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Quran A false Writing

Asd for the Quran. It maybe interesting to many to read the story given in The Second chapter; about the creation of Adam and The Ohers. It does give One Food For Thought; Just like the Tree in The Garden did to Eve!
DeepSeeker
 
Says who?

All you are doing right now is parroting the claims of Paul. Peter, however, felt otherwise:

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.- Acts 15:6, 7 KJV

Peter said this in public at the church council, and NOBODY disagreed.

Paul made a number of claims that should concern anyone who deeply seeks.

The initial accounts of Paul meeting an angel of light calling itself Jesus say absolutely nothing about any Mission to the Gentiles.

The FIRST mention of this is to Ananias:

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:- Acts 9:15 KJV

Why do people forget this second part? And then why did Paul REJECT this part?

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.- Acts 13:46 KJV

This was Paul's own decision. The text does not say, "lo, the Lord has directed us to turn to the Gentiles." And if Paul was designated as this Apostle to the Gentiles at the start, why did Paul not obey that but evangelized in the Synagogues instead? Paul just got offended that not enough Jews were listening to his message (and rightly so for reasons that we can't get into at the moment), a message that was quite acceptable to the Pagan.
Why do people forget this second part? And then why did Paul REJECT this part?
Pardon for butting in, but the above caught my eye.

You know that wherever Paul would go, he would start at the Synagogues and then wind up with the Gentiles because he was rejected and faced much suffering from the Jews, that he would go to the Gentiles, along with those Jews who believed what he said, but in a different location. So, in truth the Apostles all preached to who was available to preach to, be they Jew or Gentile. Which does not go against what the Lord said to Ananias in Acts 9:15-16 concerning Saul.

Or...

Are you saying that the Apostles were limited to who they could preach to? That God could not assign multiple Apostles to preach to whoever he wanted to but if so, they could only do so in a specific order? :)

Rejection really caught my eye. :( There was no rejection by Paul but only adopted a method of ministry that all have been grateful for in the ages since. Keep in mind that there were Gentiles in the synagogue's as well, converted of course, but still Gentiles of which some left with Paul when he was chased away by the local religious leaders, or he became frustrated with them and made the move. Which just shows that the Apostles were not perfect either and all had their moments, I'm sure. So, there was no rejection by Paul.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Says who?

All you are doing right now is parroting the claims of Paul. Peter, however, felt otherwise:

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
- Acts 15:6, 7 KJV

Peter said this in public at the church council, and NOBODY disagreed.

Paul made a number of claims that should concern anyone who deeply seeks.

The initial accounts of Paul meeting an angel of light calling itself Jesus say absolutely nothing about any Mission to the Gentiles.

The FIRST mention of this is to Ananias:

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
- Acts 9:15 KJV

Why do people forget this second part? And then why did Paul REJECT this part?

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
- Acts 13:46 KJV

This was Paul's own decision. The text does not say, "lo, the Lord has directed us to turn to the Gentiles." And if Paul was designated as this Apostle to the Gentiles at the start, why did Paul not obey that but evangelized in the Synagogues instead? Paul just got offended that not enough Jews were listening to his message (and rightly so for reasons that we can't get into at the moment), a message that was quite acceptable to the Pagan.


Which Judaism? According to Josephus there were four distinct branches of Judaism that did not agree with one another. Indeed the Pharisees and Sadducees had been assassinating one another over the previous 150 years. One might better say that Paul was attempting to destroy the Messianic Jesus Movement one death at a time when the Damascus event in the desert happened.

But the motives behind Paul's decisions as his ministry progressed and evolved over time are not as simplistic as one's Sunday School teacher would have you believe.


There are no "Two Gospels." There was not a gospel for Jews and a gospel for Gentiles. This is a rather new fictional interpretation created by the Dispensationalists and promulgated by Scofield. I'm sure @The Gospel of Christ could direct you to his threads that deal with this heresy.

Jesus made absolutely no mention of Two Gospels whatsoever, so NO, I don't need to consider anything that Jesus did not teach.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
- Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.​
- Mark 16:14-16 KJV

THE Gospel. Gospel SINGULAR. Not Two Gospels. The Gospel did not change because of the resurrection. Rather, the resurrection of Jesus proved that His teaching (and His teaching alone) was true.

So if you believe Jesus, why should you need to believe anybody else?

That's an adulteration.

Rhema
RHEMA
I appreciate Your input. However, There are indeed, Two Gospels. The First being that which was given To Isreal, For Isreal.;
The second, which was preached by Paul, to all in This World. 1- The Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven. 2-The Gospel of God, which Pail preached to ALL Who were being called.

Should That which was given to Isreal be taken for Us Today? If so, We too, should be looking for the Red Bull to be killed. I prefer to keep Christ Jesus as My sacrifice.
DeepSeeker


Pardon for butting in, but the above caught my eye.

You know that wherever Paul would go, he would start at the Synagogues and then wind up with the Gentiles because he was rejected and faced much suffering from the Jews, that he would go to the Gentiles, along with those Jews who believed what he said, but in a different location. So, in truth the Apostles all preached to who was available to preach to, be they Jew or Gentile. Which does not go against what the Lord said to Ananias in Acts 9:15-16 concerning Saul.

Or...

Are you saying that the Apostles were limited to who they could preach to? That God could not assign multiple Apostles to preach to whoever he wanted to but if so, they could only do so in a specific order? :)

Rejection really caught my eye. :( There was no rejection by Paul but only adopted a method of ministry that all have been grateful for in the ages since. Keep in mind that there were Gentiles in the synagogue's as well, converted of course, but still Gentiles of which some left with Paul when he was chased away by the local religious leaders, or he became frustrated with them and made the move. Which just shows that the Apostles were not perfect either and all had their moments, I'm sure. So, there was no rejection by Paul.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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RHEMA
I appreciate Your input. However, There are indeed, Two Gospels. The First being that which was given To Isreal, For Isreal.;
The second, which was preached by Paul, to all in This World. 1- The Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven. 2-The Gospel of God, which Pail preached to ALL Who were being called.

Should That which was given to Isreal be taken for Us Today? If so, We too, should be looking for the Red Bull to be killed. I prefer to keep Christ Jesus as My sacrifice.

DeepSeeker
 
Amendment:

If We just take everything in The Bible, and make it apply to everyone, in all ages, that will eliminate The Need to rightly divide the word of truth! Then there would be no need to Study to show Yourself approved of God, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth!

So how easy that would make it ?

I prefer: To study to show myself approved of God!
DeepSeeker
 
IF the Addressing of the gospels is of no importance; then why address them to whom They were written to? Why address any of The Bible writngs?Let just take everything written in It and say that IT applies to every human, for all times? Gee, That would make things much simpler, wouldn't ?
Who are you addressing this comment to?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Maybe there has somewhere here been a writing on The Two Kingdoms? The 1st. Kingdom was the Kingdom Of heaven; given to Isreal. The Second Kingdom, is that of Today; The Kingdom of God. That One being for all people of The Earth, and not just Isreal, was, The Kingdom of Heaven. Check it out please.
DeepSeeker
 
Indeed ! You are correct. There was; The gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven; given to Isreal by Jesus. Then there is; The gospel of God,
Correct about what? There is only one Gospel. Period. There is only one Messiah. Period.

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​
- Mark 1:14-15 KJV

If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached. Period. We teach nothing but that which the Son of God, sent by God to preach the Gospel, taught.

