Where is the Garden of Eden?

[Bendito]

So where is it? It's not on earth. The flood would have destroyed it. Why destroy such a nice place? Because it would have become a shrine, an object of worship. That serpent on the pole that Moses made in Numbers 21 was destroyed by king Hezekiah according to 2 Kings 18:3-4 (KJV) 3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Moses' tent tabernacle is not to be found. The Ark of the covenant is not found. Solomon's magnificent temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, so was it's replacement, Herod's Temple.. Moses' body was buried secretly by God. Jesus' cross is not found, the Lord so kind to the world. There is nothing certain, without dispute, that should be venerated as like an idol. There's a pool in Jerusalem where many people worship, but if you spend enough time there you will be shown many more ancient pools that might be the actual ones mentioned in the Bible. People visit weeping statues and worship before them.

Nehushtans of copper or anything else that becomes an idol are not good for people past God's original intent. God lets stuff go for our good.

Good post...I believe the Garden still exists and as you say. It's no longer on the Earth. Imagine all the people trying to worship a place, and yes, you're right. They would

 

[Dovegiven]

So you and no other man knows its location. Its not sin to wonder, or even speculate. Its only sin if it becomes more important than serving God. Would you have us all ignorant of all things for fear of how they can be used for evil? It is our lot on this fallen plain to discern between good and evil and choose wisely, very rare the subject that we should not even speak of.

The Garden of Eden was made for Adam to live in. It wasn't promised for anyone else, but of course his wife was eligible. Adam disqualified himself, so was driven out. That was the end of the garden's purpose. The Tree of Life is in Heaven too, so there would be no reason to preserve it on earth.

The flood of Genesis 7-8 ended that old world, leaving no trace of air breathers not found on Noah's ark. Most of the former vegetation and moving creatures wound up being coal or oil, methane, etc. The surface of Earth was dramatically altered, sheared smooth by the waves. Had Eden been spared it would not have been necessary for Noah to prepare the ark and preserve the animals, as the Garden had some of all animals.

Just a thought. :whistle

 

[Dovegiven]

Good post...I believe the Garden still exists and as you say. It's no longer on the Earth. Imagine all the people trying to worship a place, and yes, you're right. They would

Look at what we do know about Heaven. 1500 square miles, and 1500 miles high, with 12 floors. That combined area would cover most of the United States. God's holy mountain is in there, probably in the center, where his throne is, and that tabernacle Moses was shown to pattern the earthly tabernacle by. There's the river of life supplying it all, with trees of life on its banks. I believe the Crystal Sea makes up the headwaters of that river. On each floor are the streets of gold, with mansions lining them. We might each have considerable space of garden around each mansion, but I figure the prime view for all residents will be the balcony facing where God is. What a view that will be!

Back here on earth there will come the time when there will be no oceans, just pleasant land with lots of streams, no dangerous rivers and flooding, no separation of people from traveling to worship the Lord at New Jerusalem set on earth. Nobody will need a weapon to travel. A lion might offer a ride on his back, a pair of lambs his travel companions.

I can't get excited about maybe setting foot in the Garden of Eden on earth when thinking of what I know is promised to overcomers. I don't have a clue where Heaven is now, but know that holy city and all its wonders are there.

 

[Bendito]

Look at what we do know about Heaven. 1500 square miles, and 1500 miles high, with 12 floors. That combined area would cover most of the United States. God's holy mountain is in there, probably in the center, where his throne is, and that tabernacle Moses was shown to pattern the earthly tabernacle by. There's the river of life supplying it all, with trees of life on its banks. I believe the Crystal Sea makes up the headwaters of that river. On each floor are the streets of gold, with mansions lining them. We might each have considerable space of garden around each mansion, but I figure the prime view for all residents will be the balcony facing where God is. What a view that will be!

Back here on earth there will come the time when there will be no oceans, just pleasant land with lots of streams, no dangerous rivers and flooding, no separation of people from traveling to worship the Lord at New Jerusalem set on earth. Nobody will need a weapon to travel. A lion might offer a ride on his back, a pair of lambs his travel companions.

I can't get excited about maybe setting foot in the Garden of Eden on earth when thinking of what I know is promised to overcomers. I don't have a clue where Heaven is now, but know that holy city and all its wonders are there.

