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How did you come upon such information?
When you tell us to neglect the Word of God, and trust you... lol. Prolly not gonna happen. But you have your disciples. Screw with them.
yeah I missed that. what does Everlasting Father mean?
So, everyone on this site, who believes the Word of God, now knows you are telling us you know the truth and the Bible ain't it. So, shouldn't you go somewhere, where people are into that?
You've seduced Samsun2020. Score the win and go away.
What ‘Word’ are you referring to?
That would be God's telling us what He thinks.
Are you saying you didn’t know that the prophesied title ‘Everlasting Father’ was referring to Jesus Christ ‘Giving Everlasting Life’ to those whom he deems worthy as he judges them at the end of time?
Ard you saying that you didn’t know that Jesus was to become ‘Mighty RULER’ over the created world sitting on the human throne of his ancestor, King David?
Are you saying that you were unaware that Jesus is the SECOND and LAST ADAM: Born sinless and Holy, not of the seed of a man but directly by almighty God, himself?
Are you saying you don’t know that the Angels were the ones Almighty God was speaking to when he said: ‘Let US make man in OUR image....’ and God made man in HIS IMAGE....!!!
Did you not know that ‘Image’ is not referring to ‘picture’, ‘shape’, or ‘Visual features’, but rather, ‘NATURE’... that is to say, ‘Wisdom, Power, Grace, Nurturing, husbanding, vanity, pride, ingenuity, able to judge in righteousness, perceptive, creative, inventive, loving, intelligent, mindful, self-managing , self compelled, wilful, etc.’ way beyond the animal world. As the scriptures says, ‘Man was made a little lower than the angels...’. The Angel are a little ‘more’ intelligent than mankind but have less free-will than the wilfulness of man. They are dedicated service agents but man has freedom to CHOOSE to do the Will of God.
Remember that ONLY THE BODY of Adam was created - and it was NOT LIVING... then God BLEW THE BREATH OF LIFE INTO HIM and ‘Adam BECAME a LIVING SOUL’!
Remember that the rebellious SONS OF GOD ...MADE human-like bodies for themselves - unlivened bodies - and livened then by putting THEIR OWN SPIRIT (themselves) into those bodies to make them become living humanoids.
So making a BODY is not a problem for an Angel... it is making it a LIVING SOUL that is the problem. Adam was enlivened by GOD, It does not take THREE ALMIGHTY GODS to produce an image of God... and which part of man is THREE GODS?
I really have no idea what you mean. I have just started posting here...!
Nothing I have seen you post holds any water regarding anything that proves a trinity of three co-equal Almighties who are are NOT co-equal but hold rankings with with each lesser and lesser authority and power... one being the HEAD GOD and another who is an HEIR and the third that holds no authority but is only an EMANATION of the first... oh, doesn’t the trinity say that the Holy Spirit is an emanation from the Father? Didn’t you know that?
So how is an emanation a PERSON?
An emanation that ‘takes of what is’ Jesus’ (it lacks!) and “what is Jesus’” is given to him BY the Father (‘The Father has put all things into my hands’) meaning that Jesus LACKED until the Father gave him. I don’t understand a God who LACKS! Or are you using done strange definition of ‘God’ that only Trinitarians understand? I thought a GOD lacked for nothing... he gives first and expects back VOLUNTARILY to show love... if he desired he could take back what he gave by force but love is the better way!
Who is this almighty three who except for one, lacks!!!?
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You ask a very good question and here is the answer:
His Father withdrew from him while he took upon himself the sin of the world.
John 7:39 "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: For the Holy Ghost was not yet given;
BECAUSE THAT JESUS WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED."
John 20:1 " The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene EARLY, when it was yet dark............."
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, touch me not; for I have not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND TO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."
John 20:19 "Then the SAME DAY AT EVENING......came Jesus and stood in the midst......."
