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Think of Jesus . Be filled with the love of God. And may a thousand Angels fluff you to sleep
Why is God going to send a strong delusion in the end times?
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How do you explain Judas .
Jesus stated that thier names are written in heaven. And Judas Iscariot's name is specifically mentioned.
Did Jesus make a mistake ?
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How does a person who is a slave unto sin. In bondage to sin. have a freewill, A sinner has a master too, and bond to his lord, in complete submission And have been born into it. and loves darkness rather than light. A creature that has to be taught not to lie, not to steal, not to fight, and not to bite! But must be given Laws with the threat of punishment! A sinner claims they want peace, but in reality they are missionaries of Chaos! History will justify that fact.
{A good example of "Predestination" unto "salvation" Eternal Life". implicitly.}
“The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man having sown good seed in his field. And while the men are sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds in the midst of the wheat, and went away. And when the plants sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared.
And the servants, having approached the master of the house, said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’
And he said to them, ‘An enemy did this.’"
(The weeds are explained. and predestine}(Matt. 13)BLB
"Then having dismissed the crowds, He went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.”
And answering He said, “The One sowing the good seed is the Son of Man; and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the weeds are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy having sown them is the devil; and the harvest is the consummation of the age; and the harvesters are angels.
Therefore, as the weeds are gathered and consumed in fire, so will it be in the consummation of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all the stumbling blocks and those practicing lawlessness, and they will cast them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
The one having ears, let him hear! "My Sheep hears my Voice and I know them and I call them by Name!"
PS. if that do not make your soul shout "Hallelujah"! I do not know what will. Maybe it takes a baseball game, a football game, or basketball game for you to shout, or A Preacher telling you in church to stand up and give praises to GOD! and wave your hands.
Or maybe you do not understand "Predestine" unto eternal life" before the foundation of the Cosmos? Neither have done good or bad but chosen, The elect of the Almighty GOD. before anything ever was created. both visible and invisible, Angels, the air, time or space. and He thought on you! To be chosen to be shape in the image of His Only begotten Son, adopted into His family and to receive a Full shared "Inheritance" a gift he is going to give To His Only begotten SON, that will be express throughout "Eternity" a Glory that has never been known and for ever will be! For behold we are the Manifestation of the Glory of GOD through Jesus Christ our LORD.
When I am among the presence of the true Children of GOD who lives in Sanctification and Holiness, I can speak and feels the Powerful Anointing of The Almighty GOD! The True "Koinonia" that millions of fake and disobedient Christians have never experience! They have no Idea what it means to feel the Precious Oil on the Head that ran down the beard of Arron.
(Psalms 133) ERV.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious oil upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard; that came down upon the skirt of his garments;
Like the dew of Hermon, that cometh down upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
If only many would know of this grace, that falls from heaven. It falls by phone, by text, by post and it will Fall by Thread, or sitting at your dinning room table. or diving your car, to the neighborhood store even walking down a aisle in "Walmart" store! it has fell on me standing next to a stranger at the "Bathroom stall" in a males public Restroom. and we would just look at one another in total amazement! Do feel that" Yessssss! The Love of Jesus and the Power of HIs Holy Ghost will make you cry out "Abba Father" in the deepest of your soul. Total Speechless!
A friend of Mines ask me Chris, how long has it been like this, I told him since the day of Pentecost, and he ask me how long have you had it, I said about 40 years, he said I didn't know it was like this. All these years i was a member of the church, nobody told me, it was like this. Until I talked to you, you were different, I notice you always would be around the round table. You spoke as one with "authority" then i would look around you would have disappeared. Always, You would comment and you would leave. But that day i kept a eye on you and follow you out the door! I wanted to have what you have. And he said; i ask him what kind of Bible he had, I showed you and you told me to throw it over there in the garbage it was brand new, I thought you was crazy. But I said to myself, He said: " I ask God for a guide" so i throw it away and bought the kind of Bible you said buy. And then you told me, Don't call me or talk to me until I read the whole Book!! And skip no words and all the words you don't know what it means, look it up! And He said, I said; you cannot fool me! after 4 years of Tutoring Him in how to read the Bible and how to examine the Biblical text. and rightly divide and study the word of Truth. I drop him and cut Him loose. He text me all the time. for the last three years, I never answer His text or text Him. He is 70 years old. And during his training i never answered any of his questions about God And about the Bible! He was amaze at that. He always would say, when he would ask me a question, i would say, "what are you asking me for, you have all the resources you need, You need no help from any man.
