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The Two Witnesses? Dreams and Visions?

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Has anyone had dreams of the 2 witnesses?

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We, gentiles, are grafted into the vine, it does not make us Jews.
If, Paul, I graft a rose into my rosebush, if the cutting takes, the rose grafted in becomes part of the bush and can be accepted as such. I would have thought that when Paul likened us to grafted in branches, it would be the same, when the cutting takes, then the branch becomes part of the vine, which means we become what the vine is, and if the vine is Jewish, then that is what we become. This is not a bad thing, the Jews are those set aside for God, God's people, those who brought the knowledge of God to the world and the reason the world hates them. And as we are grafted into the people of God, we, being grafted in, are also hated. Praise the Lord we are who we are, on the right side!!
 
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If, Paul, I graft a rose into my rosebush, if the cutting takes, the rose grafted in becomes part of the bush and can be accepted as such. I would have thought that when Paul likened us to grafted in branches, it would be the same, when the cutting takes, then the branch becomes part of the vine, which means we become what the vine is, and if the vine is Jewish, then that is what we become. This is not a bad thing, the Jews are those set aside for God, God's people, those who brought the knowledge of God to the world and the reason the world hates them. And as we are grafted into the people of God, we, being grafted in, are also hated. Praise the Lord we are who we are, on the right side!!

Hi Trevor,

A very good post brother, thank you.

If I have a rose bush and graft another rose into the stem of the plant, it is as you say a rose, it has the original root, it has the original stem, but it was a red rose and now is a white rose. (No Lancashire Yorkshire war of the roses please LOL).

The rose may have been lets say called 'Jewish blood', but it is now 'Salvation white'. If it bears white flowers which rose is it?

So I have to consider this, the root, the lump is Holy, Jesus the branches are Holy, some of the branches have been pruned out, but the white rose has been grafted into the stem. Those grafted in are different to the original ones, but they are fed from the same 'Holy sap'

It is still a rose (type of flower) but it has new life in a new covenant, and is a different colour type.

Here the the main point is, not the rose, nor is it the branch, the main point is by being grafted in we are being filled with Holy Sap, the Holy Spirit, which we cannot have in us unless we are grafted into the original root and stem. Without Jesus we are nothing, we are dead, spiritually dead.

Bless you
 
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Jesus Christ was born into a Jewish family. We don't become Jewish when we accept Him as our personal Savior. We Do become a son or daughter of God. God becomes our Heavenly Father upon our salvation.

And it Is true that the Jews / the Children of Israel are God's chosen people. We Do become part of the body of Christ / The Church / Bride of Christ. But born again believers do not become Jewish.
 
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Hi Sue, you say that Pentecostal believers are more emotionally based. I would have said, more spiritually based, as they move in the Spirit, wouldn't you?.

Not especially -- God created us with individual personalities -- some are more emotionally based than others. I'm a passive worshiper. I"ve never felt led to raise my hands / arms in praise / worship. That does not make my less spiritual.
 
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Not especially -- God created us with individual personalities -- some are more emotionally based than others. I'm a passive worshiper. I"ve never felt led to raise my hands / arms in praise / worship. That does not make my less spiritual.
Perhaps...
But I notice usually when two young people fall in love.... they are very passionate, they are very animated about it. They hug, kiss, ... they can't keep their hands off each other. They love spending time together, they write love notes
and text each other a hundred times a day. When they are apart for more than one or two days... they run into each others arms, and tell each other how much they miss the other person.

After they've been married for 7 or 8 years... the honeymoon is over... Oh were you gone yesterday? I guess I didn't notice. Maybe they are a little "less in love" than they were 8 years ago.

I've heard people say.. "well I'm just not really a passionate person, I don't get excited about anything, I don't let my emotions rule me".

Then I've seen these same people curse someone who just cut them off in traffic. I've seen these same people jump up and down and throw their hands up and scream when their team scores a touchdown, or hits a home-run.
I've seen these people cry over sad, romantic movies. I've seen them cry when the puppy got run over. I've seen them rant and curse because the property taxes went up.

