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Where do Jasher and Enoch Fit in?

Discussion in 'Evidence & Prophecy' started by katia, Sep 27, 2017.

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  1. It seems that these books have information coinciding with some of the old testament books and I am curious if we have real proof that they should not have been included in what we presently call the Bible?

    Ultimately I am fishing for answers.

    I also wonder if any research with equidistant letter sequencing has been done on these books, as that, to me, would make it pretty convincing that we should perhaps give these books a little more thought.

    Looking forward to hearing some sound feedback :)
  2. I've read a few of the Apocryphal books.
    These two in particular a few times. The man thing of course is neither could possibly be written by who they claim to be written by.
    Events that happened thousand of years after Enoch was alive are in the book of Enoch. These aren't prophecies, they are written in a
    historical way. The book of Jude does have a verse from the book of Enoch in it, and parts of the book are copied from Genesis.

    The book of Jasher that was in the Bible doesn't exist anymore at all. It is a "lost book". There have been some recent attempts to "re-write" it in the last few centuries, but the sources they are copying from are questionable.

    Besides this, Jesus didn't seem to recognize them as prophets. In Luke 11:51; He only mentions Abel to Zechariah.
    (Genesis to Zechariah which was written after Malachi, the last book of the old testament).
    The Apocryphal books existed in Jesus's time. So why didn't He include them?

    There are other books the Bible mentions as well...
    The book of wars ( Numb 21:14; )
    The book of Nathan and the book of Gad ( 1 Chron 29:29; )
    The book of Enoch ( Jude 1:14; )
    ... and a few more...

    There are even secular quotes in the Bible...
    Acts 17:28; and Titus 1:12; But these aren't used in a prophetic way, but rather to prove a point.

    Finally, when the beginning church councils were deciding which books should be included, one of the requirements was that the
    books somehow in some way "reveal the divine nature (or character) of God. While some of the Apocryphal books may have had some
    historical value (the Maccabean revolt for example) they simply did not reveal the character of God.
    According to records from those meetings, it was surprisingly unanimous which books were rejected.
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  3. The below is a very short run through of some notes and thoughts on the book of Enoch.

    Chapters 1 - 5
    Chapter 1 is where Jude quotes from Enoch: Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    Note that Enoch says that the vision which the angels showed him, he also was given understanding of what he saw from them.

    This helps us understand that many things refer to things Enoch could not know, and things that were not typical of his time and the world he lived in.

    These prophecies and visions are not about his generation (only a few places actually reference things of the earth in his time), but are for "a remote" generation "which is for to come".

    The angels are called "watchers".

    Chapters 6 - 9
    We see that it's during the time of Jared, Enoch's father, that 200 of the angels came to the earth and took wives of human females (Gen 6:2-4), taught them magic (charms and enchantements), instruments of war and the art of war, astrology and constellations, etc., and bare giant "mighty men" as children.

    Jared was born in the year 460 AA (After Adam) and the angels were around until the time of the flood over 1000 years later. It's important to understand that they had a LOT of children during that 1000 years.

    These children became cannibals, and sinned against animals (by eating them). In Genesis 1:29-30 and Genesis 9:3 we see that before the flood everything was vegetarian and it was only after the flood that animals were killed for meat.

    Chapters 10-19
    God warns Noah of the deluge, and assigns punishment to the angels who sinned.

    Throughout the book of Enoch we're given a lot of information about the angels who sinned and their punishment. Their sin was very grievous and as such their punishment was very grievous, because they "wronged mankind", and they were of heaven but went down to earth and sinned.

    They are bound for 70 generations, until Judgement Day and the Consummation.

    They get Enoch to petition God for them, but God denies their petition and tells them that they "should intercede for men, and not men for you".

    Their children will be confined to the earth as evil spirits since they were born of men and angels.

    Interesting that the things they taught women were "worthless" mysteries and caused "men and women to work much evil on earth".

    The angels that sinned assumed many different forms...

    Chapter 22
    Hell is explained in greater detail than we had previously seen in the Bible. In the Bible, the word "hell" comes from the words "Sheol" and "Hades".

