Women

[amadeus2]

Edit: I apologize for beneath to the readers, except amadeus --sorta-- The Post Beneath Is Off-Topic, and only amadeus' reply is wished upon or for or asked by/to-receive.
**rest plz ignore...

amadeus2, Your Light warmth Me ~ the input Ye made was appreciated highly..

I Am putting myself out Here now, I shall appreciate a sincere answer if you find that well&All; Ye think ("believe") by Thy '-intake-of-Holy-this,dat,&D-otha'; Ye believe Genesis bringsi Adam as Primal Men/man;--That He -in Yer Eyes B presented scriptually as Center --[[women (Eve (not women in general term)) as sidekickOor-Helper-Addon or as a "Extra" ; as an Add-On to Adam????? and in that Adam being scriptually laid unto people reading them scriptures, aas, "Primary" in a sense.?-?

'Cus I read: God made the earth and the all the birds and the this that and the heaven and all creeping this and mammals and -like- all; then Adam was sorta center-roled in the midst- With God bringing The man in connection with all creatures for Adam's naming,,, and now here's what I'm sorta revolving around like the cat around the... "bowl of milk..???---(retorical question ^^)- THEN, God saw In Adam he had not Quite what Was Needed, ehm, that,, Man was lacking, he had none in world for His (Adam's) Help and assistance, maybe company and thisThatNtheOther - then HeavenGod made Him(adam) A Helper-Woman.Eve

Both man (the male) and woman (the female) are alone, but God did not intend them to remain that way.

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

Of course, as we know too often from our own experiences men and women have gone their own ways instead of going God's ways, not only with regard to the male and the female, but with regard to so many other things. God has provided a Way to come all the way back to Him for "whosoever" (male or female) through our Lord Jesus. Don't look at the multitude of poor examples that you see in this world in which we live (planet Earth) but look rather to God

 

[Sebastian]

Addition to the Opening Post & The Thread's investigative purpose: Is there Ever Mention of A Woman being in Heaven? Maybe in revelation? if there is mention of a Woman in Heaven then? Oooor... I read about some guy, enoch? eni?... well.. w/e... there was some guy I read which was brought to heaven "like... [NAME] was not longer, because GOD took him." (No need to write the Guy's christian name ]))
and I'm sure there are other examples of Men being in Heaven (Not that I do not count the heavenly city (you know the... ehm... 1000 year long reign of Christ and His Bride/People, ehm... the New Jerusalem or what it's called) as Heaven (I believe it's Heaven on Earth -sorta- liiike, Holy SUPER_place-City in World, which is sorta semi-Heaven due to all the "divine" people and w/e but now I'm rambling as per usual heheh.. D: --)]=).~

Anything comes to mind where the Bible speaks of -any 1 woman- being in Heaven???

Edit: Written be4 amadeus2's post above, so this input is prone to error, as described a couple posts above.

 

[Sebastian]

Both man (the male) and woman (the female) are alone, but God did not intend them to remain that way.

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

This verse has, by course of brought up of'course; heightened aspect of Mind for I - great ''-tipping-of-collarHat--''' *new-years'-eve-trumpet unfolding in a cheerful trump** Edit: the "part" -"..., Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female..." speaks, or firmly indicates, conveys 'under-the-surface:y'-that God made not woman as a "addition" or "plus", or "add-on" to Man, being so to speak "latched unto Man(read:adam)as an "addon" out of "good intention/necessity/"need"--but as two parts of a Whole (soooorta similiar to yingyang (to convey the inter-"same-level"-feeling ---which im sure will be badly conveyed to like most Humans reading this... AAnyhow... it speaks greatly for the opposite "truth"(way-of-state-of-how-it-is) than what I sorta presented in the post u replied to (the "truth"(possibility of truth) that Man was made Primary and woman as a sorta "-Yoo, Adam needs a Helper Yooo ---Them beasts ain't really getting kinda getting the u know,, He needs some lady yo to help scratch His back (lol sorry feminists), and like,, be a good woman at His Adams' Sides yoo..."... If I May put it like that lol.



whispers in my self's only presence [inaudible to all around and anywhere]: "one --FLESH--(no mention of soul or Spirit) ~interesting~~~ sorry feminists n peeps.. :,< ^^ .