I have to wonder... where is their heart?

The Bible says God was angry. The Bible says God is a jealous God. The Bible says Jesus wept.

Maybe passion and emotions aren't all bad.
 
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I've never said that passion / emotions are Bad at all. Our ways of expressing that varies by the individual.

I've never cursed in my life -- I'm not an overly emotional person. I'm in my early 70's.

You're talking about young people. I've never really been the jump up and down kind of person for much anything.

Have Always been a conservative, book-reading, bike riding , TV watching kind of person.

Sorry If I disappoint you in this area.

I do feel deeply -- don't like to cry in front of anyone. The only time I cried around people was in the children's ER at Dell Children's Hospital when my grandson died. He was almost 14 yrs. of age.

The comment had been made about how people in Pentecostal churches respond during church services. And apparently that particular poster felt that a 'spirit-filled' worshiper should be worshiping in a 'spirited' way.
That's probably why I'm not in a Pentecostal Church. I'm a conservative Baptist.
 
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If, Paul, I graft a rose into my rosebush, if the cutting takes, the rose grafted in becomes part of the bush and can be accepted as such. I would have thought that when Paul likened us to grafted in branches, it would be the same, when the cutting takes, then the branch becomes part of the vine, which means we become what the vine is, and if the vine is Jewish, then that is what we become. This is not a bad thing, the Jews are those set aside for God, God's people, those who brought the knowledge of God to the world and the reason the world hates them. And as we are grafted into the people of God, we, being grafted in, are also hated. Praise the Lord we are who we are, on the right side!!
Well said . Its exactly the way i see it , including that the Jews are still there .

There is something interesting with the Jews which i can believe is ignored by some . . When God spoke to Moses , He said " I Am " . But this is as close as it gets in the English verbiage. As the literal translation would be " I's Am Whom Am " . Its a ' singular plural noun ' Ancient Hebrew . At the time of Moses , they already knew there was God , and the Spirit of God . And that God was One
 
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I've never said that passion / emotions are Bad at all. Our ways of expressing that varies by the individual.

I've never cursed in my life -- I'm not an overly emotional person. I'm in my early 70's.

You're talking about young people. I've never really been the jump up and down kind of person for much anything.

Have Always been a conservative, book-reading, bike riding , TV watching kind of person.

Sorry If I disappoint you in this area.

I do feel deeply -- don't like to cry in front of anyone. The only time I cried around people was in the children's ER at Dell Children's Hospital when my grandson died. He was almost 14 yrs. of age.

The comment had been made about how people in Pentecostal churches respond during church services. And apparently that particular poster felt that a 'spirit-filled' worshiper should be worshiping in a 'spirited' way.
That's probably why I'm not in a Pentecostal Church. I'm a conservative Baptist.
I have been to many Baptist Churches . They are not all the same .

Some are very much like the Pentecostals. Filled with ' emotion ' and the Spirit , and others that were much more quiet and reserved , and filled with the Spirit .

I like to think of all of us and those " man made " ( not really man made ) churches as part of God's Orchestra.
 
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Greetings Bill

A nice way to put it my friend, but we don't need denominations to have an orchestra, it is all ready in place across the globe.

Saved souls, the ekklesia, where ever 2 or 3 come together in Jesus Name, those born again souls worldwide are singing His Praises, Hallelujah brother, to God be the Glory, Jesus is Lord.
 
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I'm kind of poking fun at many of you here who have this issue about churches being man-made . It's a false pretense and it's something that the devil likes to throw at us to try to divide us .

Churches come about through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Now certainly there are some who walk a strange path. And there are some who are obviously against the Lord such as churches that started as a Christian Church but a pastor has corrupted the parishioners and now it's open to gays and all manner of sin only because the pastor wants to go that route.