and you don't need me! And he thanks me. and now He does not wonder why I walked alone, yet not alone. For no one can pour that anointing oil upon my breast. No matter how many words they may say: There is no more comforting than the comforting Oil that is pour from the Throne Heaven upon head, upon your breast. It is GOD's Oil. and He knows when to pour it on your head! After you have suffered enough. OR before you begin a certain path that will sure to come, because at that time the journey is too great for thee! And you cannot make it, unless you have a little help, that comes from Heaven.
Now Pastors are always calling Him. this man is a big man not fat big! And he told me no one have ever talked to Him like I talked to him. And he would say to himself, ain't no one going to talk to me like that, and I am not going to call him again. After about two, he said he would called me back, wanted direction into more/ he said when we first started out that i had him reading Theological books about 200 pages, a week, He said he never read a book in his life. after a few months he was reading Theological Books about 300 pages plus, a week and liked it. Then the 1st. time I had him read a book that was over 700 pages in a weeks time, plus His Bible. He could not believe it and enjoyed the reads, They all tied into the Bible and help Him to remember "Scriptures" and his wife complaint was he was always reading. And another new book was in the mail. He said she never complain when he was going to the "casinos' and going out at night. And going flying in His plane. at $200 a pop. But when he started to read those thick books and he would be laughing as he read.It, did not go well. For i did warn him that day would come.
Looking for the day sitting down at the CoronationTable and laughing concerning our journey.
{A good example of "Predestination" unto "salvation" Eternal Life". implicitly.}
“The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man having sown good seed in his field. And while the men are sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds in the midst of the wheat, and went away. And when the plants sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared.
And the servants, having approached the master of the house, said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’
And he said to them, ‘An enemy did this.’"
(The weeds are explained. and predestine}(Matt. 13)BLB
"Then having dismissed the crowds, He went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.”
And answering He said, “The One sowing the good seed is the Son of Man; and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the weeds are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy having sown them is the devil; and the harvest is the consummation of the age; and the harvesters are angels.
Therefore, as the weeds are gathered and consumed in fire, so will it be in the consummation of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all the stumbling blocks and those practicing lawlessness, and they will cast them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
The one having ears, let him hear! "My Sheep hears my Voice and I know them and I call them by Name!"
PS. if that do not make your soul shout "Hallelujah"! I do not know what will. Maybe it takes a baseball game, a football game, or basketball game for you to shout, or A Preacher telling you in church to stand up and give praises to GOD! and wave your hands.
Or maybe you do not understand "Predestine" unto eternal life" before the foundation of the Cosmos? Neither have done good or bad but chosen, The elect of the Almighty GOD. before anything ever was created. both visible and invisible, Angels, the air, time or space. and He thought on you! To be chosen to be shape in the image of His Only begotten Son, adopted into His family and to receive a Full shared "Inheritance" a gift he is going to give To His Only begotten SON, that will be express throughout "Eternity" a Glory that has never been known and for ever will be! For behold we are the Manifestation of the Glory of GOD through Jesus Christ our LORD.
When I am among the presence of the true Children of GOD who lives in Sanctification and Holiness, I can speak and feels the Powerful Anointing of The Almighty GOD! The True "Koinonia" that millions of fake and disobedient Christians have never experience! They have no Idea what it means to feel the Precious Oil on the Head that ran down the beard of Arron.
(Psalms 133) ERV.
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious oil upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard; that came down upon the skirt of his garments;
Like the dew of Hermon, that cometh down upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.
If only many would know of this grace, that falls from heaven. It falls by phone, by text, by post and it will Fall by Thread, or sitting at your dinning room table. or diving your car, to the neighborhood store even walking down a aisle in "Walmart" store! it has fell on me standing next to a stranger at the "Bathroom stall" in a males public Restroom. and we would just look at one another in total amazement! Do feel that" Yessssss! The Love of Jesus and the Power of HIs Holy Ghost will make you cry out "Abba Father" in the deepest of your soul. Total Speechless!