    OT:7585 she'owl (sheh-ole'); or sheol (sheh-ole'); from OT:7592; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates:

    NT:86 haides (hah'-dace); from NT:1 (as negative particle) and NT:1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:

    NT:5020 tartaroo (tar-tar-o'-o); from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:

    Tartaroo is where the angels are reserved (the deepest abyss of Hades) for Judgement in 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (Tartaroo), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    There is more than one "level" or "part" to hell. It's the place of the dead, separated with no way to cross to the other parts, for sinners in some parts and for the saints of God in the good part.

    In Enoch, we're shown in much greater detail, that there are four different parts of Sheol for the souls of men to be separated and reserved until Judgement Day. We see that some will "not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence". These will remain in hell forever.

    There is a part "in which there is the bright spring of water" for the righteous dead.

    In Enoch chapter 70 we see that Enoch is translated to "the place for the elect", where he saw the "first fathers and the righteous who from the beginning dwell". Enoch was taken to the good part of Sheol where the righteous are all resting and waiting for the Day of the Lord.

    Chapters 25-27
    Prophecy of Jesus!

    Prophetic terms about Jesus are interspersed throughout Enoch. He is the "Eternal King", the "Elect One", the "Son of Man". God is the Lord of Spirits, the Head of Days, and as we know from scripture; God is a Spirit (John 4:24 God is a Spirit...), and Jesus is the human body God made for Himself (Col 2:9 For in him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. He is the image of the invisible God. 2 Corinthians 4:4 … Christ, who is the image of God - Hebrews 1:3 (Jesus is) ... the express image of his (God's) person - Colossians 1:15 (Jesus) Who is the image of the invisible God) Click here for more information on this subject.

    He (Jesus) was named before creation (Enoch 48), and foreordained before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:20 Who (Jesus) verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you).

    Jesus is the mystery of God... "From the beginning the Son of Man was hidden", but is revealed to the elect, the saints (Enoch 62) His name is revealed at the end when He will sit in judgement (Enoch 69), (Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints), (1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.)

    He will sit on the throne of God (Enoch 51), and all will behold Him (Mine Elect One) sit on the throne and judge (Enoch 55).

    In the Last days - judgement and the desolate valley for those who don't love the Lord

    Chapters 28-36
    Portals of heaven, more about the angels who sinned, more about Jesus.

    Chapter 32 shows us the Garden of Eden, and a little about Adam and Eve.

    Chapter 36 ends the "first vision" which started in chapter 1.

    Chapters 37-64
    Many visions, the Three Parables, luminaries, the portals of heaven and the stars

    Chapter 48: Jesus "shall be the light of the Gentiles". Since Abraham was not yet born, this is a prophecy of the purpose of Christ.

    Chapter 51: The resurrection of the dead.

    Chapter 52: Vision of the wrath of God... As wax before the fire - they shall become powerless before his feet - none shall be saved - none shall be able to escape when the Elect One (Jesus) shall appear.

    Chapter 53: Punishment of sinners and the righteous will have rest from the oppression of sinners.

    Chapter 54: A deep valley for the sinners. Chains for the angels who sinned.

    - A prophecy of the flood - chambers of water above and fountains beneath the earth.

    Chapter 58: Promises to those who love the Lord.

    Chapter 60: A mighty quaking in the heavens - Until this day lasted the mercy and long suffering of God, until the day of His wrath.

    - Behemoth and Leviathon - These are not the same as those shown to Job.

    Chapter 64: The angels who sinned revealed what has hidden and seduced the children of men into committing sin.

    Chapters 65 - 70
    Warning to Noah of the coming deluge and his preservation.

    The angels who "were over the powers of the waters" are told to hold them in check. (to give Noah time to build the ark)

    Enoch gave Noah "the teaching of all the secrets in the book of Parables".

    The fallen angel "Kasdeja" taught men how to abort children in the womb!!!

    Enoch is translated to "the place for the elect", where he saw the "first fathers and the righteous who from the beginning dwell". Enoch was taken to the good part of Sheol where the righteous are all resting and waiting for the Day of the Lord.