I'm sorry, but all these designations of Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God, Gospel of Christ, Gospel to the Gentiles, ... there is no significance in the titles. They are synonyms. There is only one Gospel, and there is only one King - the King of Glory. If Paul preaches that which Jesus taught, then I commend his message. And he did so in Acts 13:

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:​
- Acts 13:38 KJV

Not through Moses, not through the Levites, not through Abraham or circumcision, Jesus preached unto you the way through which one is forgiven one's sin. How? The Father forgives sin when we repent and ask in prayer -

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.​
- Matthew 6:12 KJV

And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.​
- Luke 11:4 KJV

But if Paul ever preaches something that Jesus did not, then we should be cautious. Jesus didn't die to kill off one Gospel and then create another. Why? Because Jesus said nothing of the sort after his resurrection. He spent 40 days with his disciples after His resurrection and before his ascension. If something of so great a significance happened as to change the Gospel that Jesus started preaching in Mark 1, then it would be mentioned in Matthew, Mark or Luke.

The silence of any Two Gospel narrative from Jesus is deafening.

I sure like Your knowledge!
Well thank you kindly. It was hard fought for, and I did need to learn Greek. But there are many people who cannot stand to hear what I say. Many people think to insult me by calling me a Red Letter Christian. I actually find it a compliment, though, and I start to wonder what other Gospel those people believe.

I see that there is a need to keep STUDYING!
I recommend this New Testament Interlinear - I started using it over 50 years ago.


God Bless,
Rhema
 
Rejection really caught my eye. :( There was no rejection by Paul
But I gave you the actual verse where Paul rejected a continuing ministry to the Jews.

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.​
- Acts 13:46-47 KJV

Paul took a Prophecy in Isaiah, a Prophecy about Jesus mind you, and applied it to himself.

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
- Isaiah 42:6 KJV

And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.​
- Isaiah 49:6 KJV

These are not about Paul. They are about Jesus - as shown here:

And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.​
- Luke 2:27-33 KJV

Paul did the same thing in Acts 22, where he started a riot. The Jews were fine with Paul preaching Jesus, right up until he said this:

And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.​
- Acts 22:21 KJV

Paul claimed that the prophecy in Isaiah 66 was about him.

And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
- Isaiah 66:19 KJV

That God could not assign multiple Apostles to preach to whoever he wanted to but if so, they could only do so in a specific order? :)
Not God, but that's what Paul claimed.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
- Romans 11:13 KJV

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;​
- Galatians 2:7 KJV

It's obvious that Paul made a clear and adamant division here. It's also one of the places that people use to preach this Two Gospel heresy.

There is only one Covenant in Jesus - the one Jesus taught that we should obey.

Rhema
 
Rejection really caught my eye. :( There was no rejection by Paul but only adopted a method of ministry that all have been grateful for in the ages since. Keep in mind that there were Gentiles in the synagogue's as well, converted of course, but still Gentiles of which some left with Paul when he was chased away by the local religious leaders, or he became frustrated with them and made the move. Which just shows that the Apostles were not perfect either and all had their moments, I'm sure. So, there was no rejection by Paul.
Rejection really caught my eye. :( There was no rejection by Paul
But I gave you the actual verse where Paul rejected a continuing ministry to the Jews.
Continuing???? Chop, chop, chop my brother :)
As you well know when text, context, and greater context is not considered, it can easily distort what is happening, which is what you have done with my words, and with Scripture.

How many verses does it take to make my point that it was his habit to first visit the synagogues during his ministry of evangelism, which would not be the case if he was rejecting a "continuing" ministry to the Jews. Just because he tells one group of Jews that he's now going to go to the Gentiles, doesn't mean that he's rejecting "all" Jews, but just the ones he is talking to. If you had said in this one instance, then fine, but Scripture clearly shows it was not an all-encompassing blanket statement by Paul as the following verses show.

But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. Acts 13:14 NKJV

Now it happened in Iconium that they went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks believed. Acts 14:1 NKJV

Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, ... 10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. ... 16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols. 17 Therefore he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and with the [Gentile] worshipers, and in the marketplace daily with those who happened to be there. Acts 17:1-2, 10, 16-17 NKJV

And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. ... 19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there; but he himself entered the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews. Acts 18:4, 19 NKJV

And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God. Acts 19:8 NKJV

And it came to pass after three days that Paul called the leaders of the Jews together. So when they had come together, he said to them: "Men [and] brethren, though I have done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans, Acts 28:17 NKJV

Not God, but that's what Paul claimed.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:- Romans 11:13 KJV
And the reason he said that was??? You can continue to read where the below ends, to get even greater context.

