Why would being bad come natural? Good can't come natural, why?actually children are born sinners, being bad for children comes natural being good has to be taught
Why would being bad come natural? Good can't come natural, why?actually children are born sinners, being bad for children comes natural being good has to be taught
Why would being bad come natural? Good can't come natural, why?
Why would being bad come natural? Good can't come natural, why?
They can do both, it's up to the carer's to encouraged the good.The short answer would be.. because the Bible says so. I assume that isn't what you are looking for.
This is the classic argument if liberalism vs conservatism.
One believes man is born evil and learns to be good.
The other believes man was born good and learns to be evil.
But hundreds of studies have been over the years. In orphanages in third world countries where there wasn't enough people to staff
and care for these children. many thousands (millions?) of them died of neglect and starvation.
They didn't always have people around to teach them good or bad. There was no television, no nannies, no schools.. nothing but themselves
and other children. Ever had a two year old? (I've had four, more if you count grand-children).
Do you think they naturally share? Do you think they naturally tell the truth if something comes up missing?
Do you think they won't take cookies from the cookie jar given an opportunity? Do you think they never tell you "no".
Do you think they always share, and never hit one another?
Do you think they never say "mine"? Over whelming evidence points to.... we are already pretty evil, even when we are toddlers.
Whose morals do unbelievers follow?There's nothing a Christian can do morally for God that a non believer can not also do. I can't see how the Christian possesses any advantage over the non believer. You don't lose your moral compass just because you don't follow a set of rules from a book, there's plenty of secular material that can help with grounding one morally. Besides that morality is an innate sense we are born with, even children know how to take right actions.
The same one's Christians do and don't do. There's no difference here, morality and right behavior is not exclusive to Christianity.Whose morals do unbelievers follow?
How can someone who doesn't believe in God assert that they try to follow His guidelines?The same one's Christians do and don't do. There's no difference here, morality and right behavior is not exclusive to Christianity.
How can someone who doesn't believe in God assert that they try to follow His guidelines?
Or are you trying to lfollow some other "man's" guidelines?
I follow my conscience, it's my best friend.How can someone who doesn't believe in God assert that they try to follow His guidelines?
Or are you trying to lfollow some other "man's" guidelines?
Matt 5:21-23 speaks of actual murder / being a murderer. If the unsaved can prove a minor is incapable of 1st degree murder, why is that we can't? I don't think Paul will be impressed with your discernment after he said 1 Cor 6:1-9.Jesus says she does. You have not dealt with Matthew 5:21-23.
The only wickedness taking place is the miss representation of God from cherry picking scriptures.If it is a sin to believe god helped me decide to repent and believe then that sin was punished by Jesus on the cross. When I am judged I will be found to be perfect because Jesus died for my sins and gave me his righteousness.
All children go to heaven. You are ok with serving a god that you believe sends minors to fire? Jesus says heaven belongs to them. Scripture says under 20's among Jews in the desert were spared God's wrath. God tells us repeatedly to grasp He is good. Have you read the bible?No, because I find verses that says she will.
No you don't.I believe God is good with no darkness in him.
You don't believe a ''different'' theology. We are not clashing on Rom 14:5 issues. You are painting God as wicked. That is false teaching.You want to tell others that believe a different theology
No, I don't. Has Wikipedia got it wrong? Please explain how.You distort the theology I believe
His disciples who loved Him chopped off the ear of a Roman trying to do Him wrong. It would more concerning if I just keep quiet to keep the ''peace''. Christianity is not about sweet discussions. Like we are all snowflakes. Prov 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.How does that reaction square with your idea of what god commands of his disciples?
The reason mankind is accountable for their sin is due to the fact that they have been giving a working brain that can discern right from wrong. So, yes, to a degree He does.So you think god determines right and wrong based on what people think is right and wrong?
1. If a non believer did what God wanted, he would be a Christian. God would pay him a visit.1. There's nothing a Christian can do morally for God that a non believer can not also do.
2. I can't see how the Christian possesses any advantage over the non believer.
3. You don't lose your moral compass just because you don't follow a set of rules from a book, there's plenty of secular material that can help with grounding one morally.
4. Besides that morality is an innate sense we are born with, even children know how to take right actions.
Ok so if I murder a child I am evil, but if your God wipes out a whole town of children then that's good. How can one thing be good to this God but then evil to me?
