, one cannot understand the language of the Holy Spirit, this hasn't manifest since ancient times.
At the very of end time, the two witnesses it will manifest

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

At times like those, I suggest you remain speechless until you get your feelings
sorted out and can express your concerns intelligently.

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with
thanksgiving, present your requests to God." (Phil 4:6)

"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but
one who has been tempted in all things as we are . . . Let us therefore draw near
with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find
grace to help in time of need." (Heb 5:15-16)

The Greek word for "confidence" is parrhesia (par-rhay-see'-ah) which means all
out-spokenness, i.e. frankness, bluntness, and/or candor.

Garbling, choking, weeping, yodeling, and/or clucking one's tongue etc. doesn't
count as outspoken, frank, blunt, and/or candor.

Does anyone speak to their friends, their associates, their spouse, their domestic
partner, their significant other, their doctor, dentist, supermarket cashiers, or the
cops with unintelligible noises? Of course not. They would write us off as one in
desperate need of therapy if we did.

Don't you think the supreme being looks upon tonguers as mental cases when they
do that? Of course He does; who wouldn't? How would you like it if everybody
spoke to you like that? Well, He doesn't like it either. God has a higher IQ than
anybody you could possibly name and tonguers are treating Him like one of those
stone heads on Easter Island. Christianity's God is a sentient, sensible person; and
we all need to grow up and show some respect for His intelligence. I've no doubt He
will appreciate your regard.
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LOL As I said....You have to have emotions to feel....I do not...That part of my brain is gone.
But no....The gift of tongues is a wonderful gift....It expands the vocabulary to fit all manner of feeling and desires. Some languages have many words to fit one situation based on degree or whatever...So speaking another language opens up worlds.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Post No.13 makes a good point: Bible leading = Spirit leading.

Well; the Bible has lots to say about the use and abuse of tongues that I'm afraid
quite a few Charismatic folk have made a bad habit of ingnoring.

"Quench not the Spirit" (1Thess 5:19)
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And that's another problem....Too many Christians walking in fear.

 

[Waggles]

@Beetow
"Don't you think the supreme being looks upon tonguers as mental cases when they
do that? Of course He does; who wouldn't? How would you like it if everybody
spoke to you like that? Well, He doesn't like it either. God has a higher IQ than
anybody you could possibly name and tonguers are treating Him like one of those
stone heads on Easter Island. Christianity's God is a sentient, sensible person; and
we all need to grow up and show some respect for His intelligence. I've no doubt He
will appreciate your regard."

Now you are just being plain rude and condescending to others here on TalkJesus.
Should I report your post to higher authorities? For I am sure you are breaking the code of conduct here on TalkJesus.
I know of a zealous moderator who loves to ban members for 7 days on a whim.

Praying in tongues is spiritual and God given. And as you yourself have pointed out God has a higher IQ than us mere mortals, therefore it stands to reason that a spiritual language spoken directly to God
would be way way above our understanding - which Paul writes of:
1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Cor 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding [mind] is unfruitful.

 

[Shaolin]

So look up a list of conjunctions For...And...therefore.... Every one of your verses starts with a conjunction....therefore each verse you gave in incomplete in itself...Therefor you gave the wrong information.

You are playing games because you are on the losing side. So be it.

It does not matter if a sentence begins with a conjunction or not...apparently you have some reading comprehension issues. A complete thought is a complete thought, whether it begins with "A" or "The" or "and" or any other word. We aren't in sixth grade anymore, are we?

The facts were given to you straight out of Scripture. Don't be a bias defender...be a truth seeker. "Praying in tongues" and "praying in the Spirit" are the exact same thing.

But, I won't argue with you. If you refuse to accept the facts, then it isn't me who has the problem here.

Blessings.

 

[Waggles]

The facts were given to you straight out of Scripture. Don't be a bias defender...be a truth seeker. "Praying in tongues" and "praying in the Spirit" are the exact same thing.

A Pentecostal Christian who is able to pray in tongues fervently fully understands this.

 

[Dave M]

I would imagine Jesus always walked and prayed in the spirit,, is there any reason to think otherwise??

so when Jesus taught his disciples to pray was it in tongues??

if not in tongues,, was it not in spirit??

Luke 11:1-54
Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.” And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves,