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Where do Jasher and Enoch Fit in?

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He was talking about Prophets who had written books.
The Book of Enoch was NEVER approved by the Nicean Council ever. It was never a part of the "approved" canon.
Oh yes, the Nicean council would not support your faith either, or the faith of any christian of this day and age, much less the faith of the disciples at the time of Christ. Certainly close to the faith in many situations, but not the same, because they were already overly concerned about the reputation of the church and considered that more important than some truths... one which was the book of Enoch, which spoke badly about the church and what it eventually would become.
 
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Jesus was not talking about books there. He was talking about people. He said nothing about books. He was speaking of prophets being killed or persecuted.....

The Book of Enoch was in the bible until around 400 AD until the Roman Catholic church had it removed. If it was part of the bible

Have you noticed? Most good teachers are controversial? Christians in general seem to delight in judging one another. What you're talking here is gossip.
Churchianity is a vicious soup of half truths and myths and outright lies. It's a good thing to stay away from
Lol no its fact....the man talks of secret bible codes

RUN.... hes a false teacher....Jesus never said anything in secret but now we have some OT that is new secret stuff that doesnt take a believer and the holy spirit to figure out but those who see secret codes and teachings.... btw we are to judge people my bendito.... when we know them by their fruits we are judging them by Gods standards set forth in his word..and your mans a false teacher....

Name a few teachers who you believe are Sound?
 
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We know secret code is demonic because we NEVER saw Jesus or Paul or Peter or bobby or cindy teach about them....

How easy is wisdom.....
 
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Lol no its fact....the man talks of secret bible codes

RUN.... hes a false teacher....Jesus never said anything in secret but now we have some OT that is new secret stuff that doesnt take a believer and the holy spirit to figure out but those who see secret codes and teachings.... btw we are to judge people my bendito.... when we know them by their fruits we are judging them by Gods standards set forth in his word..and your mans a false teacher....

Name a few teachers who you believe are Sound?
And who are you to judge a man of God?
 
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See you do not even understand after I explained it,
when God tells us that we shall know men by their fruits ie things they say and do, then we are making judgements on those people, the difference is that we are not judging like unbelievers but we are judging by the fruits of that man by What God laid down for us to KNOW if a man is evil or not....


When a man teaches bible code and none of the men in the Bible who we know as told by God are his messingers guided by God SAY NOTHING ABOUT SOME SECRET BIBLE CODE


Then its UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONIC.... we are as Christians to point out false teachers such as mr chuck messler who TEACHES THINGS NO BIBLICAL WRITER TAUGHT..... you are way out in left field bendito.... if its not in the bible its not true..... period

False teachers will be judged harshly....
 
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Greetings, @TRADITIONSofMEN

See you do not even understand after I explained it,
I have had this sort of problem before. It ended up that it was me who was getting it wrong.... me missing the point that I did not explain it properly!

Sometime we need to do so with patience and longsuffering, as well as other aspects of the fruit.

Please try to remember this when posting here at TalkJesus and of course, please try to remember it, too, when interacting with others while not here.


Bless you ....><>
 
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.... by the way, before we post much more, can we try to remember what the OP was about, and discuss if and how and where do Jasher and Enoch fit in...
if we go about it in love, we might even be shown.... God is able, are we willing?

Please post in Peace


Bless you ....><>
 
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See you do not even understand after I explained it,
when God tells us that we shall know men by their fruits ie things they say and do, then we are making judgements on those people, the difference is that we are not judging like unbelievers but we are judging by the fruits of that man by What God laid down for us to KNOW if a man is evil or not....


When a man teaches bible code and none of the men in the Bible who we know as told by God are his messingers guided by God SAY NOTHING ABOUT SOME SECRET BIBLE CODE


Then its UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONIC.... we are as Christians to point out false teachers such as mr chuck messler who TEACHES THINGS NO BIBLICAL WRITER TAUGHT..... you are way out in left field bendito.... if its not in the bible its not true..... period

False teachers will be judged harshly....
Its not for you to judge. And you have the 'interpretation' of the scripture all wrong.

and BTW Don't talk to me like I'm stupid if you want to convince me of something.
 
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So bendito are you teaching that God wasnt able to keep His word together for His sheep and now you are offering us new books to follow as Gods word? Simple yes or no question....
 