Yes and that's only the New Jerusalem. Wait till you see heaven!

 

[Dovegiven]

Yes and that's only the New Jerusalem. Wait till you see heaven!

I figure that's more like a wonderful planet. It wouldn't make sense for those twelve gates opening up into outer space.

The holy city will be put on this earth to be made a New Earth just before that, those gates opening up to a big world full of people.

 

[Bendito]

I figure that's more like a wonderful planet. It wouldn't make sense for those twelve gates opening up into outer space.

The holy city will be put on this earth to be made a New Earth just before that, those gates opening up to a big world full of people.

When Jesus rules on the Earth for a thousand years with His bride....The bride needs a place to live...The New Jerusalem! 2,250,000 square miles! That's a city and this number does not measure the upper levels

 

[amadeus2]

I read of his double edged sword. That flaming sword was not a welcome sign. It was to exclude man. The word of God draws.

The tree was available to Adam for the purpose of allowing mortal flesh man to live on earth or anywhere else in creation forever. It is never linked to salvation, else the Lord would have certainly escorted Adam and Eve to it rather than drive them from it.

What is salvation? Is it not linked to never dying and living forever rather than remaining dead? The Word of God draws, but it also cuts off dead and evil parts. It kills the "old man" of each of us if allowed to work in us through the Holy Ghost.

Consider the three Hebrews in Daniel chapter 3. When they were thrown into the fiery furnace, the flames did not singe a single hair of them, yet that same fire killed the strong men who merely approached the fire to throw them in... I would guess that the strong men were not wearing the right kind of armour.

"For our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29

"She [wisdom] is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her." Prov 3:18

"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life:" Prov 15:4

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." rev 22:14

 

[Bendito]

What is salvation? Is it not linked to never dying and living forever rather than remaining dead? The Word of God draws, but it also cuts off dead and evil parts. It kills the "old man" of each of us if allowed to work in us through the Holy Ghost.

Consider the three Hebrews in Daniel chapter 3. When they were thrown into the fiery furnace, the flames did not singe a single hair of them, yet that same fire killed the strong men who merely approached the fire to throw them in... I would guess that the strong men were not wearing the right kind of armour.

"For our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29

"She [wisdom] is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her." Prov 3:18

"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life:" Prov 15:4

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." rev 22:14

The double edged sword is metaphorical while the flaming sword was or is an actual thing. When man is born again (women too) the old man dies right there, on the spot..What we want to do next is to work out that salvation by forming new thought patterns and habit based on the Word.

 

[Dovegiven]

What is salvation? Is it not linked to never dying and living forever rather than remaining dead? The Word of God draws, but it also cuts off dead and evil parts. It kills the "old man" of each of us if allowed to work in us through the Holy Ghost.

Consider the three Hebrews in Daniel chapter 3. When they were thrown into the fiery furnace, the flames did not singe a single hair of them, yet that same fire killed the strong men who merely approached the fire to throw them in... I would guess that the strong men were not wearing the right kind of armour.

"For our God is a consuming fire." Heb 12:29

"She [wisdom] is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her." Prov 3:18

"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life:" Prov 15:4

"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." rev 22:14

I agree with that, all truth. However, the flaming sword and Cherubims guarding the garden were not there to cleanse seekers who wished to enter. They were there to keep people out. It was a physical tree, else the foundation of the fall and salvation be metaphysical philosophy. There being a virtue in it of living forever in the flesh body, both sinner and saint alike would be eligible. God was opposed to that possibility in Gen 3:22.

Also, there were fires of God, and another to come to the whole earth ridding it of remembrance of sin, you didn't list, that burned things up, leaving nothing behind. That flaming sword would have to be of the destruction category.

 

[amadeus2]

The double edged sword is metaphorical while the flaming sword was or is an actual thing. When man is born again (women too) the old man dies right there, on the spot..What we want to do next is to work out that salvation by forming new thought patterns and habit based on the Word.

If the old man with his ways were completely dead, why do we continue to no be tempted by his ways. We continue to be double-minded in some measure until we have overcome the last obstacle for the last time before the end of our course (natural life span).

Was not James writing to believers in this verse?