John 20:22 " And when he had said thus he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the HOLY GHOST:"
If you put these together and read them you will see that he ascended to his Father and our Father early in the morning on the day of his resurrection. During this days
absence is when he was GLORIFIED BY HIS FATHER AND GIVEN THE RIGHT TO GIVE THE HOLY GHOST as it shows us in John 7:39 and 20:22.
He had to be glorified first before the Holy Ghost could be given by him and that glorification took place in heaven. Hence the ascensions necessity as thats where his Father was.
You have to remember the Father withdrew from him while he took upon himself the sin of the world. We have evidence of this while he was on the cross as he said
" MY God MY God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46
Which leaves us with a whole lot of scripture that says he was not his own Father nor his own God. And you don't even have to be spiritual to see it.
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And the ‘Eternal Father’... I’m boggled that you are blindsided by this verse selection.
At the judgement seat, Jesus Christ judges all humanity and designated those who he deems worthy to ETERNAL LIFE. Thus he will GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE... and since he GIVES THEM ETERNAL LIFE, he is their [Spiritual] ETERNAL FATHER.
I assumed you know that the definition of Father is:
- ‘He who GIVES LIFE TO...’
- ‘He who brings into being...’
- ‘He who creates...’
- ‘He who is the head...’
- ‘The DEITY we worship as our ONLY GOD’
Do you ever consider it INCONSIDERATE that you have a DEITY that does not have a name and is designated as ONLY A THIRD RATE GOD???”
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Luk 24:49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
Jesus said this just before his ascension to his Father, not after he was raised from the dead!
Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
The Holy Spirit was not yet poured because Jesus had not been "glorified"!
The day of Pentecost was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which was proof Jesus was glorified, and stitting on the right hand of God.
Only after Jesus's ascension into Heaven was the Holy Spirit given which Peter confirmed in Acts 2:33
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Act 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Act 1:4 And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;
Act 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
Pentecost could not happen until Jesus was glorified, and that did not happen after Jesus's resurrection from the dead, but after his ascension to the Father!
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
This event happened after Jesus had risen from the dead, but before his ascension to his Father, while his Father was still in him in this world!
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There were two ascensions. The first was what I mentioned in John 20 just read it. The last or second was his leaving mentioned in Mark 16:19 it says he was received up into heaven and sat on the right hand of God.
Looks like you didn't even bother to read what I laid out plainly for you. Your bad, not mine. It was spoon fed for a baby to see.
Did you actually read what you posted? "but before his ascension to his Father, while his Father was still in him!"????? I thought that was your question as to why he needed to ascend. Lots of confusion for some on this site. Sad indeed. "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
Looks like you didn't even bother to read what I laid out plainly for you. Your bad, not mine. It was spoon fed for a baby to see.
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Those "two ascensions" are the "two accounts" of the "same event"!
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Was God the Father living inside Jesus before his ascension as he told Philip in John 14:9 ?
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Not so.
Read Matthew 28 first 9 verses especially verse 9. See where the women worshiped him and held him by the feet. He would not allow anyone to touch him until he ascended the first time ,John 20:17, then came back and was with them and then let them touch the nail holes and his side and let the women hold his feet.
Gotta look at all the accounts, can't assume just one for there were two.
Yes, during that time you are correct.
But the Father had to depart from him as he took upon himself the sin of the world. That is why he said My God MY God why hast thou forsaken me on the cross.
If God were IN HIM he would have known.
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, you should already know these minor things if you have studied.
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How long did Jesus roam the earth after his resurrection before he ascended to his father?
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
Act 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Jesus's disciples would NOT become partakers of the Holy Spirit until after Jesus has ascended to Heaven, and that would NOT happen until 40 days after his resurrection from the dead!
Why would Jesus not want Mary to "cling, to hold on to him"?
He wanted her to go tell his brethren about his resurrection! Jesus would NOT ascend to his father for forty days which is what it says in Acts 1:2-3
Joh 20:17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God. (AMP)
Joh 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” (ESV)
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