Does your conscience tell you to turn the left cheek?I follow my conscience, it's my best friend.
Now what annoys me about you, is that you call wicked, good. Just be honest and call wicked, wicked. Say ''I believe God is wicked''. Then deal with it. Don't say people don't understand. That is a terrible defense of your belief. You need to grasp the fact that not a single sane person on this planet will defend partiality as good.
The QB's ability can be matched to us coming to God. Agreed, this is impartiality. The QB has shown a desire for the position. We show a desire for God.Being impartial does not mean treating everyone the same. A football team may have three quarterbacks. They have a starter, 2nd and 3rd string quarterbacks. Treating these partially would be to pick the starter based on race or kinship with the coach for example. Treating them impartially would be to pick the starter based on the merits of their play and ability. Impartiality says it will not base decisions on irrelevant information but base decisions on relevant information like ability in the QB example. God does not choose whom he saves based on ethnicity, wealth, education or how good people are etc. If he did then he would be guilty of partiality and be wicked. God does not base his decisions on these things.
You are again making those poor verses say something they don't. It is just saying that we must not think the greatest on earth are the chosen. It speaks to impartiality.Gods choice is based on his hidden wisdom that we are not privy to.
Now you completely contradicting what you just said about the QB."In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will." Eph 1:11
Were not chosen with partiality or irrelevant considerations. His choice is not based on anything we do, not or goodness or anything, it is based on his reasons and not anything of ourselves
Salvation is grace. There are three destinations you need to grasp.Romans 11:5: "So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."
Your "conscience", relative to what?I follow my conscience, it's my best friend.
Ok thanks. Have a blessed day.The QB's ability can be matched to us coming to God. Agreed, this is impartiality. The QB has shown a desire for the position. We show a desire for God.
You are again making those poor verses say something they don't. It is just saying that we must not think the greatest on earth are the chosen. It speaks to impartiality.
Now you completely contradicting what you just said about the QB.
As to the verse, the chosen are pre destined to be in Christ. The chosen are the whomsoever will open the door to Jesus knocking at the door. Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Salvation is grace. There are three destinations you need to grasp.
1. Where we currently are.
2. Where we need to get.
3. Where God is.
We cannot go from 1-3, as Jesus is needed to take us to 3. That is all the verse you quoting says. Calvinism is a belief that God picks us at 1 and takes us to 3. We need to go to 2. 2, is our part. It is opening the door to Jesus to come into our hearts Rev 3:20. It is sincere repentance Psalm 51:17. It is laying our lives down to follow Him Matt 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
Now, when you consistently quote scripture only speaking to point 1 and 3, I can't but help question your motives. Your honesty in reading scripture. Why do you do this? It is as though you are reading 1/10th of the bible. Please return to the logic you have shown with the QB.
No, Hitler was not following his conscience.Your "conscience", relative to what?
Don't you think Hitler was following his conscience?
Seeing no evil in killing millions?
Or does following your conscience make things alright, regardless of what others feel is good or bad?
What leads you to believe that?No, Hitler was not following his conscience.
God showed me a vision one time of a large family. Each of the family members represented a different church. Some older some younger. Yet all of them thought they had the nich on God. Each thought they, and only they were the special one. That no one else knew God as they did.Why the snarkiness?
Calvinism agrees with John 3:16. No Calvinist changes the verse. This verse does not say that the unbeliever chooses freely. God grants belief (Phil 1:29), god gives the ability to repent (2 Tim 2:25), works belief in us (Jn 6:28-29). The whosoever are those granted the act of believing. In Acts 13:48 it says:
"And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Notice that God is the one who points people to eternal life and, according to the text, this is why they believe.
I did not say god would not choose to save a murderous girl. I also said that the girl was considered a murderer because she has anger in her heart (Mt 5:21-23). My point is that all god has is sinners to save. There are no non sinners for god to save, the girl deserves hell because she is a murderer in her heart. Just like you and me.
Where do I find little girls exempt from the punishment for sin in the bible?
It would help if you avoided snarky responses.
Because the conscience is your last line in the defense of perverse thought's, if you don't listen to what it says you'll turn out like Hitler.What leads you to believe that?
I am sure Hitler's conscience convicted him. I don't think this is an argument that proves anything.What leads you to believe that?