Rev Autrey
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Why Christians Don't Pray to Jesus:
I am writing this discourse to the Christians who claim Jesus as their Lord and Master, but will not pray to him as their God. Instead, they direct their prayers to another being they call God. They say that since Jesus prayed to him, so do they. But they are wrong. And I will prove it to you. Jesus was talking about himself when he mentioned the Father.
See, God is a single person like us. (Deut. 6:4) (Mark 12:32) James 2:19 states it like this: "You believe that God is one person. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." This has to be true because this is the way he appeared on earth that Christmas day in his incarnation as Emmanuel or "the God who is now with us." And this is the way as ascended to heaven 40 days later. And too, we are made in his image, and we are single persons. Let's say it like this. If a child saw 2-3 men all claiming to be his dad, he would be confused, and so would you. This means that the Trinity is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 parts. The Trinity is in the way he speaks about himself when he speaks to us.
So when Jesus says the "Father sent me", or "I go to the Father," he is speaking of himself by his other name. You see this very plainly in John 5 and other Scriptures. Read it for yourself and you will see what I mean! And when he says "In my Fathers house" in John 14 he is speaking of himself, too. Only in the third person. In fact, every tine he mentions the Father he is talking about himself by his other name. The same is true when he speaks of the Holy Spirit.
And too , they completely forgot what Paul said to the Corinthian Christians in 2 Corinthians 11:2: "For I am jealous for you with the jealousy for God himself. I promised you as a pure bride to one husband, Christ. That is to say, what bride is married to one husband while praying to another. Even the Civil authorities will not permit such a thing.
Then without doubt, they do not believe what John 1:1 says about Jesus: "In the beginning was Jesus … and he was God." And they surely do not believe the words Thomas spoke about Jesus in the Upper Room: "My Lord and my God."
And for sure they don't believe what Paul said of Jesus in Titus 2:13: "... while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."
So before I go on, let me say this: Any God other than Jesus is a false God!
See, Jesus as YHWH God proclaimed himself as the only Savior in Isaiah 45:21-23. "Consult together, argue your case," he said, ". … and state your case that I am not the only true God. … For there is no other God but me, a just God and your only Savior, no not one." And this was long before modern scholars messed thing up by inventing the idea that there is another God besides Jesus. I bet this would upset even the patriot Abraham.
That is to say, the idea of more than one being as God was an Abomination to the prophets of old, and a horrible offense to God himself. And it should be an offense to us. Paul says it like this in Galatians 4:8-9: "Before you Gentiles knew Jesus, you were slaves to so-called gods that are no gods at all. So now that you know Jesus, why do you want to go back again and become slaves to the weak and useless powers of this evil world. "Now we can finally understand what Jesus meant when he said in Matthew 24:15 that the time would come when we would see this Abomination that causes Desolation proclaimed openly in the Church, causing much distress and tribulation, and that we should run away from it. Jesus concludes by saying that unless that time of trouble is cut short, not a single person would be saved.
Jesus continues his dialogue in Isaiah 45, verse 22, by saying: "Let all the world look to me for salvation." And this is is especially true for us today. But then he adds in verse 23: "I have sworn by my own name; I have spoken the truth, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess that I am the only God."
Then to summarize and to say it more plainly so we can understand, Jesus is the Father (John10:30, John14:10). And he is also the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 4:17). In other words, you don't have to say "in the name of Jesus" because God is Jesus. So just say thank you Jesus, and that will be fine!
So who did Jesus pray to?." See, God was God long before he made the angels, man, or any other creature. This means that since there was no one else for God to talk to, God counseled with himself, or as we might say, he talked among himself. (Isaiah 40:14, Job 15:8, Ephesians 1: 11) How long this had been going on I don't know. Only the endless ages of the past can shed light on this.
So when Jesus prayed to the Father in the Garden, this was a continuation of the conversation God has had with himself from eternity. We should understand this because we as people made in his image do this all the time. We say to ourselves "should I go or should I do this" and we answer "yes you should."
