many or few?

[JerryfromMass]

There is no shame in being naked, it is who man truly is. From the fall onwards, makind has covered himself with a facade, a fake rendition of the true person. This is why so many christians are embracing that choice, so we can try and get back to the truth in christ and ourselves. I am here to tell you, it works, and its in favor with my mighty God, my dear friend , counsellor and redeemer. The naked unadulterarted truth, not the manmade gospels and false ideology. Stay in the truth.

Are you advocating public nudism?

 

[Gregoryp]

Are you advocating public nudism?

Advocate?? I live it, nudist beaches, walks in the national parks, lack of clothing at home as much as possible. Queen Victoria has a lot to answer for is all I can say, and the catholic church who I perceive embraced her Dogma,

 

[JerryfromMass]

Advocate?? I live it, nudist beaches, walks in the national parks, lack of clothing at home as much as possible. Queen Victoria has a lot to answer for is all I can say, and the catholic church who I perceive embraced her Dogma,

I can't imagine. In fact, I don't want to. Funny, you appear fully clothed in your photo. So I guess even you, a hard core nudist, has a limit.

 

[Downunder]

There is no shame in being naked, it is who man truly is. From the fall onwards, makind has covered himself with a facade, a fake rendition of the true person. This is why so many christians are embracing that choice, so we can try and get back to the truth in christ and ourselves. I am here to tell you, it works, and its in favor with my mighty God, my dear friend , counsellor and redeemer. The naked unadulterarted truth, not the manmade gospels and false ideology. Stay in the truth.

Rev 3:16 So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spew thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest [that], I am rich, and have become rich, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou be rich; and white garments, that thou be clothed and the shame of thy nakedness be not manifested,: and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 

[Gregoryp]

Rev 3:16 So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spew thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest [that], I am rich, and have become rich, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou be rich; and white garments, that thou be clothed and the shame of thy nakedness be not manifested,: and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

the shame of nudity was a cultural reference. God is not a hypocrite nor contradictory. He did say he created man in his image and it was good. He did not give them clothes to wear from day one, nor did he cover mankind in fur like dogs or cats.

 

[Gregoryp]

I can't imagine. In fact, I don't want to. Funny, you appear fully clothed in your photo. So I guess even you, a hard core nudist, has a limit.

No, that is more to do with the culture of the world. To avoid disharmony and appease the world values, we dont go around shopping etc in the nude. It sure summarises in no uncertain terms what the world really is.

 

[JerryfromMass]

No, that is more to do with the culture of the world. To avoid disharmony and appease the world values, we dont go around shopping etc in the nude. It sure summarises in no uncertain terms what the world really is.

Was God wrong to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve with animal skins?

 

[Downunder]

nor did he cover mankind in fur like dogs or cats.

I have seen some men at the beach that defy such a claim - all the more reason to keep our clothes on.

 

[Downunder]

the shame of nudity was a cultural reference. God is not a hypocrite nor contradictory. He did say he created man in his image and it was good. He did not give them clothes to wear from day one, nor did he cover mankind in fur like dogs or cats

Revelation 3 verses are not cultural references they are spiritual references about the flesh and sin

Exodus 20:25 If you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it.
20:26 And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.
Deuteronomy 28:47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things,
28:48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.

Ezekiel 16:6 “And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’
16:7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.
16:8 “When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you,
declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.
16:9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.
16:10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk.

 

[Gregoryp]

Revelation 3 verses are not cultural references they are spiritual references about the flesh and sin

Exodus 20:25 If you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it.
20:26 And you shall not go up by steps to my altar, that your nakedness be not exposed on it.
Deuteronomy 28:47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things,
28:48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.

Ezekiel 16:6 “And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’ I said to you in your blood, ‘Live!’
16:7 I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.
16:8 “When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you,
declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.
16:9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil.
16:10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk.

yes all based on the culture of the time.

 

[Free gift]

good post brother you know it just hit me to ask this question, when I hear people talk of the pre trib rapture,,,they all talk about the great multitude of people being saved during the tribulation, as matter of fact I have heard these preachers say more people are being saved during the tribulation then any other period of time..

HMMM might have to dig into this.. sorry hope not too off topic



Often times I have heard people say that God has made it easy to be saved, all we have to do is believe. Yet that is not what the bible teaches at all, it hard the way is difficult.... but those that don't know the word are easily deceived, not matter how much we tell them to their face they think they are good to go. their idea of being a good person is going to save them....