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The bible is written according to a set formula....Jasher and Enoch are not. By this I mean that each book of the bible, old and new covenant are written in a certain way...God's way...Jasher and Enoch did not have God's guidance in writing their books, so the formula, the pattern is missing...Not Gods Word....Look.....I've, heh heh, askes Chuck Missler to explain it. Just for your edification.
So your against these 2 books as biblical then?
 
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So your against these 2 books as biblical then?
I was....They are classed as history books, but they also line up with the bible....They were part of the bible for at least 400 years until the Roman Catholic church removed them. Based on that and other information that I am ruminating on I may be about to change my mind.
We have to remember though...None of us on this forum are reallly qualified to say for certain either way.
 
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Katia,
Me and a friend of mine were having this conversation a while ago and the Holy Spirit (WA RAACH) spoke and said that there are other Books beside the Bible that are also Anointed.
I didn't understand it at that time because I knew nothing of Enoch or Jasher, but as Lord is revealing much Truth in these last days those books are the other Anointed books that was spoken about!

Are we going to see all of the prophets and priests and king's and saint's when CHRIST returns, yes we are? What will the nay sayers say to them?
When it''s face to face!

Will they be coming with CHRIST Upon HIS return after the Tribulation of those days?

I get amazed at people's attempt to Discredit Truth because of FEAR!
 
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Please understand those Books were referenced by the Bible!

It makes me wonder if those who speak against the Truth really and I mean really understand what they are doing because at judgement day regarding those who don't make it to the end, books will be opened while standing before THE MOST HIGH AHAYAH! And everything you said and did will be placed before you!

Let the Holy Spirit WA RAACH teach you, SHE will speak to you!
SHE it is that teaches us all things!
 
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Rather than just rewrite something I've already written, I've gone ahead and copied the post I made as it pertains to the Book of Enoch.

Also, the quoted length of time here is 400 years, rather than the 800 years used on another thread where this repost comes from. Still, the time element is still valid below in the position made, since though individual's in antiquity in acknowledging these books, doesn't mean a commonality of usage in the existing churches of the day.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus.

I thought I'd add these links (see below).

I myself do not accept the Book of Enoch as Canon nor does Talk Jesus, and so will not use it as authoritative. Considering that the Jewish faith does have issue with it, should give us pause in attributing more to these writings than what we now acknowledge as the books that comprise the Holy Bible.

As far as being part of the Bible for 800 years, I can find nothing to confirm this. Believing this one must assume that no other compilation of Writings but the one that included Enoch were used by all the Churches prior to a final determination of what we now consider Canon. There is too much evidence to the contrary. Looking at the History of the Early Christian Church I have found that different Churches would utilize different writings, depending on what they had access/copies of. So, there were no one set of writings for all the Early Churches which would be necessary in order for the Book of Enoch to be part of it for the first 800 years.


Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

How and when was the canon of the Bible put together?

How were the books of the Bible chosen?

As in such discussions as are being had on this thread, I see no problem adding these references, I just don't accept this or any of the other books of the Apocrypha as authoritative. More of a curiosity, then a basis for creating any Doctrine.

I'm adding this as both a fellow member, and Moderator who has asked how Talk Jesus is to view these documents. So, accepted Canon listing of Books as found in the KJV, NKJV, etc. will take precedence.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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It seems that these books have information coinciding with some of the old testament books and I am curious if we have real proof that they should not have been included in what we presently call the Bible?

Ultimately I am fishing for answers.

I also wonder if any research with equidistant letter sequencing has been done on these books, as that, to me, would make it pretty convincing that we should perhaps give these books a little more thought.

Looking forward to hearing some sound feedback :smile:
Katia....Do you mean like the bible codes? You said. "I also wonder if any research with equidistant letter sequencing has been done on these books, as that, to me, would make it pretty convincing that we should perhaps give these books a little more thought."
 
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It seems that these books have information coinciding with some of the old testament books and I am curious if we have real proof that they should not have been included in what we presently call the Bible?

Ultimately I am fishing for answers.

I also wonder if any research with equidistant letter sequencing has been done on these books, as that, to me, would make it pretty convincing that we should perhaps give these books a little more thought.

Looking forward to hearing some sound feedback :smile:
In that case what about Sirach? Maybe , the books you inquire about are not as threatening from some perspectives? Your post should be removed though because the books being discused are not your 66 books of Protestant Canon .Fall in line soldier you are NOT permitted to be a free thinker , Get back in the chains of your denomination. LOL!