To put it in plain English then, God as Jesus asks himself as the Father, "Are you willing for me to do die for these people?" And God as the Father says to God as Jesus, "Yes, I am." And God as Jesus consents and goes to the cross in our place. And as I said, only God as Jesus, being a man too, says it out loud in the form of a prayer. This teaches us that we too should pray in times of stress.
OH I wish we could understand!
What God is doing is talking about himself in a way that reveals (John 17:6) his other 2 names to us so we can get to know him better. This is where most Christians go wrong. They think he is talking about someone else, someone bigger than him, or someone greater than him. But as you can see, he is not.
Remember when Phillip asked Jesus to show him the Father? (John 14) Jesus replied: "Have I been with you all this time, Phillip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. The Father and I are the same person: Translated: the Father is my other name.
Let's say it like this. We are so steeped in the traditions of human logic we have been taught over the years that we try to maintain it at all coast, even in the face of the plain teachings of the Scriptures. And we say, "I hope God will understand." And this is especially true if most of our Christian preachers, and Christian friends and people we know share the same views. This means that most Christians share this false belief, too.
See, Jesus through me is revealing to you some not so well known facts about himself that you have not heard before! And I do hope that you will take them to heart!
We must remember that God as Jesus promised to come to earth and save us from our sins back in the days of Isaiah the prophet. Jesus says through the prophet in Isaiah 35:4-7: "Say to those with fearful hearts, 'Be strong, and do not fear, for your God is coming to destroy your enemies (sin, and Satan and his demons). He is coming to save you. And when he comes, he will open the eyes of the blind and unplug the ears of the deaf. The lame will leap like a dear, and those who cannot speak will sing with joy.'" This verse alone is unmistakable proof that the writer is speaking of God as Jesus and the work that he will do as our Savior.
And to clinch it all the prophet said in Isaiah 9:6-7: "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And his name shall be Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, the Mighty God." Did you get that? The name of this child that was born to us is the Mighty God. Read it for yourself if you dare! And then to conclude this dialogue the prophet says, "His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his father David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the Lord God will make this happen."
So I will conclude with the words of God as Jesus in Revelation 16, 20: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star. … Yes, I am coming soon!"
Stay safe!
Rev. Autrey
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I am writing this discourse to the Christians who claim Jesus as their Lord and Master, but will not pray to him as their God. Instead, they direct their prayers to another being they call God. They say that since Jesus prayed to him, so do they. But they are wrong. And I will prove it to you. Jesus was talking about himself when he mentioned the Father.
See, God is a single person like us. (Deut. 6:4) (Mark 12:32) James 2:19 states it like this: "You believe that God is one person. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." This has to be true because this is the way he appeared on earth that Christmas day in his incarnation as Emmanuel or "the God who is now with us." And this is the way as ascended to heaven 40 days later. And too, we are made in his image, and we are single persons. Let's say it like this. If a child saw 2-3 men all claiming to be his dad, he would be confused, and so would you. This means that the Trinity is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 parts. The Trinity is in the way he speaks about himself when he speaks to us.
So when Jesus says the "Father sent me", or "I go to the Father," he is speaking of himself by his other name. You see this very plainly in John 5 and other Scriptures. Read it for yourself and you will see what I mean! And when he says "In my Fathers house" in John 14 he is speaking of himself, too. Only in the third person. In fact, every tine he mentions the Father he is talking about himself by his other name. The same is true when he speaks of the Holy Spirit.
And too , they completely forgot what Paul said to the Corinthian Christians in 2 Corinthians 11:2: "For I am jealous for you with the jealousy for God himself. I promised you as a pure bride to one husband, Christ. That is to say, what bride is married to one husband while praying to another. Even the Civil authorities will not permit such a thing.
Then without doubt, they do not believe what John 1:1 says about Jesus: "In the beginning was Jesus … and he was God." And they surely do not believe the words Thomas spoke about Jesus in the Upper Room: "My Lord and my God."
And for sure they don't believe what Paul said of Jesus in Titus 2:13: "... while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."
So before I go on, let me say this: Any God other than Jesus is a false God!