A friend of Mines ask me Chris, how long has it been like this, I told him since the day of Pentecost, and he ask me how long have you had it, I said about 40 years, he said I didn't know it was like this. All these years i was a member of the church, nobody told me, it was like this. Until I talked to you, you were different, I notice you always would be around the round table. You spoke as one with "authority" then i would look around you would have disappeared. Always, You would comment and you would leave. But that day i kept a eye on you and follow you out the door! I wanted to have what you have. And he said; i ask him what kind of Bible he had, I showed you and you told me to throw it over there in the garbage it was brand new, I thought you was crazy. But I said to myself, He said: " I ask God for a guide" so i throw it away and bought the kind of Bible you said buy. And then you told me, Don't call me or talk to me until I read the whole Book!! And skip no words and all the words you don't know what it means, look it up! And He said, I said; you cannot fool me! after 4 years of Tutoring Him in how to read the Bible and how to examine the Biblical text. and rightly divide and study the word of Truth. I drop him and cut Him loose. He text me all the time. for the last three years, I never answer His text or text Him. He is 70 years old. And during his training i never answered any of his questions about God And about the Bible! He was amaze at that. He always would say, when he would ask me a question, i would say, "what are you asking me for, you have all the resources you need, You need no help from any man.
and you don't need me! And he thanks me. and now He does not wonder why I walked alone, yet not alone. For no one can pour that anointing oil upon my breast. No matter how many words they may say: There is no more comforting than the comforting Oil that is pour from the Throne Heaven upon head, upon your breast. It is GOD's Oil. and He knows when to pour it on your head! After you have suffered enough. OR before you begin a certain path that will sure to come, because at that time the journey is too great for thee! And you cannot make it, unless you have a little help, that comes from Heaven.
Now Pastors are always calling Him. this man is a big man not fat big! And he told me no one have ever talked to Him like I talked to him. And he would say to himself, ain't no one going to talk to me like that, and I am not going to call him again. After about two, he said he would called me back, wanted direction into more/ he said when we first started out that i had him reading Theological books about 200 pages, a week, He said he never read a book in his life. after a few months he was reading Theological Books about 300 pages plus, a week and liked it. Then the 1st. time I had him read a book that was over 700 pages in a weeks time, plus His Bible. He could not believe it and enjoyed the reads, They all tied into the Bible and help Him to remember "Scriptures" and his wife complaint was he was always reading. And another new book was in the mail. He said she never complain when he was going to the "casinos' and going out at night. And going flying in His plane. at $200 a pop. But when he started to read those thick books and he would be laughing as he read.It, did not go well. For i did warn him that day would come.
Looking for the day sitting down at the CoronationTable and laughing concerning our journey.
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Hi Bill;
How do I equate that to Jesus also saying that it would have been better had Judas not been born?
I don't know where You go to church, but as we're reading through passages, questions Are asked and we respond back. Rarely does anyone say that they 'don't believe that' because we all believe that the Bible is the Word of God. We all believe in the power of prayer and know when a person has been healed. Maybe you ought to fellowship with those who Do believe that the Bible Is God's Word.
We Do know that the rapture Will take place. We don't have to agree on When it will cause no one Knows except God the Father.
'Deliverance' -- exactly What does that refer To. Being 'delivered' from What.
Salvation is pretty basic.
The 'on and on'. It really doesn't hurt any to Disagree on portions of Scripture. Salvation has eternal significants.
We Know that Jesus Christ doesn't make mistakes. It's not up to 'us' To explain Judas. We are responsible for our Own salvation or lack, thereof.
Judas betrayed Christ. And then he went out and hung himself. It was a unique event in Scripture. Will he be in heaven? whomever ends up there will find out.
So -- are you saying that a person's salvation is based on 'His ways are best"? And because of 'our faithfulness to Him'?
John 14:6 Jesus Christ is telling us that "I am the way, the truth and the life , no man comes to the Father but by Me." What does that mean to You. What did Jesus Christ Do?