I was looking forward to feed back as well concerning Sirach. It would seem the only answer I got was a book burning and no intelligent reason why just removal of my thread. Based on that spirits action, I know Sirach is truth . For the Spirit of Christ has answer and is never threatened. But that contrary to ones indoctrination, is FEARED. The Folly of unwarranted censor, removes what it can not understand nor disprove. Therefore, it is clear that Sirach and my thread is true. For no answer against by any in here could be given, though Christ says , "fear not what you are to say , for it will not be you speaking but your heavenly Father." I think people are afraid to find out the truth in here .

Freedom of discussion is for the strong, CENSORING for the weak. Throughout history it has been the weak minded who Censor and oppress for fear of being wrong. Christians do not censor ,when it come to books of spiritual discussion. They know the TRUTH always prevails!

At least some debate is given,so that proof against or for can be weighed in the balance. Proof in any case must be presented to consider something False. That is intelligent , free flowing debate, not controlling, forced indoctrination!

Seems the RCC offshoot too removes and subjugates what it does not understand. Not COOL! Just saying.....and this thread which is allowed, very hypocritical! Further proof of the spirit in here ! For the spirit of Christ is NO Hypocrite!

There is in each of us a dangerous temptation toward hypocrisy, to be one thing but to pretend to be another. There are many within the church who are hypocrites, people who claim to be Christians but who are, in fact, unbelievers attempting to convince others (and perhaps themselves) that they are followers of Jesus Christ. They are people who do not practice true virtue but who instead offer counterfeit versions of it. Jude compares them to clouds without water in that they seem to be full of the "Spirit " but are actually devoid of true goodness.

Hypocrisy angers God. God hates hypocrisy and hypocrites because hypocrisy misuses religion, taking advantage of its laws and decrees for self-advancement. The hypocrite wants religion—even the Christian faith—only for the advantages he gains from it. He fails to truly turn his heart to God and do good to God’s people. He carries Christ in his Bible, but not in his heart. He serves the devil while wearing the uniform of Christ. He will be condemned by God.

Hypocrisy is self-delusion. Many hypocrites deceive themselves, thinking that their hypocritical deeds are evidence of true godliness or, even worse, that they have the ability to merit God’s favor. The person who collects counterfeit money harms no one more than himself. The person who piles up counterfeit godliness does the greatest damage to his own soul. “The hypocrite deceives others while he lives, but deceives himself when he dies.”

it would seem partiality is being shown with your post being allowed and mine being removed, when I clearly asked what people thought while also giving my belief concerning Sirach. It is clear MY POST was too HOT! Sounds like the Holy Spirit fire was too much and it was removed.

James 2:9
New American Standard Bible
But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

King James Bible
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Darby Bible Translation
But if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors.

World English Bible
But if you show partiality, you commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors.
I SHOW NO PARTIALITY! But have been treated as such by all in here. I will definitely share your forum with other Christians.:grin:

Now, this assembly in the spirit of folly will steal what you want from my post to fit in your design of religion but it is clear it is NOT TRUE RELIGION.

The Way of Folly Proverbs9;
…16“Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!” To him who lacks judgment she says: 17“Stolen water is sweet, and bread eaten in secret is tasty!” 18But they do not know that the dead are there, that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.…

Folly is a Woman meaning a false church. There are many Women which defile, and they are all of the spirit of folly.

I am NO FOOL because I have not been defiled by your false doctrine and hypocrisy because I have not fornicated against the Word. I am a virgin soul, meaning made in the image of the spotless (Immaculate Virgin Mother of Christ). What the the Rev. 12 sign ,means for the the Bride. the sign of Immanuel , his Mother is the image of Christ Elect. I am Chaste in spirit and avoid extramarital affairs, meaning will never give up my faith in the Christ and His True Religion!
Revelation 14 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

The Lamb and the 144,000 Rev!4;
14 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, 3 and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 It is these who have not (defiled themselves with women), for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, 5 and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

There is NO lie in my mouth as in yours I am spotless= Immaculate. PARTIALITY , that in itself has convicted this forum and shows its essence.
 
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Lol no its fact....the man talks of secret bible codes

RUN.... hes a false teacher....Jesus never said anything in secret but now we have some OT that is new secret stuff that doesnt take a believer and the holy spirit to figure out but those who see secret codes and teachings.... btw we are to judge people my bendito.... when we know them by their fruits we are judging them by Gods standards set forth in his word..and your mans a false teacher....

Name a few teachers who you believe are Sound?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. Just my opinion of course
 
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