    Chapters 72-79
    The luminaries (sun, moon, stars).

    The winds.

    The four quarters of the earth.

    Enoch is showing these things to his son Methuselah.

    Moon light is transferred to her by the sun.

    Chapter 80 - 82
    The sinners years are shortened. Probably referring to the life-span of men after the flood being severely shortened.

    All things on the earth shall alter. After the flood, many things changed; Animals, climate, abundance of vegetation, etc.

    Sinners will err concerning the stars.

    Enoch is told to "declare everything to thy son Methuselah" to "preserve" it to "deliver them to the generations of the world".

    Chapters 85 - 90
    The history of the world all the way through to the end into eternity:

    Chapter 85 - Adam and Eve, Cain and Able, Seth

    Chapter 86 - the fall of the angels who sinned

    Chapter 88 - punishment of the angels who sinned - siezed and thrown into the abyss

    - the sons of the angels kill each other off

    Chapter 89 - The prophecy of the flood and the preservation of Noah's family.

    - Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael

    - Jacob and Esau

    - The 12 tribes of Israel are created

    - Joseph

    - Moses

    - Sin in the wilderness caused the current generation to be allowed to die without seeing the promised land - their children saw it

    - The Judges - sometimes blind - sometimes eyes open (on God)

    - Saul, David and Solomon

    - The Kings / Chronicles of the Kings

    - The time of the rule of Babylon

    - The first 70 "shepards" called

    - The rebuilding of Jerusalem

    - The second destruction of the temple and Jerusalem

    - The last 2000 years and the wrath of God

    - Judgement day and the time into eternity and the New Jerusalem

    Chapters 91 - 92
    Enoch tells Methuselah to call all his brothers together to speak to them.

    - Love uprightness and walk therein

    - And draw not nigh to uprightness with a double heart

    - And associate not with those of a double heart

    Chapter 93
    The prophecy of weeks - the 10 weeks prophecy

    There are some different theories about this prophecy. Some think it is 1000 years for each "week" and that the first week is the creation week, and the last week is into eternity. That one does not fit all of the timelines and stated events well at all. It follows much more accurately that it is about 700 years for each "week". Each week might not be exactly 700 years, but each week is an era or period of time in the history of the world from creation through the millenial reign.

    1. 1-700 Enoch's early years

    2. 700-1400 Noah - great wickedness - God repents that he made man and decides to flood the world

    3. 1400-2100 Flood happens in the first part, Abraham at it's close

    4. 2100-2800 Moses and the law

    5. 2800-3500 the Kings - 1st Temple built

    6. 3500-4200 Blindness (Pharisees) - Jesus born - temple destroyed - Jews dispersed - 4000 AA approximately 0 AD

    7. 4200-4900 Catholicism - pagan rituals and beliefs mixed with Christianity - 200-900 AD

    8. 4900-5600 Crusades - "sword" = Bible - at close house built = church = body of saints = the reformation - 900-1600 AD

    9. 5600-6300 Return of Christ - Godless vanish from earth - 1600-2300 AD

    10. 6300-7000 Millenial reign - last 700 years of it - 2300-3000 AD

    After that: Many weeks without number for ever! No more sin! Eternity with God!

    Chapters 94 - 105
    Psalms / Proverbs / Prophetic warnings much like the other major prophets in the Bible

    Sin was not sent to earth but man of himself created it

    Sinners don't fear God

    The righteous should not fear and should not grieve if they find their soul descending to Sheol in grief (good part of Sheol) because their life on earth was not good - wait for the day of Judgement!

    - Fear not when we see sinners grow strong

    - be not companions with them but keep afar from their violence

    - "sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books"

    - Write all my words in their languages and do not change or minish...

    Chapter 106
    Noah born and prophesied over

    The flood is foretold to be for "one year"

    Again, this is by no means an exhaustive study of Enoch, and I don't even mention many of the things written in it. This is just some highlights of the book. I highly recommend reading it!

    Some interesting parallels from Enoch compared to the New Testament:

    Enoch chapter:
    Quoted by Jude (see above).

    “the healing of the earth” (Rom. 8:18-21).