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[[[note; "[inaudible"] ^^


.Over.~

 

[Sebastian]

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[Shutterbug]

Good afternoon Sebastian;

Despite some garbled communication, you are correct in that the female of our species is not just meant for the males, but are a part of the males. Because Man is like no other species on Earth, women and men are not meant for any other species. While God breathed life into a mould of clay, I believe he also breathed life into a companion mould generated from bone. Between the two, they can propogate because that life force has been passed on through them. That's the physical side in brief.

The spiritual side is a bit different. That life comes from our Creator because of our faith, trust, and obedience to His will. Beginning with Acts in the New Testament, that was modified through his Son and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. But, it's still our faith, trust, and obedience that make us or break us.

There are good people here whose goal (mission?) is to keep believers from straying into error, and encourage them to remain that way. Bear with them and they will be of immense help to you. Chase them away and you will find yourself struggling alone.

 

[Bendito]

Does the Bible anywhere say anywhere at all that Women have the "breath of wind/Spirit" in them?

It doesn't count if Adam got it breathed into him and then Eve was made from his rib, -doesn't count.

Does it anywhere at all say that women have that immortal breath of Life, ooor, how to put it.. U know what I mean.
Is there any mention at all about women being in heaven, ooor, if it says anything at all anywhere which means they have the "the breath of wind/Spirit" in them? Anything at all? Please see if you can find any Scripture which says they do, and if you find any, please write it below.

Thank yuu berry much!

Jesus and his Father are totally cool n stuff, Like ICE.,,Ice Club Soda-ICE (that's some hardcore ICE).

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What does the Word say? Look.....
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Adam and his wife Havah were created at the same time....'male and female created He them." When God put Adam to sleep He merely....Merely? Oh well......Separated the two. Havah had the breath of God giving her life just as much as Adam did. Right from the start.

 

[fightngwrmwood]

@Sebastian - thank you for the work and thought you put into your responses. I am very sorry that you believe ... Seem to believe I am under demonic influence. Or perhaps not? It's hard for me to tell. I more than accept your apology,forgive you, and seeing as how I set you off, I can say I am sorry for that, but I am not sorry for my questions or admonition to speak clearly and reverently

I am not saying this to flatter you, you seem intelligent and astute, and we are all fragile so it is understandable you might react,but I pray that we can still dialogue about this. message me if that makes you more comfortable but I highly encourage you to do th is with all eyes on and remember Psalm 23. Assuming you know and love Jesus nothing can truly derail you.

I was not giving you the silent treatment. I just went to bed early and am now back from church. Im on eastern standard time and it is about lunchtime now. I prayed for you today because I wondered if I had been too blunt, which I can do.

After all this,I still am not sure what it is that you wanted to convey. Is it true that you believe that women do not have ability for a spiritual relationship? Is that what you are getting at?

If you say yes, this doesn't offend me, it's the Lord we should always be concerned and focused on as far as what His Person, His Son, thinks, not want people think. I just want to assure you I am not trying to set you up to tear you down. All I would ask is that you consider the only weapon worth fighting with, His Word, and that you ask the Holy Spirt to show you if there is anything that the truth wants to transform about your own perceptions and feelings. I will do the same.

With His extended hand and your sister in our dear Lord, Mollie

 

[fightngwrmwood]

Ps - @Sebastian, your query about women in heaven, there is a passage where Jesus is challenged in an attempt to arrest him, asking for His take on divorce. Luke 20, they probably didn't really care what the answer was,but just wanted to trap Him. He responded that, "...those who are judged worthy of a place in the other world, and from the dead do not marry, because they can no longer die..."

He also alludes to living like this in Matthew 19.

Yes, He says those, but set your mind on this. If you can accept that Jesus would have to be referring to both men and women in heaven here because being Torah abiding, He would never have referenced same sex marraige, then you have to conclude that women must be held to a spiritual standard to receive the reward due to them in eternity. If that is true, then can you see why Galatains 3:28 matched the gospels so well? I very much hope you can. Peace, Mollie

 

[Bendito]

I think the answer to your confusion lies in the manner of new breathing for newborn babies. Do you suppose God breathes life into him to replace his breathing of amniotic fluid in the womb? If God doesn't show up, the baby will suffocate without CPR? Or maybe new life was designed by God to be genetically acquired, all humans after Adam's fashioning able to enjoy both air breathing and spirit possession beginning in the womb.

That dual breath you are wondering about would have come that same natural way beginning from when Eve was yet in Adam, activating upon arising out of him. Ever since then it's been natural for new births to simply receive what you speak of. In other words, God directly started that process with the first man, and since then both male and female live by what God set up in man. Notice also that at birth there is no difference in birth process of boy or girl.