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy [those who are] my flesh and save some of them. Romans 11:13-14 NKJV

What would be a good acronym for "text, context, greater context"? TCGC? hummmm

That God could not assign multiple Apostles to preach to whoever he wanted to but if so, they could only do so in a specific order? :)
Not God, but that's what Paul claimed.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:- Romans 11:13 KJV

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;- Galatians 2:7 KJV

It's obvious that Paul made a clear and adamant division here. It's also one of the places that people use to preach this Two Gospel heresy.

There is only one Covenant in Jesus - the one Jesus taught that we should obey.
Again TCGC. However, I will agree that people will use this as support in trying to create different gospels which I believe there are, but not unto Salvation. Sad, really. Yes, there is one Covenant in Jesus unto Salvation, but I will say, there is much "Good News" to be received by that very Covenant. :)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. Have you ever been a lumberjack? Curious. I once had a young man working for me in a no windows headquarters while in the Air Force. He was so disenchanted in what he was doing, that I asked him, what would you rather be doing? He answered "lumberjack". So, I told him as his time to reenlist was coming up. "Go" become that Lumberjack you want to be. I hated losing him because he was a hard worker, but his well-being was more important to me. Awhile later after he left the Air Force, I received a picture in the mail of him down in the Florida Everglades in front of a trailer, holding an axe, with the start of what I'm sure would eventually become an impressive beard, and the biggest smile on his face! \o/
 
WOW !
Reading many of the Viewpoints expressed here on This Site, I see a very large diversion of thoughts, which is normal; and most likely good.

It seems however; that Many do not obey The Instruction give. "Study to show Yourself approved of God, A WORKMAN, who need not be ashamed. "RIGHTY DIVIDING" the word of Truth.
I am not saying that I Myself, have all the correct answers to hat The Scriptures teach; Far from that! What I am saying is; that many do not, study. Many read, and then take what They desire to, and move on
Coming to an understanding of The Bible scriptures, requires MUCH prayer, and STUDY!
I give here a very short example
What is your objective, in conducting all that studying of all those things you be studying?
My objective to My study is-- 1- Through prayer to The Spirit Of God, to gain as much spiritual understanding as I can here in The Flesh.
DeepSeeker
 
au contraire

E. W. Bullinger couldn't think his way out of a paper bag, having foisted the myth of ultradispensationalism upon an uneducated and unsuspecting public. I couldn't begin to express my disdain for him as a scholar. C'mon, the guy preached that the earth was flat.

But if you like reading fairy tales, he has some good ones.

It's just that I wouldn't recommend the equivalent of studying the tales of Harry Potter to gain an understanding of the universe.

Respectfully,
Rhema
RHEMA
It would be very interesting to Me if You could tell Me what You understand! Do You understand more than Bullinger or other early Writers?
If so, I will listen to what You have to say.
DeepSeeker
 
Says who?

All you are doing right now is parroting the claims of Paul. Peter, however, felt otherwise:

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
- Acts 15:6, 7 KJV

Peter said this in public at the church council, and NOBODY disagreed.

Paul made a number of claims that should concern anyone who deeply seeks.

The initial accounts of Paul meeting an angel of light calling itself Jesus say absolutely nothing about any Mission to the Gentiles.

The FIRST mention of this is to Ananias:

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
- Acts 9:15 KJV

Why do people forget this second part? And then why did Paul REJECT this part?

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
- Acts 13:46 KJV

This was Paul's own decision. The text does not say, "lo, the Lord has directed us to turn to the Gentiles." And if Paul was designated as this Apostle to the Gentiles at the start, why did Paul not obey that but evangelized in the Synagogues instead? Paul just got offended that not enough Jews were listening to his message (and rightly so for reasons that we can't get into at the moment), a message that was quite acceptable to the Pagan.


