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David954, I’m not sure how you work this webForum site, but could you post (bullet point) your responses in one post so I can answer them for you. Thanks.

I can’t go back and forth through what you said but:
  • Jesus did not create the world and all in it. It was created FOR HIM... and by ‘Him’ what is meant is :
    • ‘The ‘Firstborn Son of God’...
    • ‘The Foremost HUMAN Son of God’
And the Holy Angels are undoubtably, ‘Spirit Sons of God’. It even tells you so in Genesis... But you may be thinking that angels are not ‘God’s Sons by procreation!’
Well, David...:
  • Spirit does not Procreate... Spirit only Creates
  • God does not procreate
  • Angels do not procreate
David, the definition of ‘Sons is:
  • ‘He who does the works of the Father’
The scriptures tells you this:
  • ‘All who follow the Spirit [of God] are children of God’
You can see that the Holy Spirit angels ‘do the works of their creator’ ... else they become cast out Demon angels.
You can see that Humans who do fully the works of their creator Father.

note the difference between creator and procreator ... the latter is their direct paternal human ***** donor Father. But a TRUE SON is ANY human who does the works fully of the one who sets him the work to do... as Adam DID up until he sinned, and Jesus did, and still does, for all his life and eternally... hence Jesus is as yet the ONLY [True] Human Son of Almighty God: the Father.

The reward of Jesus Christ for his revelation of the Father to us, and his selfless sacrifice for the sin of Adam, is to ACQUIRE and be SEATED on the throne of his forefather, King David, the nearest to God who was but sinned, the one Almighty God called, ‘My David’ (‘I have found my David’).

Now why does ‘Jesus-God’ desire to be seated on a human throne over Creation AS A REWARD when and if he is Almighty God who sits on a far far greater throne in the kingdom of HEAVEN?

And, am I yet again to be confronted with the false belief of trinity regarding the great verses in Isaiah? The words misquoted by trinity claiming the sin is to be ‘a Mighty God’, or just ‘Mighty God’ do not mean so.
You will see that it is a FUTURE EVENT... ‘SHALL BE CALLED’... and the word, ‘God’ also means, ‘RULER’. We know there is only one TRUE God, so the son cannot BECOME (shall Be???! Doesn’t say that... says ‘Shall be CALLED’...!) And this one true God says, ‘Beside(s) me there is no [other] God.... I am the First and the Last’.

And the ‘Eternal Father’... I’m boggled that you are blindsided by this verse selection.
At the judgement seat, Jesus Christ judges all humanity and designated those who he deems worthy to ETERNAL LIFE. Thus he will GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE... and since he GIVES THEM ETERNAL LIFE, he is their [Spiritual] ETERNAL FATHER.
I assumed you know that the definition of Father is:
  • ‘He who GIVES LIFE TO...’
  • ‘He who brings into being...’
  • ‘He who creates...’
  • ‘He who is the head...’
‘God’, ‘Father’, ‘Lord’, ‘Master’, etc... are TITLES which ANYONE can acquire BY CONTEXT. When we speak of ‘our God’, YHWH, we actually mean:
  • ‘The DEITY we worship as our ONLY GOD’
Because WE believe in ONLY ONE DEITY who is our GOD, we can remove the extended definition and just say, ‘God’. It is only by Jewish fear concerning HIS NAME (YHWH) that we even now do not call him by this sacred name. Yet no one has a problem saying, ‘Jesus’... ha! And the trinity third person does not even have a name ... no surprise since it is just(?) the Holy Power of YHWH... not a person.
Do you ever consider it INCONSIDERATE that you have a DEITY that does not have a name and is designated as ONLY A THIRD RATE GOD???
 
JustAskin said:
David954, I’m not sure how you work this webForum site, but could you post (bullet point) your responses in one post so I can answer them for you. Thanks.

I can’t go back and forth through what you said but:
  • Jesus did not create the world and all in it. It was created FOR HIM... and by ‘Him’ what is meant is :
    • ‘The ‘Firstborn Son of God’...
    • ‘The Foremost HUMAN Son of God’
And the Holy Angels are undoubtably, ‘Spirit Sons of God’. It even tells you so in Genesis... But you may be thinking that angels are not ‘God’s Sons by procreation!’
Well, David...:
  • Spirit does not Procreate... Spirit only Creates
  • God does not procreate
  • Angels do not procreate
David, the definition of ‘Sons is:
  • ‘He who does the works of the Father’
The scriptures tells you this:
  • ‘All who follow the Spirit [of God] are children of God’
You can see that the Holy Spirit angels ‘do the works of their creator’ ... else they become cast out Demon angels.
You can see that Humans who do fully the works of their creator Father.

note the difference between creator and procreator ... the latter is their direct paternal human ***** donor Father. But a TRUE SON is ANY human who does the works fully of the one who sets him the work to do... as Adam DID up until he sinned, and Jesus did, and still does, for all his life and eternally... hence Jesus is as yet the ONLY [True] Human Son of Almighty God: the Father.

The reward of Jesus Christ for his revelation of the Father to us, and his selfless sacrifice for the sin of Adam, is to ACQUIRE and be SEATED on the throne of his forefather, King David, the nearest to God who was but sinned, the one Almighty God called, ‘My David’ (‘I have found my David’).

Now why does ‘Jesus-God’ desire to be seated on a human throne over Creation AS A REWARD when and if he is Almighty God who sits on a far far greater throne in the kingdom of HEAVEN?

