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Where is the Garden of Eden?

The word "cherub" which protects the way to this garden would mean "a Angel" Angles are "messengers". Jesus is known as the "Angel of the Lord" in the Old Testament. The Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in the flaming bush, yet this Angel "identified" himself as the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and as the "I am"
In the New Testament we hear Jesus claiming to be the "door", and also the "way" into this sheep fold. No one can come to God the Father without going through this "door".
Could Jesus be this Angel (messenger) that has been protecting the way back into this garden where God is, and the tree of life?
 
(CEV) Apollos and I work together for God, and you are God's garden and God's building.

Complete Word Study:
geo??rgion; gen. geo?rgíou, neut. noun from geo?rgós (G1092), a farmer A tilled field, farm (Sept.: Pro_24:30; Pro_31:16). Used metaphorically of Christians (1Co_3:9).
Syn.: agrós (G68), a cultivated field; cho??ra (G5561), land, country, field; cho?ríon (G5564), a piece of land, field.


Strongs
gheh-ore'-ghee-on
Neuter of a (presumed) derivative of G1092; cultivable, that is, a farm: - husbandry.

Agreed, I was going off the word you had high-lighted in post #53. Sorry about the confusion.
 
God was blessing mankind. The first words God spoke to man was Blessing! Now how sweet is that?

I think we were meant to be blessed in the beginning. But after the fall... I have a hard time accepting Gen 3:14-19; as a blessing.
 
I do not believe it exists either, but have no scripture to back that up. The Old Testament promise land was a "type" of the spiritual promised land in which born again Christians have been translated into by Jesus Christ other than "Joshua" who led the Israel in the physical promise land.

Of course Joshua himself is often called a "type" of Christ. In that he led them into the promised land.
I think whenever there is a "type" of something or someone in the Bible... then the physical manifestation
of that thing had to actually exist.

I'm not saying you're doing this... but some people over-spiritualize scripture to the point that it isn't
really scripture any more.

I've heard people say that Adam wasn't really a real man. Adam is just an abstract of society at that time.
Adam in just "men in general". Well if that's true.....

Rom 5:12; Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Rom 5:13; for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14; Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Rom 5:15; But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Rom 5:16; The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
Rom 5:17; For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18; So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Rom 5:19; For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

The problem becomes... if sin was brought into the world by "an abstract of society... (all men in general)"..
Then are we also saved by an abstract of society... by certain men in general ... or are we saved by one individual man.
(Jesus).

Adam is called a type (verse 14) but he was also a real man.
 
Of course Joshua himself is often called a "type" of Christ. In that he led them into the promised land.
I think whenever there is a "type" of something or someone in the Bible... then the physical manifestation
of that thing had to actually exist.

I'm not saying you're doing this... but some people over-spiritualize scripture to the point that it isn't
really scripture any more.

I've heard people say that Adam wasn't really a real man. Adam is just an abstract of society at that time.
Adam in just "men in general". Well if that's true.....

Rom 5:12; Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Rom 5:13; for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 5:14; Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Rom 5:15; But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Rom 5:16; The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
Rom 5:17; For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18; So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Rom 5:19; For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

The problem becomes... if sin was brought into the world by "an abstract of society... (all men in general)"..
Then are we also saved by an abstract of society... by certain men in general ... or are we saved by one individual man.
(Jesus).

Adam is called a type (verse 14) but he was also a real man.
Yes, Joshua was a "type" of Christ, and Jesus, Joshua both led people into their perspective promise lands. Being able show spiritual blind people spiritual things, God uses physical things as a type. Like faith being a "seed". Faith is not a seed, but works like a seed. Like it says here about physical things.......

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 
I think we were meant to be blessed in the beginning. But after the fall... I have a hard time accepting Gen 3:14-19; as a blessing.

Does God take back the gifts He gives?! Uh...no. Romans 11:28-32 (CJB)
28 With respect to the Good News they are hated for your sake. But with respect to being chosen they are loved for the Patriarchs’ sake, 29 for God’s free gifts and his calling are irrevocable. 30 Just as you yourselves were disobedient to God before but have received mercy now because of Isra’el’s disobedience; 31 so also Isra’el has been disobedient now, so that by your showing them the same mercy that God has shown you, they too may now receive God’s mercy. 32 For God has shut up all mankind together in disobedience, in order that he might show mercy to all.
Gods gifts to you are still on the table....Will you pick them up? Or will you tell God that Jesus dying is not enough to make you worthy?
 