Which Judaism? According to Josephus there were four distinct branches of Judaism that did not agree with one another. Indeed the Pharisees and Sadducees had been assassinating one another over the previous 150 years. One might better say that Paul was attempting to destroy the Messianic Jesus Movement one death at a time when the Damascus event in the desert happened.

But the motives behind Paul's decisions as his ministry progressed and evolved over time are not as simplistic as one's Sunday School teacher would have you believe.


There are no "Two Gospels." There was not a gospel for Jews and a gospel for Gentiles. This is a rather new fictional interpretation created by the Dispensationalists and promulgated by Scofield. I'm sure @The Gospel of Christ could direct you to his threads that deal with this heresy.

Jesus made absolutely no mention of Two Gospels whatsoever, so NO, I don't need to consider anything that Jesus did not teach.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​
- Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.​
- Mark 16:14-16 KJV

THE Gospel. Gospel SINGULAR. Not Two Gospels. The Gospel did not change because of the resurrection. Rather, the resurrection of Jesus proved that His teaching (and His teaching alone) was true.

So if you believe Jesus, why should you need to believe anybody else?

That's an adulteration.

Rhema


1. “Says who?” – Says Jesus Christ, actually.
“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.” — Acts 9:15

You just quoted this verse yourself — and then immediately tried to ignore it.

Jesus didn’t say Paul “claimed” to be an apostle.
Jesus declared it.

And if you don’t trust Jesus’ word to Ananias, then what exactly are you doing pretending to believe the Bible?

2. “Why didn’t Paul go to Gentiles immediately?”

Because Jesus Himself said:
"It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you [Jews]" — Acts 13:46
That wasn’t Paul disobeying. That was Paul following divine order:

“To the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16)
Paul always honored the covenantal pattern — he offered the Gospel to the Jews first, but once they rejected it, the floodgates opened.

3. “Paul was just offended the Jews didn’t listen”
What an idiotic take. Here’s what Paul actually said:

“I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.” — Romans 9:2–3

He wasn’t offended — he was heartbroken.
But he didn’t twist the Gospel to appease them.
He stayed faithful to Christ alone, even if it meant being beaten, shipwrecked, stoned, or hated by Jews and Gentiles alike.

4. “Paul saw an angel of light calling itself Jesus”
You just parroted a New Age, occultist, or Muslim argument — not a Christian one.

If Paul saw a false spirit, then the entire New Testament collapses, including:

Romans
Corinthians
Ephesians
Galatians
Philippians
Colossians
Timothy
Titus
2/3 of Acts

Which means your Bible is shredded — and so is your theology.
And let’s not forget — it was Jesus Himself who blinded Paul on the road to Damascus and spoke to him directly.

This isn’t “Paul’s story.”
This is Christ’s mission — through Paul.

5. “Peter was the one chosen for the Gentiles”
Yes, Peter first opened the door to Gentiles (Acts 10, Cornelius). That was an event, not an appointment.

But Paul was specifically commissioned as the Apostle TO the Gentiles, and Peter affirmed this clearly:
“They saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised...”
Galatians 2:7

So either accept Scripture or call Peter a liar, too.

6. “There are no Two Gospels!”
Correct — there is only one Gospel.
But that Gospel is now fully revealed through Christ crucified and risen, which Paul explains in full:

“Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed...”
Romans 16:25-26

Christ didn't preach to Gentiles during His earthly ministry.
Paul did — because that was the plan all along.

And guess what?
Jesus said this would happen:
“I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also...” (John 10:16)

You're not defending Christ. You're undermining Him.
You say, “Why believe Paul if you believe Jesus?”

That’s called false dichotomy — a classic satanic tactic:
“Did God really say…?”

But Jesus said this about Paul:
“He is a chosen vessel unto Me…”

And Paul said this about Jesus:
“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:9)

Either Paul was a fraud and most of your New Testament is a lie…
Or Paul was sent by Jesus and you need to repent for denying him.