And, am I yet again to be confronted with the false belief of trinity regarding the great verses in Isaiah? The words misquoted by trinity claiming the sin is to be ‘a Mighty God’, or just ‘Mighty God’ do not mean so.
You will see that it is a FUTURE EVENT... ‘SHALL BE CALLED’... and the word, ‘God’ also means, ‘RULER’. We know there is only one TRUE God, so the son cannot BECOME (shall Be???! Doesn’t say that... says ‘Shall be CALLED’...!) And this one true God says, ‘Beside(s) me there is no [other] God.... I am the First and the Last’.

And the ‘Eternal Father’... I’m boggled that you are blindsided by this verse selection.
At the judgement seat, Jesus Christ judges all humanity and designated those who he deems worthy to ETERNAL LIFE. Thus he will GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE... and since he GIVES THEM ETERNAL LIFE, he is their [Spiritual] ETERNAL FATHER.
I assumed you know that the definition of Father is:
  • ‘He who GIVES LIFE TO...’
  • ‘He who brings into being...’
  • ‘He who creates...’
  • ‘He who is the head...’
‘God’, ‘Father’, ‘Lord’, ‘Master’, etc... are TITLES which ANYONE can acquire BY CONTEXT. When we speak of ‘our God’, YHWH, we actually mean:
  • ‘The DEITY we worship as our ONLY GOD’
Because WE believe in ONLY ONE DEITY who is our GOD, we can remove the extended definition and just say, ‘God’. It is only by Jewish fear concerning HIS NAME (YHWH) that we even now do not call him by this sacred name. Yet no one has a problem saying, ‘Jesus’... ha! And the trinity third person does not even have a name ... no surprise since it is just(?) the Holy Power of YHWH... not a person.
Do you ever consider it INCONSIDERATE that you have a DEITY that does not have a name and is designated as ONLY A THIRD RATE GOD???
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Dude, why so many of your words, and so little of the Word?
 
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -John 1

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

When God speaks, Jesus works.
 
David, no matter what untruth trinity spins to you, Hebrews 1 is speaking of Almighty God, the Father. Remember what the definition of ‘Father’ means?

And that other verse in Corinthians... ‘FAKE’... It has been corrupted.
It can be seen as so because it only INFERS that the Son is the creator ... But then claims that it was made FOR HIM!!!
David, don’t you see the corruption:
  • WHO MADE IT FOR HIM?
  • Why does he ACQUIRE it as a REWARD if it is his as a creation?
  • Its throne is a HUMAN throne... a rulership over a physical flesh world - yet your Jesus-God is ALMIGHTY SPIRIT
  • Jesus was RAISED UP IN GLORY to acquire it... since when and HOW is Almighty God ‘RAISED UP IN GLORY’?
 
JustAskin said:
David, no matter what untruth trinity spins to you, Hebrews 1 is speaking of Almighty God, the Father. Remember what the definition of ‘Father’ means?

And that other verse in Corinthians... ‘FAKE’... It has been corrupted.
It can be seen as so because it only INFERS that the Son is the creator ... But then claims that it was made FOR HIM!!!
David, don’t you see the corruption:
  • WHO MADE IT FOR HIM?
  • Why does he ACQUIRE it as a REWARD if it is his as a creation?
  • Its throne is a HUMAN throne... a rulership over a physical flesh world - yet your Jesus-God is ALMIGHTY SPIRIT
  • Jesus was RAISED UP IN GLORY to acquire it... since when and HOW is Almighty God ‘RAISED UP IN GLORY’?
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Okay. I'm following you. The Bible is not reliable, so our only choice is to follow the doctrines you invented.
 
David1954 said:
Except, of course, Jesus is God.
Complicated.
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Glad you see the conundrum, David.

  • Almighty God speaks to Jesus-God and Jesus obeys Almighty God... yet Jesus-God is Almighty God!!
  • Jesus-God was ‘made a little lower than the angels’.... interesting!!
  • How is an Almighty Ruler made less than ALMIGHTY and yet REMAIN ALMIGHTY??
 
JustAskin said:
Glad you see the conundrum, David.

  • Almighty God speaks to Jesus-God and Jesus obeys Almighty God... yet Jesus-God is Almighty God!!
  • Jesus-God was ‘made a little lower than the angels’.... interesting!!
  • How is an Almighty Ruler made less than ALMIGHTY and yet REMAIN ALMIGHTY??
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These things are spiritually discerned.

You people who have not been baptized in the Spirit can't see it.

I will help anyone pursue Holy Spirit baptizm.
 
David1954 said:
Okay. I'm following you. The Bible is not reliable, so our only choice is to follow the doctrines you invented.
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David, NO!!!! The scriptures gives us guidance - the unreliability of their scriptures is easily unravelled. For every corruption there are integrity checks that will reconcile back to the truth.

David, think about this:
Do we as humans not hold data, information, writings, valuable books, etc, for which the contents are vital? How do we guarantee that these contents are maintained without error despite attempts or accidental corruption?
We use DATA INTEGRITY CHECKS... We use multiple copies held in different places - the disk drive in large computer systems use multiple disks with the SAME data, copies, so if one disk gets corrupted the data from the other two disks RECONSTITUTE the corrupted disk...
David, if WE as humans can have the wear-with-all to protect our data and values information in such a way... WHY WOULD ALMIGHTY GOD not do so to HIS WORD: The Gospels? The Torah, The Scriptures... Are we SMARTER than our creator : Almighty God: the Father?
Indeed, HE has done so. But Trinitarians do not seek integrity- they seek the corruption to justify their ideology only.
 
Samson2020 said:
"I in the Father and the Father in me." And "the words I speak I speak not of myself but the Father doeth the works."
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Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Why would Jesus need to ascend to his Father when his Father was living inside him?
 
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