See, Jesus as YHWH God proclaimed himself as the only Savior in Isaiah 45:21-23. "Consult together, argue your case," he said, ". … and state your case that I am not the only true God. … For there is no other God but me, a just God and your only Savior, no not one." And this was long before modern scholars messed thing up by inventing the idea that there is another God besides Jesus. I bet this would upset even the patriot Abraham.
That is to say, the idea of more than one being as God was an Abomination to the prophets of old, and a horrible offense to God himself. And it should be an offense to us. Paul says it like this in Galatians 4:8-9: "Before you Gentiles knew Jesus, you were slaves to so-called gods that are no gods at all. So now that you know Jesus, why do you want to go back again and become slaves to the weak and useless powers of this evil world. "Now we can finally understand what Jesus meant when he said in Matthew 24:15 that the time would come when we would see this Abomination that causes Desolation proclaimed openly in the Church, causing much distress and tribulation, and that we should run away from it. Jesus concludes by saying that unless that time of trouble is cut short, not a single person would be saved.
Jesus continues his dialogue in Isaiah 45, verse 22, by saying: "Let all the world look to me for salvation." And this is is especially true for us today. But then he adds in verse 23: "I have sworn by my own name; I have spoken the truth, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will confess that I am the only God."
Then to summarize and to say it more plainly so we can understand, Jesus is the Father (John10:30, John14:10). And he is also the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 4:17). In other words, you don't have to say "in the name of Jesus" because God is Jesus. So just say thank you Jesus, and that will be fine!
So who did Jesus pray to?." See, God was God long before he made the angels, man, or any other creature. This means that since there was no one else for God to talk to, God counseled with himself, or as we might say, he talked among himself. (Isaiah 40:14, Job 15:8, Ephesians 1: 11) How long this had been going on I don't know. Only the endless ages of the past can shed light on this.
So when Jesus prayed to the Father in the Garden, this was a continuation of the conversation God has had with himself from eternity. We should understand this because we as people made in his image do this all the time. We say to ourselves "should I go or should I do this" and we answer "yes you should."
To put it in plain English then, God as Jesus asks himself as the Father, "Are you willing for me to do die for these people?" And God as the Father says to God as Jesus, "Yes, I am." And God as Jesus consents and goes to the cross in our place. And as I said, only God as Jesus, being a man too, says it out loud in the form of a prayer. This teaches us that we too should pray in times of stress.
OH I wish we could understand!
What God is doing is talking about himself in a way that reveals (John 17:6) his other 2 names to us so we can get to know him better. This is where most Christians go wrong. They think he is talking about someone else, someone bigger than him, or someone greater than him. But as you can see, he is not.
Remember when Phillip asked Jesus to show him the Father? (John 14) Jesus replied: "Have I been with you all this time, Phillip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. The Father and I are the same person: Translated: the Father is my other name.
Let's say it like this. We are so steeped in the traditions of human logic we have been taught over the years that we try to maintain it at all coast, even in the face of the plain teachings of the Scriptures. And we say, "I hope God will understand." And this is especially true if most of our Christian preachers, and Christian friends and people we know share the same views. This means that most Christians share this false belief, too.
See, Jesus through me is revealing to you some not so well known facts about himself that you have not heard before! And I do hope that you will take them to heart!
We must remember that God as Jesus promised to come to earth and save us from our sins back in the days of Isaiah the prophet. Jesus says through the prophet in Isaiah 35:4-7: "Say to those with fearful hearts, 'Be strong, and do not fear, for your God is coming to destroy your enemies (sin, and Satan and his demons). He is coming to save you. And when he comes, he will open the eyes of the blind and unplug the ears of the deaf. The lame will leap like a dear, and those who cannot speak will sing with joy.'" This verse alone is unmistakable proof that the writer is speaking of God as Jesus and the work that he will do as our Savior.
And to clinch it all the prophet said in Isaiah 9:6-7: "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And his name shall be Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, the Mighty God." Did you get that? The name of this child that was born to us is the Mighty God. Read it for yourself if you dare! And then to conclude this dialogue the prophet says, "His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his father David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the Lord God will make this happen."
So I will conclude with the words of God as Jesus in Revelation 16, 20: "I Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star. … Yes, I am coming soon!"
Stay safe!
Rev. Autrey
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