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:10

Elsewhere he actually speaks of "double-mindedness". Paul personally fought such battles between the way that his old self wanted to go and the Way that the "new inner man" wanted to lead. Paul admonished to "Quench not the Spirit" [I Thess 5:19] because he knew that we were able to do that. We were able to "limit the Holy One of Israel".

When a person is born again, he/she has to not only form new ways and habits, but destroy the old ones. If the old ones are not destroyed and replaced with new and better ones will not the person sin again and lose eventually lose out with God? Don't you think that Jesus also had us in mind when he said these words?

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

 

[amadeus2]

I agree with that, all truth. However, the flaming sword and Cherubims guarding the garden were not there to cleanse seekers who wished to enter. They were there to keep people out. It was a physical tree, else the foundation of the fall and salvation be metaphysical philosophy. There being a virtue in it of living forever in the flesh body, both sinner and saint alike would be eligible. God was opposed to that possibility in Gen 3:22.

If person were properly cleansed and attired, he could and would enter through the Word of God (the Flaming Sword) itself to partake of that Tree of Life. Jesus came to make that a possibility and now it is. This did not happen in Daniel 3. That was a single event provided to show what would be available to those who had the attitude that those three Hebrews had. For the three Hebrews it was salvation of their natural lives in that moment in time, but for us it was a type of shadow of what Jesus would make possible not for a moment, but forever.

Also, there were fires of God, and another to come to the whole earth ridding it of remembrance of sin, you didn't list, that burned things up, leaving nothing behind. That flaming sword would have to be of the destruction category.

Yes the Flaming Sword would destroy (burn up)anything not prepared to enter in... Consider also this man:

And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt 22:11-13
There is not reason for a person to approach the Fire of God unprepared. God did through His Son make a Way where there was no way.

The proper garment of course is the "whole armour of God" [Eph 6:11 , 13]

 

[Dovegiven]

The double edged sword is metaphorical while the flaming sword was or is an actual thing. When man is born again (women too) the old man dies right there, on the spot..What we want to do next is to work out that salvation by forming new thought patterns and habit based on the Word.

Good point. Then the word of God, sharper than a surgeon's scalpel, i.e. "double-edged sword", does spiritual surgery on us even as we study the scriptures, rather than daily consume us in a potter's oven?

The great fire the three Hebrews entered consumed the captors who threw then in, while not touching them at all. So though "our God is a consuming fire", that fire is kindled against his enemies, not his children. Jesus (or an angel) came to be with those young men, not willing to let even a hair be singed, with not even the odor of the fire on them.

 

[Bendito]

If the old man with his ways were completely dead, why do we continue to no be tempted by his ways. We continue to be double-minded in some measure until we have overcome the last obstacle for the last time before the end of our course (natural life span).

Was not James writing to believers in this verse?

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:10

Elsewhere he actually speaks of "double-mindedness". Paul personally fought such battles between the way that his old self wanted to go and the Way that the "new inner man" wanted to lead. Paul admonished to "Quench not the Spirit" [I Thess 5:19] because he knew that we were able to do that. We were able to "limit the Holy One of Israel".

When a person is born again, he/she has to not only form new ways and habits, but destroy the old ones. If the old ones are not destroyed and replaced with new and better ones will not the person sin again and lose eventually lose out with God? Don't you think that Jesus also had us in mind when he said these words?

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

Like little children, we have to learn to walk in our new nature. We now have the nature of God not a sinful nature. Still we've always allowed our mind to lead our spirit. We now have to learn how to let our spirit lead our mind. Working out our own salvation is a total learning process.

 

[Bendito]

Good point. Then the word of God, sharper than a surgeon's scalpel, i.e. "double-edged sword", does spiritual surgery on us even as we study the scriptures, rather than daily consume us in a potter's oven?

The great fire the three Hebrews entered consumed the captors who threw then in, while not touching them at all. So though "our God is a consuming fire", that fire is kindled against his enemies, not his children. Jesus (or an angel) came to be with those young men, not willing to let even a hair be singed, with not even the odor of the fire on them.

Yup We have to let His consuming Word cut away, burn away all the dross in our ways.