    Enoch preaches to the spirits in prison that waited in the days of Noah (1 Pet. 3:18-20).

    “the great glory sat…more brightly than the sun…no flesh could behold him” (1 Tim. 6:16).

    Angels not marrying or being given in marriage (Lk. 20.35).

    Evil spirits permitted to destroy until the consummation of the age (Mat. 8:29).

    “the end of all things” (1 Pet. 4:7).

    Souls crying out for judgment (Rev. 6:9-10).

    Description of the tree of life restored (Rev. 22:1).

    The appearance of “the Righteous One” is linked to the appearance of the “light” (John 1).

    “those that possess the earth shall no longer be powerful and exalted” (1 Cor. 2:6).

    “For the Lord of Spirits has caused His light to appear on the face of the holy, righteous, and elect” (2 Cor. 3:18).

    “mansions of the elect” (John 14:2).

    “This is the Son of Man…who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden” (Col. 2:3; John 4).

    Numerous New Testament echoes:

    “Light of the Gentiles”;

    “those who have fallen asleep in righteousness”;

    “he shall judge the secret things”;

    “All…shall fall down and worship him”;

    “chosen hidden before Him before the creation of the world”;

    “in his name they are saved…according to his good pleasure”;

    “through his name shall they be saved”;

    “all the secrets of wisdom and counsel… the Lord of Spirits hath given to him”.

    “in those days the angels shall return…shall stir up the kings…shall go up and tread under foot the land of His elect ones…shall be swallowed up” (Rev. 20).

    “And after this it shall be said to the holy in heaven that they should seek out the secrets of righteousness, the heritage of faith. For it has become bright as sun upon earth and darkness is past” (Eph. 3:10; 1 Pet. 1:12; Rom. 13:12).

    “the word of his mouth slays all the sinners” (Rev. 19:15).

    “as on a woman in travail” (Mark 13:8).

    “when they see the Son of Man sitting on the throne of his glory” (Mt. 25:31).

    The Lord will execute vengeance upon “those who rule the world”
    (1 Cor. 2:6).

    “wrath of the Lord of Spirits resteth upon them, and His sword is drunk with their blood” (Revelation).

    “The righteous and elect shall be saved on that day…and with that Son of Man shall they eat…shall have risen from the earth…clothed with garments of glory…and…shall not grow old” (Mt. 26:29; 1 Thess. 4:17; 2 Cor. 5:1-2).

    Translated into heaven, Enoch sees “a structure built of crystals and…tongues of living fire” (Rev. 21:11; Acts 2:3-4).

    “the world to come” (Heb. 2:5).

    “they shall not be separated from him forever and ever and ever” (Rom. 8:35).

    The fate of the sinners: to be thrown into Gehenna — “this abyss was to the right of that house” (Mt. 23:33).

    The Lord of the sheep brings “a new house greater and loftier than the first” (Heb. 3:6; 13:14).

    The “double heart” (Jas. 1:8).

    The increase of sin and violence comes prior to the Lord’s coming in judgment (Luke 21:9; 2 Thess. 2:3).

    “And all the righteous shall arise from their sleep” (1 Thess. 4:15).

    The “Apocalypse of Weeks” depicts the rise of “an apostate generation” and its destruction, after which a “new heaven” appears (Mt. 23:36; 2 Pet. 3:13).

    “Woe to you ye rich, for ye have trusted in your riches….Ye have committed blasphemy and unrighteousness and have become ready for the day of slaughter and the day of darkness and the day of great judgment” (Jas. 5:1).

    “Woe to you …” (Matt. 23).

    “suddenly shall the sinners perish before you” (1 Thess. 5:1-3)

    “they shall be trodden under foot” (Rom. 16:20).

    “horse shall walk up to the breast in the blood of sinners” (Rev. 14:20).

    “though the righteous sleep a long sleep, they have nought to fear” (1 Thess. 4:13).

    “In blazing flames burning worse than fire shall ye burn” (2 Thess. 1:7; Heb. 10:27; 12:18, 29; Rev. 18:8; 20:9)

    “the great judgment shall be for all the generations of the world” (Mt. 23:32).