Whoa! I'm finding this whole conversation is waay off kilter. Women are not in heaven because someone did not read the Word? Babies breathing amniotic fluid? This entire conversation is based on ignorance and sexism.
Women were taken out of men. As I posted above, God created Adam and Havah as one being. "Male and female created He them" Look above for the reference. God breathed life into Havah when He breathed it into Adam. Women are an integral part of man. Just as God made man with both male and female components (mental emotional spiritual) women still complete a man. He is not whole without her.

The baby does not actually breathe in the womb. The mother breathes for the fetus, and essential oxygen is passed to the fetus through the umbilical cord. The fetus does make breathing-like movements though. These begin at 9 weeks of pregnancy and allow the fetus to practice this breathing movement.

As you can see this conversation has evolved/ devolved to an emotional issue not based on any kind of fact, thus possible not any kind of truth. Let's straighten that out ok? It is an interesting topic.

Women are too interesting to leave them out of heaven.

 

[Dovegiven]

Whoa! I'm finding this whole conversation is waay off kilter. Women are not in heaven because someone did not read the Word? Babies breathing amniotic fluid? This entire conversation is based on ignorance and sexism.
Women were taken out of men. As I posted above, God created Adam and Havah as one being. "Male and female created He them" Look above for the reference. God breathed life into Havah when He breathed it into Adam. Women are an integral part of man. Just as God made man with both male and female components (mental emotional spiritual) women still complete a man. He is not whole without her.

The baby does not actually breathe in the womb. The mother breathes for the fetus, and essential oxygen is passed to the fetus through the umbilical cord. The fetus does make breathing-like movements though. These begin at 9 weeks of pregnancy and allow the fetus to practice this breathing movement.

As you can see this conversation has evolved/ devolved to an emotional issue not based on any kind of fact, thus possible not any kind of truth. Let's straighten that out ok? It is an interesting topic.

Women are too interesting to leave them out of heaven.

I think you need to read my post again, slowly, taking a few breaths per sentence. What you commented on my post is not mentioned in mine.

Secondly, I did quite a lot of research about baby floating in amniotic fluid, learned a lot, before posting about it. The baby uses the inhalation/exhalation process to take in the fluid and release it. You can get a minimal start at
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002220.htm

 

[Sebastian]

Shutterbug I am appreciative of your post in this thread most of them all so far, I can tell you are a good host.

@Sebastian - thank you for the work and thought you put into your responses. I am very sorry that you believe ... Seem to believe I am under demonic influence. Or perhaps not? It's hard for me to tell. I more than accept your apology,forgive you, and seeing as how I set you off, I can say I am sorry for that, but I am not sorry for my questions or admonition to speak clearly and reverently

I am not saying this to flatter you, you seem intelligent and astute, and we are all fragile so it is understandable you might react,but I pray that we can still dialogue about this. message me if that makes you more comfortable but I highly encourage you to do th is with all eyes on and remember Psalm 23. Assuming you know and love Jesus nothing can truly derail you.

I was not giving you the silent treatment. I just went to bed early and am now back from church. Im on eastern standard time and it is about lunchtime now. I prayed for you today because I wondered if I had been too blunt, which I can do.

After all this,I still am not sure what it is that you wanted to convey. Is it true that you believe that women do not have ability for a spiritual relationship? Is that what you are getting at?

If you say yes, this doesn't offend me, it's the Lord we should always be concerned and focused on as far as what His Person, His Son, thinks, not want people think. I just want to assure you I am not trying to set you up to tear you down. All I would ask is that you consider the only weapon worth fighting with, His Word, and that you ask the Holy Spirt to show you if there is anything that the truth wants to transform about your own perceptions and feelings. I will do the same.

With His extended hand and your sister in our dear Lord, Mollie

Greatness; Bountiful; I Believe the Lord's Hand truly was extended..

Ps - @Sebastian, your query about women in heaven, there is a passage where Jesus is challenged in an attempt to arrest him, asking for His take on divorce. Luke 20, they probably didn't really care what the answer was,but just wanted to trap Him. He responded that, "...those who are judged worthy of a place in the other world, and from the dead do not marry, because they can no longer die..."

He also alludes to living like this in Matthew 19.

