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Thanks for the story, Bill.
Do you know how to tell if someone loves God?
works has nothing to do with salvation yet it is a by product
Do you know how to tell if someone loves God?
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Yep.
But his conscience wasn't based on Godliness.
It was based on ancient myths about the dominance of the Aryan people.
Not based on what can I do for the benefit of others.
A man's conscience has to be based on something real, or it descends into the perversions you site.
His conscience allowed for murder.
To him the idea of mass murder wasn't perverse.
Do you think he was wrong?
Based on what?
Some measure of right and wrong?
Without a perspective that includes God, there is no way to penalize Hitler's actions.
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great question because lots of people will say they Love God but what does the bible say
John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
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What if there was a place a great finished landscape where we all go after we die, in this place there are authorities who are as ancient as time itself. Hitler would find himself in a world of trouble when he arrives, he will have his punishment allotted to him. But it would be fair and justified punishment, that involves him a continuation of learning and correction. If he still refuses to learn, then they will cease his journey.
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Isn't this a lot like the great white throne judgment? You've changed some of the names and circumstances... but for the most part...
The big difference between this and mainstream Christianity, is that THIS life is your testing and proving ground. After this life.. game over.
No second chances.
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One life is not enough to learn what you need to enter the universal community.
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Got a bible verse for that, or some other reference?
Hitler's "fair and just punishment" will be a lake of fire. (Rev 20:15)
You are already in the universal community.
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Not yet where not, we all still squabbling over bronze age Gods and selling and buying each other like candy.
Some community.
You don't need no reference from a bunch of sheep herders, or monk's up on a mountain, or a cleric who doesn't eat pork.
No, nature itself reveals the inner workings of the universe.
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This journey of learning of which you speak, is taking place right now. When it is over, God will '''know'' you. You will know yourself too. God will separate those who love Him from those who hate Him. There will be no middle ground. If God believed you still required a middle ground, He would keep you alive for longer. He is already doing that. He literally waits until there is a complete imbalance of evil over good before His destruction comes. We learn so much from Abraham's discussion with God on Sodom. Gen 18:32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?” He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” IE There was not even ten righteous people in Sodom. These were all very wicked people. Take even those at the time of the flood. The wickedness of the people upset God so much, that He told Noah to build an ark. God gave these very wicked people.....a .....120 year warning to change Gen 6:3.
Nature reveals God and free will. The bible is proven truthful in both directions. You just save time reading it first.
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Sure it does, that's why I learned nothing useful about the universe in the 14 years I was a Christian.
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Rom 1:19; because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Rom 1:20; For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Where did nature come from? Where did creation come from?
Rom 1:20; For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Where did nature come from? Where did creation come from?
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Lol. You need to be more specific. What kind of thinking did you do as a Christian?
God gave us brains to be used. God is glorified when we use them to their full potential.
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I can't see that you were ever a true Christian.
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Yes.
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why not tell us
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When the love of God is present in a person, it is always being emitted from them. You can see it in everything they do. The fruit. As the bible says, they are slow to anger, compassionate, and so on.
There is a tenderness that is sweet to behold.
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I was trying to find a way to explain why works is important to our faith. The Lord reminded me of something that will show it, and i think you will get a laugh to.
Some years ago, i think i was about 21 at the time. I worked at a summer camp for boys. Every saturday, the camp officials would take about 50 boys out canoeing on the Maumee Rr. It was the highlight of the week.
It started raining friday night. The forcast was rain all saturday, that would cancell canoeing.
Late friday night i prayed to the Lord, Please Lord, dont let these kids miss thier canoe trip. (Many children came from low income families, coming there was a big thing for them). I prayed a while, basically pleading for them. I knew the Lord heard me.
My daily program was cancelled saturday morning due to the rain. But i spent the morning loading the canoes onto the trailers by myself. 14 canoes in all. During lunch, to the surprize of all the sun came out and a blue sky appeared.
One of the officials got up and started to say the canoe trip was still cancelled as nothing was ready. I then got up and announced that the trailers were all loaded, and all the paddles and life vests were ready to.
They went canoeing that afternoon.
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What? Please explain your thoughts
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You should never say that. You walk on dangerous grounds.
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cmd73 does not claim to be a practicing Christian. He considers himself an atheist.