Where is the Garden of Eden?

[Bendito]

I was writing this morning and it occurred to me that the Garden is STILL where God put it. The physical destription or directions to it are clearly stated in the bible. Genesis 2:8-14.... Four rivers, all coming from one at the garden. So the garden is at the very head of these four rivers right? Right. So several researchers have journeyed there to find it. Nothing! What goes here on? Is it gone now? Let's look at it. God chased Adam out of the garden.....He set an angel with a flaming sword to guard against anyone coming in and getting access to the tree of life.
24 So he drove the man out, and he placed at the east of the garden of ‘Eden the k’ruvim and a flaming sword which turned in every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.
Question.....If God gave the location of the Garden, why can nobody find it?
Question.... If the garden is gone, why is there an angel guarding it to keep us mortals from accessing the tree of life
Question.... If God set a guard to keep us out that wouldn't that mean it's still there, yet nobody can find it....Why not?
Last question.....Why did God kick Adam out of the garden? Anger or loving mercy?

 

[jennifer]

I think the Garden of Eden might occur when we are purified because Adam and Eva both are holy when they lived in Eden.

 

[Bendito]

I think the Garden of Eden might occur when we are purified because Adam and Eva both are holy when they lived in Eden.

This could be too...But if there is an angel guarding the way in....would that not mean its accessible, findable?

 

[amadeus2]

"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Gen 3:24

The flaming sword is the Word of God. To see the garden and to enter the garden we must go through the Word of God. There is no other way. What is it that a two edged sword does? Does it not kill the evil things and defend the good things?
What is it that the consuming fire which is God does? Does it not burn up the evil things and protect the good things.

What is inside the that garden, but the Tree of Life. In order to eat of that tree and live for ever, must we not go through the Word and God and the very fire of God to approach it and partake of its fruit?

A trip to the Middle East is not necessary to get to the Tree of Life:

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Jesus is the Gate to the garden and He is the Sword (Word of God) and He is the Tree of Life.

 

[Bendito]

Amadeus my good friend...Do you really think it could be so ethereal or could it be an actual tree in paradise?
Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God put two trees in the garden.

Genesis 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

So my question stands....Where is the garden? I assure you that I only have opinions....no fact

 

[B-A-C]

In Rev 21:10; we see the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven.
The next 17 verses ( 10-27 ) give a description of it.
This continues on into Rev 22 where it talks about the throne of God and of the Lamb
(which are in the New Jerusalem) It then talks about a crystal clear river (of the water of life)
coming out from the throne of God. It says "in the middle of it's street". Then on either side of the river
was the tree of life (does this both sides?) and that the the tree of life is bearing 12 kinds of fruit, it yields
its fruit every month. Some say all 12 fruits are yielded simultaneously... others say, every month has a different fruit.

It says the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. Apparently the fruit gives eternal life,
but the leaves only give healing.

The thought is, if there is no more pain, sorrow and suffering for believers, who are these people who need to be healed?
Who are these "nations"? (apparently non-believers). Who are the people in Rev 21:26-27;? Who are these
unclean people who practice abominations and lying? Satan and the beast have already been cast into the lake of fire
at this time. Who are the people in Rev 22:15; ?

The spring of the water of life are also mentioned in Rev 21:6;
The tree of life is also mentioned in Rev 22:14; and Rev 22:19; it seems only certain people will be able to eat from the tree of life
and enter the gates (to the New Jerusalem). The rest of the people (liars and idolaters) will have to stay outside.

Many believe that the people outside the gates will the people that Jesus and the saints are ruling over.
(The Bible says some will rule and reign with Him).
These are people toiling in the garden.

Some take Isa 35:6-7; to be a prophecy that the desert lands of Arabia will be restored to Eden. "The waters will break forth
in the wilderness".

In Gen 2 it mentions 4 rivers that come out of Eden, the location of two of those rivers is still known today.
(Tigris and Euphrates) the other two are lost and unknown.

Some take Isa 35:8-10; to be a prophecy of "the street" or highway of holiness mentioned in Rev 22:2;
Just like in rev, nobody who is unclean can walk on this highway.
The ones who can walk on it... have everlasting joy and gladness. All sorrow and sighing will be gone.
This sounds a lot like Rev 7:17; and Rev 21:4;

 

[Dovegiven]

The garden was provided for a sinless Adam, manager over all earth. Once driven out, fleshly men were excluded from such blessings from God. The entry was guarded. Later came the flood in Noah's time, by which time the garden ought to have been removed. That was a perfect means to do that. The Tree of Life was symbolic of Christ of God, Jesus, which was removed from any possibility of any person partaking while spiritually dead. That would have the world full of damned zombies that can't die due to the effects of that one tree leaf. Think of how wealthy and powerful some family that claimed rights to that tree would be today! Every wicked Hitler type would live forever pestering everyone on earth forever. By now the earth would be a glowing mass of nuclear fusion.