Those churches have had Their Blessings removed from them as the presence of the Holy Spirit has left

But Christian churches in general have been selected by the Holy Spirit. To bring God's purpose into the world. So don't ever say to one another man-made churches in general thinking of all Christian churches because you are talking against the Holy Spirit when you do that
 
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Greetings Bill

A nice way to put it my friend, but we don't need denominations to have an orchestra, it is all ready in place across the globe.

Saved souls, the ekklesia, where ever 2 or 3 come together in Jesus Name, those born again souls worldwide are singing His Praises, Hallelujah brother, to God be the Glory, Jesus is Lord.
Tell me something do you know what a denomination is ? A denomination is where you have two or three people of like mind having the same thought process and the same philosophy coming together.

Isn't that the same principle that you argue as being a church

And you forget one little detail the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
 
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The church is the ekklesia, nothing made made, 100% Holy Spirit created.

It includes, men, women and children, all ages, regardless of ability, disability, colour or tongue, providing they are born again from above, they are spiritual stones in the one true church, the bride of Christ, of which Jesus is the head.

This is the only bride He is promised to, these are ones who will be with him for all eternity.
 
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Tell me something do you know what a denomination is ? A denomination is where you have two or three people of like mind having the same thought process and the same philosophy coming together.

Isn't that the same principle that you argue as being a church

And you forget one little detail the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

A denomination is a group of people, who like to worship a certain way, the congregation is made up of saved and unsaved souls, varying from denomination to denomination. But the true church is only the saved souls. The ekklesia is the church.

The building is also not a church, not from scripture anyway. It is a word introduced by the RCC, around 500 AD I thing, not sure on the date, I am sure of the fact. They called the church building a church using the Word kuriakon, but this word is no where in scripture.
 
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I've never said that passion / emotions are Bad at all. Our ways of expressing that varies by the individual.

I've never cursed in my life -- I'm not an overly emotional person. I'm in my early 70's.

You're talking about young people. I've never really been the jump up and down kind of person for much anything.

Have Always been a conservative, book-reading, bike riding , TV watching kind of person.

Sorry If I disappoint you in this area.

I do feel deeply -- don't like to cry in front of anyone. The only time I cried around people was in the children's ER at Dell Children's Hospital when my grandson died. He was almost 14 yrs. of age.

The comment had been made about how people in Pentecostal churches respond during church services. And apparently that particular poster felt that a 'spirit-filled' worshiper should be worshiping in a 'spirited' way.
That's probably why I'm not in a Pentecostal Church. I'm a conservative Baptist.
It's okay Sue I know you and I know your heart and I will be so happy to see you when you are in heaven because everything that's inside of you that's all wound up a is the best way to put it but all that happiness and all that craziness that's inside of you is going to come out of you you will be so full of laughter and everything else it's just going to be nuts that little kid that's inside of you is just going to go crazy
 
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Tell me something do you know what a denomination is ? A denomination is where you have two or three people of like mind having the same thought process and the same philosophy coming together.

Isn't that the same principle that you argue as being a church

And you forget one little detail the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

A denomination is being Lutheran, Baptist, RCC, etc. a belief System. I'm Baptist rather than Methodist or Lutheran or any of the others.

And that is Also a church -- where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in the midst thereof.
 
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A denomination is a group of people, who like to worship a certain way, the congregation is made up of saved and unsaved souls, varying from denomination to denomination. But the true church is only the saved souls. The ekklesia is the church.

The building is also not a church, not from scripture anyway. It is a word introduced by the RCC, around 500 AD I thing, not sure on the date, I am sure of the fact. They called the church building a church using the Word kuriakon, but this word is no where in scripture.
 
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A denomination is being Lutheran, Baptist, RCC, etc. a belief System. I'm Baptist rather than Methodist or Lutheran or any of the others.

And that is Also a church -- where two or three are gathered together in My name, there I am in the midst thereof.

They are denominations Sue, man made. The Church is the ekklesia, the born again souls. No matter how many people are in a congregation, only the born again ones are the ekklesia, the true church, the bride of Christ. The others are lost souls, to take Jesus words, if God is not their father the devil is.

See the following link, Post 142 & 147

 
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