 

[Dovegiven]

If person were properly cleansed and attired, he could and would enter through the Word of God (the Flaming Sword) itself to partake of that Tree of Life. Jesus came to make that a possibility and now it is. This did not happen in Daniel 3. That was a single event provided to show what would be available to those who had the attitude that those three Hebrews had. For the three Hebrews it was salvation of their natural lives in that moment in time, but for us it was a type of shadow of what Jesus would make possible not for a moment, but forever.



Yes the Flaming Sword would destroy (burn up)anything not prepared to enter in... Consider also this man:

And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matt 22:11-13
There is not reason for a person to approach the Fire of God unprepared. God did through His Son make a Way where there was no way.

The proper garment of course is the "whole armour of God" [Eph 6:11 , 13]

I suspect many will approach anyway, totally unprepared for that fire.
Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They will approach in the name of religion.

Back to the OP. There is no promise that God has reserved the Garden of Eden for the Redeemed. The tree in it is off limits for everyone on earth until the New Earth, after sin is removed from Earth. There being a great renovation of the planet then, there is no logic in keeping a place on earth blocked by a flaming sword and angels. All of that in Genesis 3 was literal, not metaphorical. Mankind is excluded. There is no scripture having any human stepping foot in it. From here we go up to where Jesus has been since he ascended. Then we are with him there a while, then we return to earth with him for a thousand years. We have no practical use for that place, but it was a huge benefit for Adam, intended fora sinless mankind. God has built a far better place for us saints, and has in store a perfect planet.

 

[Bendito]

When Jesus rules on the Earth for a thousand years with His bride....The bride needs a place to live...The New Jerusalem! 2,250,000 square miles! That's a city and this number does not measure the upper levels

What gets me about this? Its a city of 2,250,000 square miles! Yet at the end of the 1000 years Satan is released and they declare war on the city?! Really?! Yup...they must be democrats. ROFL

 

[Chad]

Yes, but if we are not submitted completely to the Holy Spirit can we get the answer by our intellect? In submitting to the Holy Spirit are we not submitting to God's will? What if it is not God's will for us to know that answer? Man's own will had been the problem since the Garden of Eden. Consider it from Jesus's point of view while in carnal flesh:

Jesus said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39



"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:21-23

The flaming sword is the Word of God which is Jesus, is it not? We have to go through Him to get to the Tree of Life which is also Him, do we not? Confusing, isn't it? Yet when we are "in Him" it is really so simply, isn't it?



Be intrigued, but trust in God alone. I am not arguing with you or disagreeing with you by the way. Sometimes we simply need to consider again what we are doing, or not doing.

Wisdom brother!

I want to make a point, not sure anyone mentioned this as I've quickly skimmed the thread (catching up).

What's greater, the garden of Eden or Jesus Himself? In other words, what's most important the Creator or the creation? Not being curt, the OP did ask an intriguing question but I mention this as a little reminder that when we have Jesus, the garden of Eden won't outdo a relationship with the Savior

Eventually heaven will come down to earth for all eternity. That's just too phenomenal to even think about.

Revelation 21

A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bridebeautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without costfrom the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”

The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plaguescame and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using humanmeasurement, and it was 144 cubits[d] thick.[e] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[f]21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls,each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[Bendito]

Wisdom brother!

I want to make a point, not sure anyone mentioned this as I've quickly skimmed the thread (catching up).

What's greater, the garden of Eden or Jesus Himself? In other words, what's most important the Creator or the creation? Not being curt, the OP did ask an intriguing question but I mention this as a little reminder that when we have Jesus, the garden of Eden won't outdo a relationship with the Savior

Eventually heaven will come down to earth for all eternity. That's just too phenomenal to even think about.

Revelation 21

A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bridebeautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without costfrom the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.This is the second death.”

The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plaguescame and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using humanmeasurement, and it was 144 cubits[d] thick.[e] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[f]21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls,each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Of course you're right Chad..Nothing is more important than Jesus and our relationship with Him. The opening question was Where is it? I love these discussions because they do tend to wander into other areas like this one is. And now there is another aspect. Where is the temple, and as you pointed out...Jesus!!

BTW. What is an OP?

 

[Chad]

OP = original poster (thread starter)

 

[Bendito]

OP = original poster (thread starter)

LOL Ok Just call me a techno-peasant