If the garden still exists, is there a chance that paradise (that Christ spoke of to the thief) and the garden are the same? I think they are likely different, but I have heard some theories that they are one, and that while we were in the garden, we had some greater spiritual body like Christ had shortly after He had risen and told some not to touch him then. And that when we were given animal skins to wear after the fall, it was actually our own skins housing our less spiritual body. But its all hearsay to me, something to wonder about, but not much really as we cant find out more info that we can trust.
 
Does God take back the gifts He gives?! Uh...no. Romans 11:28-32 (CJB)

Perhaps not the gifts, but definitely the blessings.

The Lord gives, and He takes away. ( Job 1:21; )
God removes things from us if we don't repent ( Rev 2:5; )
If we take away from God's Word... He will take away from us ( Rev 22:19; )
Sometimes God simply takes things away from us ( Luke 19:26; Luke 8:18; )
Sometimes God even removes gladness and joy from those who become wicked ( Jer 48:33; )
In Hosea 2:9; Israel is acting wickedly and God (the same God in Genesis) takes away their grain, their wine,
their flax, and their wool.

God tells the serpent he is cursed ( Gen 3:14; ) a curse is not a blessing.
God tells Adam the ground is cursed because of him ( Gen 3:17; ) again a curse is not a blessing.

God says he will curse those who curse Israel ( Gen 12:3; Gen 27:29; )
God told the Israelites that He will curse anyone who doesn't keep His commandments ( Deut 28:15; )

There are dozens more...
Sometimes God takes away things from us. ( Job 1 ) even our possessions, and family.
Even the freedom of an entire nation (how many times did He let Israel go into slavery and bondage?)
God can erase our future and our blessings ( Rev 3:5; Rev 22:19; )

He who conceals his sins will not prosper Prov 28:13;
 
Perhaps not the gifts, but definitely the blessings.

The Lord gives, and He takes away. ( Job 1:21; )
God removes things from us if we don't repent ( Rev 2:5; )
If we take away from God's Word... He will take away from us ( Rev 22:19; )
Sometimes God simply takes things away from us ( Luke 19:26; Luke 8:18; )
Sometimes God even removes gladness and joy from those who become wicked ( Jer 48:33; )
In Hosea 2:9; Israel is acting wickedly and God (the same God in Genesis) takes away their grain, their wine,
their flax, and their wool.

God tells the serpent he is cursed ( Gen 3:14; ) a curse is not a blessing.
God tells Adam the ground is cursed because of him ( Gen 3:17; ) again a curse is not a blessing.

God says he will curse those who curse Israel ( Gen 12:3; Gen 27:29; )
God told the Israelites that He will curse anyone who doesn't keep His commandments ( Deut 28:15; )

There are dozens more...
Sometimes God takes away things from us. ( Job 1 ) even our possessions, and family.
Even the freedom of an entire nation (how many times did He let Israel go into slavery and bondage?)
God can erase our future and our blessings ( Rev 3:5; Rev 22:19; )

He who conceals his sins will not prosper Prov 28:13;

Wow! Do you know how God works? He sets it up. And if you line up with Him you are 'in the blessing zone' If you set yourself against Him you are outside the borders He set up. He is Light. If you stay in the light you stay in the 'blessing zone' but if you step out of the light, into the darkness, well....that's where the monsters live...YOU choose blessings or cursings. God gives life...Blessings, but Satan brings death.. cursings

Colossians 1:12
giving thanks to the Father for having made you fit to share in the inheritance of his people in the light.

1 John 1:7
But if we are walking in the light, as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of his Son Yeshua purifies us from all sin.

1 John 2:10
The person who keeps loving his brother remains in the light, and there is nothing in him that could make him trip.

Just three verses that say that you need to stay in the light. I'll bet you can find more.....None say that you are cursed for walking in LIGHT
 
Wow! Do you know how God works? He sets it up. And if you line up with Him you are 'in the blessing zone' If you set yourself against Him you are outside the borders He set up. He is Light. If you stay in the light you stay in the 'blessing zone' but if you step out of the light, into the darkness, well....that's where the monsters live...YOU choose blessings or cursings. God gives life...Blessings, but Satan brings death.. cursings

I am just curious... did Job step out of the light into the darkness?
 
I am just curious... did Job step out of the light into the darkness?
Was Job perfect? No...I read at one place where he said "That which I feared...." Walking in fear is not walking in the Light... Still Job was a case of special learning for us.. God allowed Job to be tested by Satan...God allowed Satan to have his way except for killing Job. I wonder what would have happened there, if Job had not been walking in fear. What would have happened if Job had trusted God to take care of his family...

So to answer your question...Yes Job did step out of the Light.
 
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