Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Brightfame52]

@Brightfame52

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Thats what you need to be concerned with

 

[Brightfame52]

To be Justified by Faith,

Thats is when a Justified person comes into a spiritual apprehension/knowledge and enjoyment of the Justification and reconciliation which Christ has wrought for us to God, so by Faith we come to know Spiritually that God is our God, and we are in His favor . Our Faith didn't cause that, but reveals and receives that. 40

 

[KingJ]

To be Justified by Faith,

Thats is when a Justified person comes into a spiritual apprehension/knowledge and enjoyment of the Justification and reconciliation which Christ has wrought for us to God, so by Faith we come to know Spiritually that God is our God, and we are in His favor . Our Faith didn't cause that, but reveals and receives that. 40

You've simply redefined "justified by faith."

The Bible never says justification by faith means becoming aware of a justification that already existed. That's your theological definition, not the biblical one. (The Terror of Standing Before God as a False Teacher)

Romans 5:1 doesn't say, "Therefore, realizing we were already justified..." It says, "Therefore being justified by faith..."

Likewise, Acts 13:39 says, "By him all that believe are justified," not "By him all that believe discover they were already justified."

You're asking me to accept your definition first, then read it back into every passage on justification. Can you provide one verse that defines "justified by faith" as merely becoming aware of a justification that already existed?

 

[KingJ]

Yes it does, I utilized the scripture, i cant help it if you cant receive it.

No, it doesn't.

Quoting Scripture does not automatically prove your interpretation of Scripture. Every false teacher quotes Scripture. The question is whether the passage actually teaches what you claim.

I've repeatedly asked you for one verse that says a person is justified before believing. Instead, you keep quoting passages about election, promise, and heirship, then concluding they teach justification before faith.

That's an inference, not an explicit statement. (The Terror of Standing Before God as a False Teacher)

If your doctrine is biblical, then there should be at least one passage that plainly says people are justified before they believe. Can you produce one?

 

[Brightfame52]

We receive Justification by Faith when Gods sentence of Justification He has for us because of the blood of Christ shed for us, when that sentence terminates in our sanctified hearts and minds, which persuades us to believe in Jesus Christ. So we receive Justification by the effectual persuasion of our minds and hearts to believe in Jesus for what He has already accomplished. Read what Paul says here 1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

The word assurance is the greek word plērophoria:

1. full assurance, most certain confidence,
   • to be persuaded, persuaded, fully convinced or assured

So to be Justified by Faith is when we have been persuaded that God Justifed us on the basis of Christs blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him 40

 

[KingJ]

We receive Justification by Faith when Gods sentence of Justification He has for us because of the blood of Christ shed for us, when that sentence terminates in our sanctified hearts and minds, which persuades us to believe in Jesus Christ. So we receive Justification by the effectual persuasion of our minds and hearts to believe in Jesus for what He has already accomplished. Read what Paul says here 1 Thess 1:5

For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

The word assurance is the greek word plērophoria:

1. full assurance, most certain confidence,
   • to be persuaded, persuaded, fully convinced or assured

So to be Justified by Faith is when we have been persuaded that God Justifed us on the basis of Christs blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him 40

BF, you're still assuming the very thing you're trying to prove.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 says the gospel came in power, in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance. It says nothing about people already being justified before they believed.

Likewise, Romans 5:9 says we are justified by Christ's blood. Amen. But the question is not what grounds our justification. The question is when we are justified.

Romans 5:1 says, "Therefore being justified by faith..." Acts 13:39 says, "by him all that believe are justified." Neither passage says faith is merely discovering a justification that already existed.

You keep defining "justified by faith" as becoming persuaded that you were already justified. Can you provide a verse that actually defines it that way?

Because so far you've shown that Christ's blood is the basis of justification and that believers can have assurance. Neither of those proves that people were justified before they believed.

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