You are Scofield-confused, and trying to wedge Christ against Paul. That’s not Christianity. That’s heresy.

You want Christ without the cross, grace without apostleship, and a Gospel that flatters the flesh instead of crucifying it.

You’re not exposing Paul —
You’re exposing yourself as an enemy of the Gospel.

And if you reject the Apostle Christ appointed,
then you reject the Christ who appointed him.

Worst of all, you’re not just confused —
you’re actively leading others straight to the gates of Hell.

You twist Scripture, pit Christ against His own apostles, and cloak rebellion in pious words.
You deny Paul, ignore Jesus’ own commissioning, and mock the Gospel that saves.

This isn’t harmless error.
This is spiritual treason.

You need to repent — not tomorrow, not later — now.
Because every soul you deceive will rise up and testify against you on the Day of Judgment.

“If anyone preaches a different gospel… let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9) -- That's you..
 
RHEMA
I appreciate Your input. However, There are indeed, Two Gospels. The First being that which was given To Isreal, For Isreal.;
The second, which was preached by Paul, to all in This World. 1- The Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven. 2-The Gospel of God, which Pail preached to ALL Who were being called.

Should That which was given to Isreal be taken for Us Today? If so, We too, should be looking for the Red Bull to be killed. I prefer to keep Christ Jesus as My sacrifice.
DeepSeeker


You say:
“There are indeed Two Gospels... One for Israel, one for the Church…”

WRONG.

There is ONE GOSPEL — and Paul obliterates your Scofield fantasy:

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
— Galatians 1:8

He didn’t say:
“Well, that was my gospel, and Peter had a different one, and John had a Torah-friendly remix, and Jesus had a Kingdom version with a side of burnt offerings.”

No — Paul, Peter, and Jesus all preached the same Christ.
The Gospel is not two messages — it's one revelation, now fully revealed through the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ.

“This mystery was made known to me by revelation… which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations...”
— Ephesians 3:3–5

Paul didn’t “invent” a new gospel — he revealed the fullness of what had been hidden in Christ all along.

“Gospel of the Kingdom” vs “Gospel of Grace”?

The Gospel of the Kingdom wasn’t some alternate salvation plan. It was Christ’s announcement of the arrival of God's reign — first to Israel, then through the cross, to the world.

“The Law and the Prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached...” (Luke 16:16)

The "Gospel of the Kingdom" was not separate from the Gospel of Grace — it was fulfilled in Christ.
The Kingdom came through the Cross.
And now that Gospel goes to all nations.

You trying to split this into two separate “dispensations” is exactly what Satan wants — a divided Christ, a fractured Gospel, a theology where Jews get saved one way and Gentiles another.

That’s not Christianity.
That’s Scofield’s cult — funded by Zionist money, backed by Oxford Press, and swallowed by those who never read the Bible without footnotes.

You both need to wake up.

Rhema — you're playing with blasphemy by suggesting Paul saw a “false Jesus.” You're one inch from calling the Holy Spirit a liar.

Deep Seeker — you're drowning in Scofield Dispensationalism, preaching “another gospel” and making God a liar by suggesting that the cross was somehow optional for Jews. No Apostle, or early Church Father believed a word of what you're typing for 1900 years. No Christian on earth believed what you do until 1909 when the Rockefeller's & Oxford press carpet bombed the U.S. with millions of "Free Scofield Bibles" to warp their minds.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28)

ONE body. ONE Gospel. ONE Lord.
To preach otherwise is not just error — it’s damnable.

Repent — both of you.
Because if you keep attacking Paul, you're not just rejecting a man —

You're rejecting the Christ who sent him.
 
No, he did not you just want
to believe that nonsense and read it into what's written.


No, Scofield disciple — you just want to unbelieve what’s clearly written because it wrecks your two-Gospel circus and exposes your theology as man-made garbage.