Yes, He says those, but set your mind on this. If you can accept that Jesus would have to be referring to both men and women in heaven here because being Torah abiding, He would never have referenced same sex marraige, then you have to conclude that women must be held to a spiritual standard to receive the reward due to them in eternity. If that is true, then can you see why Galatain 3:28 matched the gospels so well? I very much hope you can. Peace, Mollie

In my extensive -bordering to insane- ramblings I made earlier into this thread, I see a notion of mine was lost; when I say Heaven, I do not count 'The Heavenly-City ("The New Jerusalem")' into this word 'Heaven'; I see 'The Heavenly-City' as, basically, a perfect Holy City, where everyone is like angels (no injustice, poor behaviour, suffering and like... well... the dark sides of humanity basically); I do firmly believe Women will be there; -The best Ones there are (according to Good Judgment I believe firmly); wholesome women (for they will shed their darkness (corruption) and put on incorruption (Woooh! HipHip Hurray (!) For The Heavenly City! =D _* _^ ,) ____ (do not reply to this, it's just a glad gift; -and I have faith Ye shall be counted worthy)-I'm talking Heaven-Heaven; no disrespect or offence at all meant - the division and "my note" are hard to see.


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saw not that a post was made above here during my writing so the message presented by I is destined to be unsync etc, unfortunate! *[(End Of note)]*

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[fightngwrmwood]

Bendito - The women are way too interesting, kudos. I am thankful for that.

I find it interesting that we are having this conversation regarding so many of the population of human beings. That this is even a question is saying a lot in itself. I mean, I think what we are getting at is - is there such a thing as a spiritual inferior. It raises a lot of questions about women for me.

Why is it that we need this ranking system? Why did James and John's mother ask for them to be on the right and left? Why did the disciples argue about position? Why did Jesus get tempted with power? To me the answer is the Fall, with 2 guilty parties involved, but if anyone has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there.

The questions that don't seem to have answers for me are as follows: How is that that so much trafficking of women and children happens? Is it all priorities? How is it that we have so many Christian books on everything under the sun and its popular to debate the finer points of end times issues that Jesus professed not to know Himself, at all the while hundreds of thousands are enslaved? I am so grateful for organizations like the International Justice Mission and the media attention this has gotten, but is it just another thing to have correct ideas about or does it change our lives? And is this an open question - that is - we are still waiting for Him because we haven't reached everybody. Is the answer to that last question up to us in part?

Dovegiven, thanks for your work into fetal life. It does seem to me to speak to the idea both that life is G-d breathed at conception and His intimate care with "knitting us in the womb." Look forward to reading more and appreciative of the gift of my own breath.

Sebastian - good to see you back. And that you believe women will be in heaven. I also thank you for your kind words. I am so grateful that we have a just Judge who is the Only Judge and we can trust Him with the right and wrongs.

 

[Bendito]

I think you need to read my post again, slowly, taking a few breaths per sentence. What you commented on my post is not mentioned in mine.

Secondly, I did quite a lot of research about baby floating in amniotic fluid, learned a lot, before posting about it. The baby uses the inhalation/exhalation process to take in the fluid and release it. You can get a minimal start at
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002220.htm

Sorry I meant that for all the recent posts They are getting kind of lopsided Or is that just an old man slipping into delirium? LOL

Bendito - The women are way too interesting, kudos. I am thankful for that.

I find it interesting that we are having this conversation regarding so many of the population of human beings. That this is even a question is saying a lot in itself. I mean, I think what we are getting at is - is there such a thing as a spiritual inferior.

Why is it that we need this ranking system? Why did James and John's mother ask for them to be on the right and left? Why did the disciples argue about position. Why did Jesus get tempted with power?

We arej ust as fallen as the kids that followed our first parents it seems. But this mentality needs to be brought into the light.

How is that that so much trafficking of women and children happens? It has to be that it is not a priority to stop it from happening. How is it that we have so many Christian books on everything under the sun and its popular to debate the finer points of end times issues that Jesus professed not to know Himself, at all the while hundreds of thousands are enslaved? I am so grateful for organizations like the International Justice Mission and the media attention this has gotten, but is it just another thing to have correct ideas about or does it change our lives?

Dovegiven, thanks for your work into fetal life. It does seem to me to speak to the idea both that life is G-d breathed at conception and His intimate care with "knitting us in the womb." Look forward to reading more and appreciative of the gift of my own breath.

I think you need to read my post again, slowly, taking a few breaths per sentence. What you commented on my post is not mentioned in mine.