    “in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great One” (Mt. 18:10); “ye shall shine as the lights of heaven” (Phil. 2:15); “cast not away your hope” (Heb. 10:23).

    “For I and My Son will be united with them forever” (John 14:23).

    “generation upon generation shall transgress till a generation of righteousness arises” (Acts 2).

    “in the last days” (1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Tim. 3:1; Heb. 1:2).

    “written…that the angels may read them” (Eph. 3:10; 1 Pet. 1:12).

    “I will transform those who were born in darkness….And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved my holy name, and I will seat each on the throne of my honor” (1 Cor. 15:51; Eph. 2:6; Col. 1:13; Mt. 19:28).
  4. The book of Enoch was written before the new testament because copies of it were found with the dead sea scrolls which date to before Christ, and they were put there by a branch of jewish mystics who were recognized as a legitimate sect of Judaism besides the more numerous Pharisees and Sadducee's. It was accepted by the early church as authentic before the church got more organized
    by those who decided what was inspired and what was not, somewhere around 300AD.
  5. MMMM>The watchers The book of Enoch<>Gen 6>Jobe>MMM Giants Mt Herrmon. Like in the days of NOE MMMMMM
  6. Like It!
  7. I think it would be good to answer you with a question; do you think that if God wanted them to be in the Bible do you think that he would have made sure they were in it?
  8. Did you know that the bible is written, in its original languages, according to a formula? Its all based on 7, the number of God. The number of words, the number of paragraphs, the number of letters, all of it counted come out as multiples of 7s. Even the punctuation marks are multiples of 7. University brainiacs have tried to do a single paragraph based on this formula and nobody has been able to do it.. Search this out.....The book of Enoch does not fit this formula either..
  9. I have read the book of Enoch its very interestng but its not included as part of the Bible. I dont have it anymore but there would have been a reason its not included. I would say what we need to know has been revealed in the book of Revelation...remember book of Enoch was written before Jesus came to earth. So it would be incomplete perhaps?
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  10. I'm sure I will be one of those who believe that the book of Enoch is not just a book written by someone not of God. I recently found myself deep in prayer and talking to the Lord early in the morning as I usually do. I found myself asking to have a walk with the Lord as Enoch walked with the Lord. Yes, that tumbled out of my mouth as this sort of thing has repeatedly happened in my short walk of about 3 years. I believe firmly that this is written in my book. Regardless, I believe that the book of Enoch is a God inspired book as the others are.. I'm sure I'll get grief about that. Do I have concrete evidence? No.. Does that make it absolutely the wrong conclusion? No.. Not in my book.

    Read this post here..

    Here's a video from this past September featuring Neville Johnson of Australia. He is a current day prophet (yes, I'm sure some of you would beg to differ -- perhaps you don't believe in prophets?? That's between you and the Lord as you will NOT sway my belief). Feel free to hear the entire thing or if you like scoot into 1 hour 3 minutes into the video and listen to that part of the talk.. See what you think regarding the books of Enoch -- yes, Books.

    Make of it what you will, but I 100% believe. Yes, I will NOT be limited by the things I do not understand nor will my belief & faith be limited by what is only written of in the Bible.
  11. Not all the paper or papyrus, etc. in the world, could contain the Words of God. The bible is God breathed words, and for those filled with the Holy Spirit and a close relationship with God more words can be confirmed or denied. It only takes faith, not in ourselves or in any other man, but in the Lord's ability to answer our questions to him. For most feel safe in the bible being God's Word, and need not ask about that, and often feel guilty for even wondering about any other text. All this being said, there are spirits who pretend to be Spirits of the Light, but are not, anything that is contradicted from scripture obviously makes one of them not God breathed. Use the bible as the standard upon which all other texts are compared to, to avoid thinking God's Spirit is confirming or denying it's own origin. As for prophets in this day and time, the reason nobody wants to believe in them, is because they feel they must predict the future and that future must come about, but thats not a true indicator, for sometimes the truth doesnt come to light till long after the person is gone. The same process holds true, as what holds true for God breathed words written down. Ask God in faith, and expect an answer, Then compare that answer to scripture and if it doesnt disagree with scripture, then the odds are good its prophetic. But just because someone is a good teacher, doesnt mean he/she is a prophet either.
  12. The bible is written according to a set formula....Jasher and Enoch are not. By this I mean that each book of the bible, old and new covenant are written in a certain way...God's way...Jasher and Enoch did not have God's guidance in writing their books, so the formula, the pattern is missing...Not Gods Word....Look.....I've, heh heh, askes Chuck Missler to explain it. Just for your edification.
  13. Bac said:

