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The Word of God

yea ok.........

Well, it's not that I agree with most of what The Great Baptist Peter Ruckman wrote. I am a Copelandnite or whatever, and Peter Ruckman does not even believe in tongues.

The Point was that he took a stance and believes that we do have a perfect Word of God and that God had more than enough power to preserve that Word. As for being led by the Spirit of God as Jiggyfly suggested, saying you heard God "gasp" would have been alien to him. Well, he's a old school Baptist, so you kinda expect that.

Well, Jiggyfly. I suppose I could have worded things better to not get banned, and if you want me to flag some post where you give a carefully worded response that would only be evident to a few, I'll be glad to do so.

Peace Brothers.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
Ofcourse this is just your opinion here once again. You obviously do not even remember my question to you accurately.


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Do you happen to have any scripture that supports this?

I suppose we should disregard the loads of scripture that instruct us to follow the HolySpirit's leading then and just submit to your opinion.

Sorry but I didn't write the bible. So MT. 23:10 is not my opinion. It's God's word. So it's obviously you who doesn't know the difference between God's word and people's interpretation of them. A quote from the bible is not an interpretation; it's a quote of God's words.

Again, the Holy Spirit inside the believer will never disagree with God's word since God's word was also inspired by the Holy Spirit. So the HS and the Word are one and the same as John 1:1-2 says. One will never disagree with the other.


So I have no desire to be on a forum where I post scripture then have you tell me that I didn't post scripture when that's FALSE. Making false claims doesn't honor Christ.

I also have no desire to be on a forum where you delete threads that ask you to back up your challenge that disagrees with MT. 23:10. You have given zero scripture contradicting MT. 23:10 so there's no reason to challenge it. If you believe Christ's words in MT. 23:10, as you claim, then there's no reason to claim that we have more than one teacher other than Christ.

But the fact that you deleted my threads shows that you yourself know you have been dishonest and have no desire for that dishonesty to be exposed. So you are not acting with integrity or Christian-like behavior.Nevertheless, God knows it so you aren't fooling me and you certainly aren't fooling God.

So since you're not capable of honest conversation, I thus have no desire to be on a forum where a mod acts deceitfully and can't even admit it. I mainly came back to edit my user information so I won't be receiving any more E-mails to threads to which I have subscribed. I'll leave it to the Lord to judge you on judgment day for trying to deceive Him.
 
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Dear Carico,

You don't have to leave, you simple don't have to response to those who disagree with you especially if arguement continue from it. You still can reply to those who agree and enjoy the site.

Trish
 
Sorry but I didn't write the bible. So MT. 23:10 is not my opinion. It's God's word. So it's obviously you who doesn't know the difference between God's word and people's interpretation of them. A quote from the bible is not an interpretation; it's a quote of God's words.

Again, the Holy Spirit inside the believer will never disagree with God's word since God's word was also inspired by the Holy Spirit. So the HS and the Word are one and the same as John 1:1-2 says. One will never disagree with the other.


So I have no desire to be on a forum where I post scripture then have you tell me that I didn't post scripture when that's FALSE. Making false claims doesn't honor Christ.

I also have no desire to be on a forum where you delete threads that ask you to back up your challenge that disagrees with MT. 23:10. You have given zero scripture contradicting MT. 23:10 so there's no reason to challenge it. If you believe Christ's words in MT. 23:10, as you claim, then there's no reason to claim that we have more than one teacher other than Christ.

But the fact that you deleted my threads shows that you yourself know you have been dishonest and have no desire for that dishonesty to be exposed. So you are not acting with integrity or Christian-like behavior.Nevertheless, God knows it so you aren't fooling me and you certainly aren't fooling God.

So since you're not capable of honest conversation, I thus have no desire to be on a forum where a mod acts deceitfully and can't even admit it. I mainly came back to edit my user information so I won't be receiving any more E-mails to threads to which I have subscribed. I'll leave it to the Lord to judge you on judgment day for trying to deceive Him.

I would definitely not expect you to stay against your will. It seems that you are very upset that I don't agree with your opinion of scripture and it's meaning. Maybe you should take a break from forums in general seeing how you obviously can't bear any oposing opinions without resorting to name calling and religious attitutde. Good day to you and good bye.
 
Well, Jiggyfly. I suppose I could have worded things better to not get banned, and if you want me to flag some post where you give a carefully worded response that would only be evident to a few, I'll be glad to do so.

By all means please do just start it in a new thread so this one won't continue to be derailed even further.
 
I kind of like this scripture.
Matthew 28:18-20
"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
 
Jesus is the Living Word. We have the written Word. The written Word will avail nothing unless breathed upon by the Holy Spirit. Unless He gives revelation into it's content one can practice the whole Book cover to cover and never know the Father.

I like how you expressed this. I agree with you.

On a side note:

{quote partial article from gotquestions.org}

Trying to understand the Bible can sometimes be a difficult task, but with God’s help, it is possible. Remember, if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, God's Spirit indwells you (Romans 8:9). The same God who "breathed out" Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17), is the same God who indwells you and will open your mind to the truth and understanding of His Word if you rely on Him. This is not to say that God will always make it easy. God desires us to search His Word and to fully explore its treasures. Understanding the Bible is not always easy, but it is always eminently rewarding.