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Because Jesus had already stated his ( Judas ) name was written in heaven
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You said " We are respocible for our own salvation " and that is correct .
But if this is true , how can there be ' predestination'
You can not have it both ways .
It is a mystery of God, he already knows how you will choose, but it is still our own choice . It was not chosen for us . Just like the thief on the cross. If he had not spoken up, and kept his thoughts burried inside him. What then
@Bill -- it's because We don't know who Is predestined -- only God does. So -- it still stands that everyone makes their own personal decision to accept or reject God's salvation.
God knows our every thought and action. He knows our heart. Well -- the FACT is that did Not keep those thoughts buried inside of him. The 'what if'? -- in his Heart he Did believe. His actions were his speaking up to the other thief. All three of them were going to die. It was their eternal destination being determined.
For the 'elect' of God -- the 'predestined' of God -- they will, at some point in their life, choose to accept Jesus Christ as their personal SAvior. It might be in the process of dying after living a long life. And 'we' possibly do not really understand the definition of 'predestinated'. What all it Does entail. Probably growing more and more to conform to the image of God through Christ.
God knows our every thought and action. He knows our heart. Well -- the FACT is that did Not keep those thoughts buried inside of him. The 'what if'? -- in his Heart he Did believe. His actions were his speaking up to the other thief. All three of them were going to die. It was their eternal destination being determined.
For the 'elect' of God -- the 'predestined' of God -- they will, at some point in their life, choose to accept Jesus Christ as their personal SAvior. It might be in the process of dying after living a long life. And 'we' possibly do not really understand the definition of 'predestinated'. What all it Does entail. Probably growing more and more to conform to the image of God through Christ.
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I think the part i find frustrating with those who follow the whole notion of predestination. Is that when someone feels they ARE the elect , much like Judas did ( i can do no wrong ) Others who listen to that teaching will fall into one of 2 categories. 1) the person who feels they are worthless , give up completely . And 2 ) those who feel they are " Elect " can do whatever they want, commit sin, because they are the Elect.
I have heard that very teaching a number of times, Spirit Filled people, can sin without consequences. Because they are the Elect . Rubbish
The truth is, Spirit Filled people are held to a greater standard , because they should know better
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We're all predestinated to be saved...ALL Humans
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Hi Sue. You ask a good question. When I said His ways are best, I capitalized his to mean the Good Lord, not the believer.
I agree with you regarding what Jesus did and what the shedding of his blood does for us. Does it give us license to continue life our way dropping in for Easter and Christmas to show we haven't forgotten him? If circumstances change and we harden our hearts against God, will our names remain in the Book of Life? Cheers
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This I can agree with 100%
No one sins without consequences.
The Only way any person 'knows' they are one of God's elect is when they accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. And That Should be a humbling experience -- way of life.
Read the Scripture -- predestination IS Biblical.
How about being Thankful that God has chosen 'us' -- we Are to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen.
That does Not give Anyone 'license' to do Anything. If a person who Says they have been 'saved' , continue to live exactly as they Had been, then there's reason to question what they are Saying. It Should be affecting their life in a Positive way. They Will have a desire to read their Bible and fellowship with other believers on a frequent basis. Not just dropping in for Easter and Christmas.
No -- we're all Not predestined to be saved. Sounds like you believe in universalism. Even God has said that He 'would' that All Would come to a saving knowledge of Himself, but He knows that That won't happen.
So -- nope -- that is Not the case at all.
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But think about it a minute . Judas was present when Peter exclaimed Jesus was the Messiah.
Judas was one of the 12 sent out to the towns, healed people , cast out demons . ( and we know what Jesus states about casting out demons ) this is solid proof Judas was in God , AT THAT TIME !
But like some Christians , who are taught by preachers, no less . Christians who are told , once saved always saved.
This is like a free get out of jail card in peoples minds. Accept Jesus, and you can do anything.
I am sorry , unrepentant sinning takes you out of God's Grace.
And a person who has been given a lot, as Judas or as a Born Again who chooses to sin , are in danger of loosing it all . I. E. Judas