Let’s read it word-for-word, not read into it:
“Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.”
Acts 9:15

Jesus didn’t say “Paul claims to be My apostle.”
He told Ananias directly, in clear speech, with no parable, no mystery, no Scofield footnote to confuse it:

“He is a chosen vessel unto Me.”
That's a declaration.
That’s a commission.
That’s Christ Himself ordaining Paul.

So let me make this crystal clear:
If Jesus says Paul is chosen,
and you say He isn’t,
then you’re not disagreeing with Paul —
you’re calling Jesus a liar.

And let me guess: your next move is to say, “Well that was Luke writing, not Jesus talking,” right?

Except Luke was writing under the Holy Spirit, just like Peter affirms:

“No prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.”
— 2 Peter 1:20

So unless you're ready to throw out Acts, Luke, and the authority of Scripture altogether…
Your argument is DOA.

You’re not a defender of Christ — you’re a butcher of the New Testament.

You accuse others of “reading things into the text” while standing on a false doctrine invented by:

a 19th-century failed lawyer named John Nelson Darby
popularized by a Zionist-puppet and convicted conman C.I. Scofield
funded by Oxford Press and Freemason money in 1909
and carpet-bombed across the US in the form of millions of "Free Bibles" from the pit of Hell in 1910—
with footnotes written by the devil himself


You’re not “rightly dividing” anything.
You’re violently twisting the Word of God to fit a blasphemous, Zionist end-times delusion
— a doctrine never once spoken by the mouth of Jesus Christ.

Not one parable.
Not one prophecy.
Not one command from the lips of the Messiah supports your Scofield-fueled fantasy.

You’ve replaced the Gospel with geopolitics.
You’ve traded the cross for a flag.
And you’ve crowned the synagogue of Satan in the name of Christ.

Repent

Because when you deny Paul,
you deny the Gospel.
And when you deny the Gospel,
you deny Christ.
 
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No, Scofield disciple — you just want to unbelieve what’s clearly written because it wrecks your two-Gospel circus and exposes your theology as man-made garbage.

Let’s read it word-for-word, not read into it:
“Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.”
Acts 9:15

Jesus didn’t say “Paul claims to be My apostle.”
He told Ananias directly, in clear speech, with no parable, no mystery, no Scofield footnote to confuse it:

“He is a chosen vessel unto Me.”
That's a declaration.
That’s a commission.
That’s Christ Himself ordaining Paul.

So let me make this crystal clear:
If Jesus says Paul is chosen,
and you say He isn’t,
then you’re not disagreeing with Paul —
you’re calling Jesus a liar.

And let me guess: your next move is to say, “Well that was Luke writing, not Jesus talking,” right?

Except Luke was writing under the Holy Spirit, just like Peter affirms:

“No prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.”
— 2 Peter 1:20

So unless you're ready to throw out Acts, Luke, and the authority of Scripture altogether…
Your argument is DOA.

You’re not a defender of Christ — you’re a butcher of the New Testament.

You accuse others of “reading things into the text” while standing on a doctrine invented by:

a 19th-century failed lawyer named John Nelson Darby
popularized by a Zionist-puppet C.I. Scofield
funded by Oxford University Press and Freemason money in 1909

You're not rightly dividing the Word.
You're violently twisting it to match a Zionist end-times delusion that never once came from the mouth of Jesus.

Repent.

Because when you deny Paul,
you deny the Gospel.
And when you deny the Gospel,
you deny Christ.
Nowhere in all the Bible
Where Jesus is quoted
To saying that he appointed
or anointed Paul to be
His apostle.
 
Nowhere in all the Bible
Where Jesus is quoted
To saying that he appointed
or anointed Paul to be
His apostle.


Really?

Then what do you call this?

“He is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles…”
Acts 9:15 (Jesus speaking)

Jesus spoke from heaven, blinded Paul, knocked him down, and personally commissioned him.

“Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?” (Acts 9:4)
“I am Jesus… arise and go.” (Acts 9:5–6)

Jesus called.
Jesus chose.
Jesus sent.

You're not arguing with Paul.
You're arguing with the risen Christ — and calling Him a liar.

Repent.
 
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