John 16:13
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Carico, sorry but I disagree with your tone here.

Brother Mike, I think you should re-read your email you sent me 2 weeks ago asking for forgiveness and apologizing for your behavior prior to getting banned, before you go telling jiggy in this thread what happened. Let's not go through this again.

In response to the OP, it comes off too proud and judgmental. Actually, plainly arrogant in my opinion. It is not edifying at all, nor has no patient tone to teach the body (believers). Its pointless considering the tone and lack of purpose.
 
Trying to understand the Bible can sometimes be a difficult task, but with God’s help, it is possible. Remember, if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, God's Spirit indwells you (Romans 8:9). The same God who "breathed out" Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17), is the same God who indwells you and will open your mind to the truth and understanding of His Word if you rely on Him. This is not to say that God will always make it easy. God desires us to search His Word and to fully explore its treasures. Understanding the Bible is not always easy, but it is always eminently rewarding.

Very well put my brother.
 
Your right!!

Brother Mike, I think you should re-read your email you sent me 2 weeks ago asking for forgiveness and apologizing for your behavior prior to getting banned, before you go telling jiggy in this thread what happened. Let's not go through this again.

Your right Chad!!! I like Jiggyfly!!!

No problems outta me!!! No sir.


Be blessed everyone!!
 
There are just my views and I understand that there are certainly many more studious and knowledgeable than I:

Jesus is the Living Word.
We have the written Word.
The written Word will avail nothing unless breathed upon by the Holy Spirit. Unless He gives revelation into it's content one can practice the whole Book cover to cover and never know the Father.

All that being said I have the utmost confidence that our heavenly Father can communicate His will through today's translations. Though they are human translations they were all indeed originally given through humans. I find with very few exceptions that the difference between translations (with the exclusion of paraphrased version) is a minor difference in phrasing and the meanings generally the same.
The "older translations" that most speak of (the King James Version for example) are not necessarily taken from the older manuscripts.
Personally (on only in my opinion) unless one sees grevious and provable error in a bible the Word of God should be read by faith trusting in God to speak to your heart His will and truth.

I agree with you Boanerges but would like to add that God has not confined communication with us to the scriptures. The scriptures tell us that God speaks by HolySpirit who now lives within us. The scriptures make no claim of themselves but the do instruct us time and again to be led by HolySpirit. The new testament scriptures originated with HolySpirit speaking to the apostles and they are a great tool for confirmation but they are not intended by God to replace HolySpirit speaking to us directly today.

Jesus said we would know His voice and it is impossible to know anyone's voice by reading transcripts. Faith comes by hearing the word of God it doesn't say by reading or studying but by hearing and not only hearing what God has said but hearing what God is saying.

Many have made life long careers and lucrative salaries from teaching and preaching the prophecies of the "end times" in the scriptures and what is going to happen in the future. Yet few have taught others to just listen and be led by HolySpirit. He won't mislead or neglect to lead us. The purpose and outcome of any and all reference to the scriptures should be toward us learning to follow HolySpirit directly.
 
I'm afraid there are too many people who call themselves Christians who have no clue where to find the word of God. But if they don't know where to find the word of God, then they can't know who God is and thus can't worship Him.

The people who think that the bible contains errors in it either believe that the God they worship is fallible or that God is simply the imagination of the human authors of the bible. That would make him an imaginary God.

There is zero scripture that says that any part of scripture is fallible or is a lie. In fact, it says the opposite: 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed..." Thus, people who claim that the bible has errors in it have zero scriptural authority to say that. They're thus not speaking for God, but for Satan because only Satan says that God's word is in error.

So if you call yourself a Christian, yet say that the bible has errors in it, you are undermining the very source for your beliefs which is a house divided against itself which cannot stand. Jesus said; "He who is not with me is against me." One cannot be both.

Interesting - very interesting. When you are referring to Scripture in the context of 2Timothy 3:16, to what are you referring? Was the Apostle Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, referring to the original writings of the Hebrew scriptures without vowel points? Or, was he referring to the Hebrew scriptures that were written solely for the purpose of verbal reading - being very different from the “originals”? Or, was he referring to the Hebrew texts where vowel pointing was later introduced, such as found in the Masoretic Text? Or, was he referring to the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, and if so, which edition? Or, was he referring to the Septuagint (LXX) - the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures?

Or, was he referring to the Alexandrian or Egyptian type Greek texts? Was he referring to the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, the Majority Text, or the Textus Receptus (Received Text)?

Or was he referring to different translations of the Bible? If so, which ones? The Tyndale Bible? The Luther Bible? The Latin Vulgate? The 1611 Authorized Version, also know as the original King James Bible with the Apocrypha? Later versions of the King James Bible? The New King James Bible? The New International Version? The New American Standard Bible? The English Standard Version?

Or, was he referring to ALL OF THEM? NONE OF THEM? WHICH ONES? HOW DO YOU DECIDE?

And since ALL of the above texts and translations were a product of the scholarship of men, are none of them the Word of God? Is the Word of God found only in the “original writings” of which NONE EXIST TODAY?

So, tells us that we might understand - what scripture is “God-breathed” - so that we might know what you are talking about? Let’s see “what clue” YOU have as to where YOU find the Word of God. Doc
 
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