In Revelation we find that tree in heaven.... There it is described as having both physical, and having spiritual significance. To get there requires tasting of Jesus before the flesh dies. There can't be a requirement to keep eating of those leaves to remain saved. To continue eating them in eternity is to taste even more of the marvelous Christ in us here.

God showed Moses how to build the tabernacle perfectly to his pleasing, after the pattern God showed him, that exists in Heaven. The more Bible I read, the more apparent it is to me that whatever God wants here on earth is here and at the same time in Heaven. We are supposed to be praying that his will is done on earth as it is in heaven. We should want everything good in heaven to be here. That would make earth far more filled with God's blessings. So it is the blessed Garden of Eden should have already existed in Heaven. It was there meant for the righteous, and once offered here for that one sinless man God formed.

 

[amadeus2]

Amadeus my good friend...Do you really think it could be so ethereal or could it be an actual tree in paradise?
Revelation 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God put two trees in the garden.

Genesis 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

So my question stands....Where is the garden? I assure you that I only have opinions....no fact

We may well ask that question and many others, but unless God gives us the answer, what can we know?

What if it is within us as Jesus is within us? If that is the case then will we not be able to see it? We can see it in any case if the we been given by God eyes to see it. If we haven't, we cannot. I also only have opinions or perhaps better said, beliefs, except with regard to those things on which God has given me knowledge.

 

[Dovegiven]

We may well ask that question and many others, but unless God gives us the answer, what can we know?

What if it is within us as Jesus is within us? If that is the case then will we not be able to see it? We can see it in any case if the we been given by God eyes to see it. If we haven't, we cannot. I also only have opinions or perhaps better said, beliefs, except with regard to those things on which God has given me knowledge.

How can Jesus and one of us be anywhere that God cast man from and gave no promise of an authorized return?

 

[amadeus2]

How can Jesus and one of us be anywhere that God cast man from and gave no promise of an authorized return?

God has always been open to return anyone to where He has always wanted them to be. Very few have throughout the times of men been willing to do what He had required. But... there have been a few. Revelation speaks of overcomers:

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

 

[Shutterbug]

My understanding is that the estimated geographic location for Eden is in Iraq, previously Assyria. According to Scripture, a river flowed from Eden which then split into four rivers. Two rivers exist today, the Euphrates and Tigris. The Gihon and Pison no longer exist. A lot has happened since then to influence their source and flow.

Adam and Eve existed in the Garden for approximately 30 years and were then evicted to take up residence elsewhere. Regardless of what one reads into the saga, Mankind will never again experience in this life the closeness of its Creator in the same manner which Adam and Eve enjoyed.

 

[Bendito]

We may well ask that question and many others, but unless God gives us the answer, what can we know?

What if it is within us as Jesus is within us? If that is the case then will we not be able to see it? We can see it in any case if the we been given by God eyes to see it. If we haven't, we cannot. I also only have opinions or perhaps better said, beliefs, except with regard to those things on which God has given me knowledge.

You asked "We may well ask that question and many others, but unless God gives us the answer, what can we know?"
God did give us the ability to put facts in a line and draw a conclusion from them.

If its within us, why would God put an angel with a flaming sword to keep us out of us?
I agree....This is not a discussion based on Word. Its just a discussion and it is really not important at this time. I do find the question intriguing though

 

[Bendito]

My understanding is that the estimated geographic location for Eden is in Iraq, previously Assyria. According to Scripture, a river flowed from Eden which then split into four rivers. Two rivers exist today, the Euphrates and Tigris. The Gihon and Pison no longer exist. A lot has happened since then to influence their source and flow.

Adam and Eve existed in the Garden for approximately 30 years and were then evicted to take up residence elsewhere. Regardless of what one reads into the saga, Mankind will never again experience in this life the closeness of its Creator in the same manner which Adam and Eve enjoyed.

Too true. We'll have to step out of these bodies first. LOL

 

[amadeus2]

You asked "We may well ask that question and many others, but unless God gives us the answer, what can we know?"
God did give us the ability to put facts in a line and draw a conclusion from them.

Yes, but if we are not submitted completely to the Holy Spirit can we get the answer by our intellect? In submitting to the Holy Spirit are we not submitting to God's will? What if it is not God's will for us to know that answer? Man's own will had been the problem since the Garden of Eden. Consider it from Jesus's point of view while in carnal flesh:

Jesus said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39

If its within us, why would God put an angel with a flaming sword to keep us out of us?

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:21-23

The flaming sword is the Word of God which is Jesus, is it not? We have to go through Him to get to the Tree of Life which is also Him, do we not? Confusing, isn't it? Yet when we are "in Him" it is really so simply, isn't it?

I agree....This is not a discussion based on Word. Its just a discussion and it is really not important at this time. I do find the question intriguing though

Be intrigued, but trust in God alone. I am not arguing with you or disagreeing with you by the way. Sometimes we simply need to consider again what we are doing, or not doing.