Secondly, I did quite a lot of research about baby floating in amniotic fluid, learned a lot, before posting about it. The baby uses the inhalation/exhalation process to take in the fluid and release it. You can get a minimal start at
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002220.htm

Sorry I meant that for all the recent posts They are getting kind of lopsided Or is that just an old man slipping into delirium? LOL
The question itself is severely bent! Woman was taken out of man. When God breathed life into man He breathed it into woman too. She completes the man and without her he is totally lopsided.

 

[fightngwrmwood]

"Sorry I meant that for all the recent posts They are getting kind of lopsided Or is that just an old man slipping into delirium? LOL
The question itself is severely bent! Woman was taken out of man. When God breathed life into man He breathed it into woman too. She completes the man and without her he is totally lopsided."

Hmm, but this does go back to the Luke and the Matthew. I agree we can both get lopsided without each other, but it is possible to give up for the kingdom, marriage. How necessary is it? Can Jesus really be all we need? I liked a Francis Chan sermon on this where he talks about how little it's actually mentioned in the bible. But then when he goes on to explain the team aspect of it - it is very awesome. These two are NOT lopsided.

Crazylove.org - Sermon : Watermark Marriage Ministry Conference 2015

 

[Bendito]

Bendito - The women are way too interesting, kudos. I am thankful for that.

I find it interesting that we are having this conversation regarding so many of the population of human beings. That this is even a question is saying a lot in itself. I mean, I think what we are getting at is - is there such a thing as a spiritual inferior. It raises a lot of questions about women for me.

Why is it that we need this ranking system? Why did James and John's mother ask for them to be on the right and left? Why did the disciples argue about position? Why did Jesus get tempted with power? To me the answer is the Fall, with 2 guilty parties involved, but if anyone has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there.

The questions that don't seem to have answers for me are as follows: How is that that so much trafficking of women and children happens? Is it all priorities? How is it that we have so many Christian books on everything under the sun and its popular to debate the finer points of end times issues that Jesus professed not to know Himself, at all the while hundreds of thousands are enslaved? I am so grateful for organizations like the International Justice Mission and the media attention this has gotten, but is it just another thing to have correct ideas about or does it change our lives? And is this an open question - that is - we are still waiting for Him because we haven't reached everybody. Is the answer to that last question up to us in part?

Dovegiven, thanks for your work into fetal life. It does seem to me to speak to the idea both that life is G-d breathed at conception and His intimate care with "knitting us in the womb." Look forward to reading more and appreciative of the gift of my own breath.

Sebastian - good to see you back. And that you believe women will be in heaven. I also thank you for your kind words. I am so grateful that we have a just Judge who is the Only Judge and we can trust Him with the right and wrongs.

Why is it that we need this ranking system? Why did James and John's mother ask for them to be on the right and left? Why did the disciples argue about position? Why did Jesus get tempted with power? To me the answer is the Fall, with 2 guilty parties involved, but if anyone has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there.

A ranking system between women and men is a Satanic idea, reminiscent of islam. I've stated above where women and men link. This kind of attitude against women is simply wrong and is not to be tolerated...All this jockeying for position on the part of anybody is based in Pride. Not too bad for handfuls of dirt is it?
Trafficking in women is a major evil, but that is only a part of it. Human trafficking is all inclusive. men women children boys and girls. Slavery has never ended and those guilty of it need the death penalty.

Well the only thing that Jesus says He does not know is the time of His coming for His bride. But all of our questions....All the answers are in the bible. If not specifically, then they are answered by principles. As in "How could we stop sickness on Earth?" By Jesus stripes we were healed We claim it We stand on it. We speak it....etc.

 

[Sebastian]

Off-Topic, (BEFITTED APPOLOGIES):
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Bendito, Thee have been viewed as integritive to a decently admirable extent, and also I sincerely doesn't approve of uneccessary fingerpointing (which I am too often the victim of), but, please, I have to express; "They -need- the death penalty" doesn't sit well with my view of your better sides; surely you don't, when being sober and frank, that you are in any a position at all to make that expression without criticism due by The Creator surely; as such statements of who ought to live or not is not befitted you?

edit; [*[[///(((I am putting the meaning "if they were dead it would be better than if they did not; which is sorta the same as (atleast in the vicinity of) "they ought to be killed")))///]]*].

edit2: edit made during bendito's post here-under so it might be off-touch.

))))))))))))))))))))))))).

 

[Bendito]

"Sorry I meant that for all the recent posts They are getting kind of lopsided Or is that just an old man slipping into delirium? LOL
The question itself is severely bent! Woman was taken out of man. When God breathed life into man He breathed it into woman too. She completes the man and without her he is totally lopsided."