Where does it say after the death ,burial ,resurrection and giving of the Holy Spirit that its hard to be saved ?

 

[Dave M]

Where does it say after the death ,burial ,resurrection and giving of the Holy Spirit that its hard to be saved ?

Jesus himself said it before all those things took place,

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

 

[Free gift]

Jesus himself said it before all those things took place,

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

I meant 'After ' the cross ect ? Especially in light of John 12.32 and John 16 .7-11

 

[Dave M]

I meant 'After ' the cross ect ? Especially in light of John 12.32 and John 16 .7-11

I figured that what you meant,

so lets compare Jesus gives us grace, and law gives us well the law,

, so what did the law say about adultry?? man should not sleep with another mans wife,,,, yet what did Jesus say about adultry?? if you even look at another women with lustful intent you have committed adultry,, you see following Jesus is much harder then the law, or should I say we help to a higher standard,,

 

[Free gift]

I figured that what you meant,

so lets compare Jesus gives us grace, and law gives us well the law,

, so what did the law say about adultry?? man should not sleep with another mans wife,,,, yet what did Jesus say about adultry?? if you even look at another women with lustful intent you have committed adultry,, you see following Jesus is much harder then the law, or should I say we help to a higher standard,,

I believe that was the original intent / explanation of the law that Jesus clarifies. After the cross for example the only requirement to be saved is to believe the Gospel. Prior to this it was not this ' easy ' . If there was ever a time to be saved ,today is the day . People add burdens to salvation today that they struggled to bear before Acts 2 for example. Once a person is saved ,he has found the way ,the truth and the life . He's recieved Jesus like no one before the cross. He's been redeemed ( no one was before the cross) He's born again ( no one was before the cross ) He recieves the Holy Spirit ,sealed unto the day of redemption, predestined to the Adoption ( which is the redemption of the body rom 8.23 . Guranteed by the Spirit OF adoption) None of this was happening prior.

 

[Dave M]

Faith is what has always saved people that has not changed from the OT to the NT, you sound like easy beleivisim, When you follow Jesus you are changed by his holly spirit and what some would consider a burden a born again person considers a joy. BUt the bible is clear if you are not born again and showing fruit are not going to heaven the bible is clear if you are living and practicing sin you are not going to heaven.

the sexually immoral are not going to heaven, yeap if you having sex out side of marriage you are not going to heaven unless you stop and repent

Drunkards are not going to heaven,

 

[Free gift]

Faith is what has always saved people that has not changed from the OT to the NT, you sound like easy beleivisim, When you follow Jesus you are changed by his holly spirit and what some would consider a burden a born again person considers a joy. BUt the bible is clear if you are not born again and showing fruit are not going to heaven the bible is clear if you are living and practicing sin you are not going to heaven.

the sexually immoral are not going to heaven, yeap if you having sex out side of marriage you are not going to heaven unless you stop and repent

Drunkards are not going to heaven,

There's not a bible verse in anything you just said ? For how a person is saved today . That is not the components of salvation for today. Since Acts 2 .

 

[Free gift]

Faith is what has always saved people that has not changed from the OT to the NT, you sound like easy beleivisim, When you follow Jesus you are changed by his holly spirit and what some would consider a burden a born again person considers a joy. BUt the bible is clear if you are not born again and showing fruit are not going to heaven the bible is clear if you are living and practicing sin you are not going to heaven.

the sexually immoral are not going to heaven, yeap if you having sex out side of marriage you are not going to heaven unless you stop and repent

Drunkards are not going to heaven,

I agree that no one can please God without faith . But They had to keep the law . You could lose salvation in the Ot and again during the tribulation. Today we are saved by what Jesus did . When we believe that what Jesus did on cross for our sins ,God saves us ..It sounds like you want ' hard believing ' ? Aka ' Lordship salvation ' ?

 

[Dave M]

There's not a bible verse in anything you just said ? For how a person is saved today . That is not the components of salvation for today. Since Acts 2 .

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[Free gift]

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I would not trust the modern translation your using for some of those verses .
Born again, yes after we believe the Gospel . This is how a person gets regenerated by God . By Grace, through faith ,Eph 2.8,9 . What some do is say ok now God has done this ,we need to maintain it . But its a free gift . But some turn the scriptures upside down so that New testament salvation is no different to OT salvation.