 

[Dovegiven]

The scriptures have "the" tree of life on each side of the river of life in the holy city, New Jerusalem, described twice in Rev 22. That tree was not off limits to Adam and Eve until after disobeying over the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The cherubims and flaming sword was placed at the entrance to keep man from eating of it in his fallen state. Otherwise every human, good and bad, would still be alive.

Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV)
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I had not noticed that before. It wasn't that Adam was kept out of the garden per se, but to keep him from that tree. I suppose that tree wasn't transplanted to a secret location on earth, lest someone stumble upon it, like how God took Moses up on some mountain to die and be buried by him. So as long as there's a lost person on earth it wouldn't make sense to leave that tree here. I can conclude from scripture it isn't the will of God for anyone on earth to reach, take and eat of that tree until arriving in New Jerusalem.

Come the new earth I can imagine seed from the fruit of the heavenly tree of life being planted all over earth, not only in a new garden.

 

[Bendito]

Yes, but if we are not submitted completely to the Holy Spirit can we get the answer by our intellect? In submitting to the Holy Spirit are we not submitting to God's will? What if it is not God's will for us to know that answer? Man's own will had been the problem since the Garden of Eden. Consider it from Jesus's point of view while in carnal flesh:

Jesus said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39



"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:21-23

The flaming sword is the Word of God which is Jesus, is it not? We have to go through Him to get to the Tree of Life which is also Him, do we not? Confusing, isn't it? Yet when we are "in Him" it is really so simply, isn't it?



Be intrigued, but trust in God alone. I am not arguing with you or disagreeing with you by the way. Sometimes we simply need to consider again what we are doing, or not doing.

You're a wise man Amadeus

 

[amadeus2]

You're a wise man Amadeus

Give God the glory!

 

[Dovegiven]

Yes, but if we are not submitted completely to the Holy Spirit can we get the answer by our intellect? In submitting to the Holy Spirit are we not submitting to God's will? What if it is not God's will for us to know that answer? Man's own will had been the problem since the Garden of Eden. Consider it from Jesus's point of view while in carnal flesh:

Jesus said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39[?QUOTE]

Consider that Jesus was totally informed and prepared for the cross, but in that moment expressing his flesh desire that if a more tolerable plan could be applied, let it happen. Jesus was fully aware, had no doubts or even questions of the Father concerning the cross. Matthew 17:9 (KJV)
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.


The flaming sword is the Word of God which is Jesus, is it not? We have to go through Him to get to the Tree of Life which is also Him, do we not? Confusing, isn't it? Yet when we are "in Him" it is really so simply, isn't it?

I read of his double edged sword. That flaming sword was not a welcome sign. It was to exclude man. The word of God draws.

The tree was available to Adam for the purpose of allowing mortal flesh man to live on earth or anywhere else in creation forever. It is never linked to salvation, else the Lord would have certainly escorted Adam and Eve to it rather than drive them from it.

 

[Dovegiven]

So where is it? It's not on earth. The flood would have destroyed it. Why destroy such a nice place? Because it would have become a shrine, an object of worship. That serpent on the pole that Moses made in Numbers 21 was destroyed by king Hezekiah according to 2 Kings 18:3-4 (KJV) 3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Moses' tent tabernacle is not to be found. The Ark of the covenant is not found. Solomon's magnificent temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, so was it's replacement, Herod's Temple.. Moses' body was buried secretly by God. Jesus' cross is not found, the Lord so kind to the world. There is nothing certain, without dispute, that should be venerated as like an idol. There's a pool in Jerusalem where many people worship, but if you spend enough time there you will be shown many more ancient pools that might be the actual ones mentioned in the Bible. People visit weeping statues and worship before them.

Nehushtans of copper or anything else that becomes an idol are not good for people past God's original intent. God lets stuff go for our good.

 

[Brad Huber]

So where is it? It's not on earth. The flood would have destroyed it. Why destroy such a nice place? Because it would have become a shrine, an object of worship. That serpent on the pole that Moses made in Numbers 21 was destroyed by king Hezekiah according to 2 Kings 18:3-4 (KJV) 3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Moses' tent tabernacle is not to be found. The Ark of the covenant is not found. Solomon's magnificent temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, so was it's replacement, Herod's Temple.. Moses' body was buried secretly by God. Jesus' cross is not found, the Lord so kind to the world. There is nothing certain, without dispute, that should be venerated as like an idol. There's a pool in Jerusalem where many people worship, but if you spend enough time there you will be shown many more ancient pools that might be the actual ones mentioned in the Bible. People visit weeping statues and worship before them.

Nehushtans of copper or anything else that becomes an idol are not good for people past God's original intent. God lets stuff go for our good.

So you and no other man knows its location. Its not sin to wonder, or even speculate. Its only sin if it becomes more important than serving God. Would you have us all ignorant of all things for fear of how they can be used for evil? It is our lot on this fallen plain to discern between good and evil and choose wisely, very rare the subject that we should not even speak of.