Hmm, but this does go back to the Luke and the Matthew. I agree we can both get lopsided without each other, but it is possible to give up for the kingdom, marriage. How necessary is it? Can Jesus really be all we need? I liked a Francis Chan sermon on this where he talks about how little it's actually mentioned in the bible. But then when he goes on to explain the team aspect of it - it is very awesome. These two are NOT lopsided.

Crazylove.org - Sermon : Watermark Marriage Ministry Conference 2015

I love my wife. I want to do everything with her. She loves being with me. Ready? I cannot meet all of her needs. But they are real needs. So how does she get those needs met? Jesus is the Great I am! He says "Do you need comfort after that big fight with your spouse? That's the I Am that I Am...Do you need finances to get out from under that choking debt? That's the I AM that I AM. Do you need healing? That's the I AM that I AM" Whatever your need, whatever your want...That's the I AM that He AM. So yes...Even with a spouse Jesus can still be all you need. My wife loves me to but Jesus meets my needs. Though her and beside her. Francis Chan was right to a point. If its not specifically mentioned it's mentioned by 'classification' Principles.

 

[fightngwrmwood]

I love my wife. I want to do everything with her. She loves being with me. Ready? I cannot meet all of her needs. But they are real needs. So how does she get those needs met? Jesus is the Great I am! He says "Do you need comfort after that big fight with your spouse? That's the I Am that I Am...Do you need finances to get out from under that choking debt? That's the I AM that I AM. Do you need healing? That's the I AM that I AM" Whatever your need, whatever your want...That's the I AM that He AM. So yes...Even with a spouse Jesus can still be all you need. My wife loves me to but Jesus meets my needs. Though her and beside her. Francis Chan was right to a point. If its not specifically mentioned it's mentioned by 'classification' Principles.

But does one need a spouse? I guess the answer varies but, I don't really know. It seems if you don't have one, you must not need one. I get that married people need the Lord higher than their love for each other, losing their life to gain it, serving Him, but.. What if you are just supposed to serve Him? Or could it be that less can e accomplished because people don't marry when they ought to? Anyway, I am turning in for the night. Thanks all for the "good talk". Hope to continues. And my thanks includes those silent reader prayers out there.

 

[Bendito]

Off-Topic, (BEFITTED APPOLOGIES):
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Bendito, Thee have been viewed as integritive to a decently admirable extent, and also I sincerely doesn't approve of uneccessary fingerpointing (which I am too often the victim of), but, please, I have to express; "They -need- the death penalty" doesn't sit well with my view of your better sides; surely you don't, when being sober and frank, that you are in any a position at all to make that expression without criticism due by The Creator surely; as such statements of who ought to live or not is not befitted you?

edit; [*[[///(((I am putting the meaning "if they were dead it would be better than if they did not; which is sorta the same as (atleast in the vicinity of) "they ought to be killed")))///]]*].

edit2: edit made during bendito's post here-under so it might be off-touch.

))))))))))))))))))))))))).

I have nothing against you at all. I was pointing a finger a the question itself. Not at you so you can relax on that score. We don't see eye to eye on much but...Let me put it this way. If you're good enough for my Jesus, you're more than good enough for me.

I'm sorry my friend that you take offense to my mention of a necessary death penalty. It is in the bible for a good reason. The bible calls for the death penalty for several offenses. If you disagree with it. Talk to God about it. I'm only agreeing with Him.

 

[Sebastian]

First off: The "finger-pointing"in regards to me was just me sorta being,, weeeell... humble doesn't sit right,, buuut... "bringing myself down to offense-opportunable-relatable-if.----pfff.... well...im completely stuck... point being it was not meant that I took offence or thought u were pointing something out about me or anything related to Me. Buuut... yeah... I just saw a behavior (Or rather a intellectual error) which I thought you would transcend when Ye noticed Ye are corrupted (as we all humans are to various degrees on earth now), to an extent which in One's right and frankly sober mind would prohibit such statements of absoluteness concerning such a deeeply serious matter (death sentence). HOWEVER, and now we are going deeper OT; I am not at all aware that the Bible teaches death-sentence (and I still doubt it (or rather; I believe it's from the time before Jesus (that it's in the old testament basically (and due to various reasons derived from that which all it entails think it is an outdated teaching (please tell me if it's from the old testament, and if it's not, where I can read it, unless your memory is hazy about where in the new testament (if its from the NT) you get it due to))))).