    Besides this, Jesus didn't seem to recognize them as prophets. In Luke 11:51; He only mentions Abel to Zechariah.
    (Genesis to Zechariah which was written after Malachi, the last book of the old testament).
    The Apocryphal books existed in Jesus's time. So why didn't He include them?

    Interesting.... thanks for sharing that..... good to know
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  14. I believe when God says his word will last forever that seals it.... for sure God is going to see that his word survives so that we can know the whole truth. And be judged according to all.he has said... God is fair and would never allow us only false teachings.. But daniel does tell us that in the last days they will seek the truth and not find it..... which is his word...
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  15. Hey bendito:

    Chuck Missler during a Q & A at Clement’s House of Destiny (HOD)

    In recent years, Missler has been embroiled in several controversies related to his teachings dealing with Quantum Mysticism, Cryptic Bible Codes, and Nephilim False Eschatology. He has also been caught on more than one occasion in plagiarism.

    In 2007, Missler drew yet another type of controversy when he appeared on the speaking platform with a group of NAR prophets, mystics, and teachers, for the Quantum Leap2 conference—co-sponsored by the extreme prophetic entity, TheElijahList.

    It was therefore a curious thing to discover that NAR prophet Kim Clement had hosted Chuck Missler for a 3-day End Times Conference - clement he talks about his prophetic gifts – extra-biblical visions and knowledge he says God gave him directly to share with his massive audience

    This missler and clement are both know false teachers..... this is why we butt heads... you listen to false teachers..... and then teach falsely online
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  16. Jesus was not talking about books there. He was talking about people. He said nothing about books. He was speaking of prophets being killed or persecuted.....

    The Book of Enoch was in the bible until around 400 AD until the Roman Catholic church had it removed. If it was part of the bible
    Have you noticed? Most good teachers are controversial? Christians in general seem to delight in judging one another. What you're talking here is gossip.
    Churchianity is a vicious soup of half truths and myths and outright lies. It's a good thing to stay away from
  17. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Corinthians 1:18



    Without beating around the bush, may I say that equidistant letter sequencing (also known as ELS) is not by any means any proof of any thing, except that if one wants to, one can find a code for about anything and with the help of modern technology and computer assistance, many have proven that there is nothing in ELS that proves anything except to the gullible and gainsayers against God.... and that you can find a sequence if you want to.
    Please be aware of this and realise that any 'proof' found in this manner is not a substitute for the Faith of Christ which is what everyone needs. We are not called to believe codes or any such thing. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Be not deceived.

    Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2Timothy 3:7 Jesus is the Truth

    Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God, the same is known of Him. 1Corinthians 8

    Bless you ....><>

    Now thanks be unto God, Which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of His knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

    For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
    2Corinthians 2:14-17
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  18. He was talking about Prophets who had written books.
    The Book of Enoch was NEVER approved by the Nicean Council ever. It was never a part of the "approved" canon.
  19. You are correct. Yet, Enoch was considered scripture by many of the early church fathers like Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian who wrote c. 200 that the book of enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ.

    However, later, fathers denied the canonicity of the book and even considered the letter of Jude uncanononical because it refered to Enoch. By the 4th century, it was mostly excluded from christian lists of the biblical canon, except the Ethiopian Orthodox church.

    It was also found amoung the dead sea scrolls which was before the time of Christ, with other old testament books.
  20. Actually my good friend, He was not talking about the prophets at all. He was talking about those religious hypocrites that killed the prophets then almost diefied them. Read the chapter not just the verse.

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