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Praying in the Spirit Romans 8:26-30

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Loyal
@Yib2me -- in All Seriousness -- What ever 'spirit' you are listening To -- it is Not sounding the least bit Godly or loving -- maybe you're in to reading some other kind of religious literature. Be Very careful as to 'what' you Are listening to.
 
Loyal
The lake of fire part that's the best part that's when we are no longer plagued everyday of our lives with evildoers who refused to cease from doing evil.

Look at John 3:16 --"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that who so ever believes in Him won't perish but have everlasting life."
 
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It's very dangerous if you don't test with the Bible what you hear. Test every spirit.

1 Timothy 2:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Pray for All Men

2 Therefore I [a]exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, andgiving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in [b]authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and [c]reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior.

My ex always tested it when he thought it was God. He'd say: Do you confess Jesus is Lord? Do you confess Jesus has come into the flesh? And sometimes they screamed no and sometimes God said: yes son cause I'm your Father. Watch out with spirits talking and assuming it's the Holy Spirit. Test. He never goes against His own Word in the Bible. Satan comes as an angel of light.
i’m only replying in agreement here .
i was hurt several years ago by demons . you can only be hurt by demons if you let them in . how did i let them in my life ? i believed a lie that they told me. the lie was that they told me they were the lord.
it took several years to undo the pain i suffered .
please test those who claim to be god.
your soul is a battlefield and the demons will try everything to mislead you .
i was hurt so badly i don’t want anyone else to experience my pain . it was so bad i almost killed my self i was that desperate.
 
Loyal
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Long ago Jesus told me that just because someone ask him to come into their heart does not mean that he enters into their heart.

There are a many a soul who thinks Jesus entered into their heart after they asked him to do so but they are deceived he turned them down and did not accept them.

I think you misunderstood, God calls us, we do not call Him. Jesus stands at the door of our heart and knocks but we must open the door of our heart to Him.

Now there are many who may ask Jesus into their heart, we may see them do so, but God knows their heart. It is not the Lord rejecting them it is their heart not being right at the time, not really meaning it.

Now the trouble is that the person said it, without meaning it, they are not born again but think they are! There are lots of them about. The deceiver of souls is loving it, and they go forth and deceive others.

Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves, there fruit type will reveal them.
 
Loyal
I was raised in Bible / in a good Bible-teaching church -- had great head knowledge of salvation and lots of things, but it was a while before I realized -- even though I Did pray about salvation -- my heart had to understand more -- and when I finally realized that I didn't have to walk down the aisle to be saved -- I could talk to God 'right where I was' -- that I Did. And Then when I thanked God for my salvation through Jesus Christ --Then I knew that everything was okay -- I felt the inner presence of the Holy Spirit. the inner Peace.
 
Loyal
Now the trouble is that the person said it, without meaning it, they are not born again but think they are! There are lots of them about. The deceiver of souls is loving it, and they go forth and deceive others.
I agree with this, but in your view... what is the difference between the two? Can it be explained in simple language?
Everyone believes in Jesus, Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, even the demons. So what is the difference between them and someone who is saved?
 
Loyal
There's a difference between being a moral person and a person's life / countenance showing love and peacefulness. A person who truly loves God / Jesus won't be outwardly identifying as a Muslim. A person's life will be exhibiting the fruit of having the Holy Spirit indwelling them. I mentioned Muslim people because they wear their garb that identifies them upon sight. That particular religious group has vowed to take this country like they take other countries.

I acknowledge the existence of satan and the demonic world -- I certainly do Not identify with them.-- they are totally evil,
 
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I agree with this, but in your view... what is the difference between the two? Can it be explained in simple language?
Everyone believes in Jesus, Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, even the demons. So what is the difference between them and someone who is saved?

The Holy Spirit is in the heart of a saved soul, without the spirit the soul is unsaved and belongs to sin, the world and the devil. It is life or death, a person must be 100% sure or they can go through life thinking they are saved and ending up at the Great White Throne Judgement. How terrible that would be, everyone must be sure they are saved.

There are many who think they are saved, the preacher may have told them so, directly or indirectly, they may have missed scripture being read and not asked for clarification. The preacher may not be born again so doesn't know the difference.

Some think they are saved by reading certain verses, e.g. believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, or, call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved, there are many examples, but John 3:1-21 puts everything in context, 3 times Jesus made clear we must be born again, then towards the end we have the summing up which all should read and understand, Jesus couldn't have made things clearer. So the verses that say 'call on his name's, believe on him are all dependant on what Jesus said in John 3:1-21, we must be born again.

So how do people know they are born again, they have given 'everything' to God through Jesus, repented of their sins which they now realise are vile and stop us being saved. They have declared their faith out loud and from the heart. They become a new creation, they take up their cross and follow Him daily. They find the things of the world and sin vile, they only want to live for and please Jesus, from the heart.

I have heard catholics say, they are the only 'Religion' who will go to heaven, yet the majority, pray through the heart of the blessed virgin mary, take mass and do so not with bread and wine as symbols but actually believe they are eating the body and blood of Jesus. I could add lots more, but how can they be saved if they pray through Mary, worship looking at Jesus on a cross, He is risen!!! It is idol worship.

We have to be right with God, with The Word, everything must be done from the heart, according to God's Word, if it doesn't we can't fool God, the Holy Spirit will not abide in any heart that is in sin and not repented of to God through Jesus, in Jesus Name.
 
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I agree with this, but in your view... what is the difference between the two? Can it be explained in simple language?
Everyone believes in Jesus, Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, even the demons. So what is the difference between them and someone who is saved?
There are those who have received the baptism in the Holy Ghost and are indeed born again of the Spirit, then there are those who are good congregation
members that have no testimony of the infilling but believe they are saved because they accepted Jesus into their heart. This type is always trying to get
someone to go to, or come to church with them, to hear their preacher etc... and make another good congregation member that pays tithes and keeps the
group running. A real Christian, if not a babe in Christ, should be pointing you toward Jesus and him only, not a congregation or denomination or anything
other than the Lord himself, and be able to answer every question you have and show you where it is in the Bible.

We are told in Mark that we would know the believers because of the signs that should follow them. Mark 16:17-18. They know who they are but a sure sign of
a non believer that believes they are saved is they will speak/preach against these things as if they were only for the early elect because they do not possess them.
 
Loyal
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In what way? There are moral atheists, moral Muslims, and moral Roman Catholics. Some are more moral than 'Christians'.

The moral of the story brother is in John 31:21. We must be born again.

The Holy Spirit doesn't abide in a persons heart because they have god morals, they are still sinners, no matter how god they think they are or try to be.

There are lots of people who have good morals, even Christian values, but they do not accepted God's one and only son who died for their sins. They have not repented to God through Jesus, they don't consider themselves sinners.

Without Jesus they are naught, without being saved they are unsaved, without being born again they belong to sin, the world and the devil.

Morals do not save anyone brother, as we know.
 
Loyal
So you're saying that a 'real' Christian should be pointing others to Jesus Christ only -- correct -- there is no salvation is anyone else. and you're saying that a congregation or denomination or anything else would be wrong -- and that a 'real' Christian Should be able to answer every question another person would have and show where it is in the Bible. In Spite of the fact that Scripture Also says to Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together with other believers on a regular basis. Because that is a problem that had been developing.

And the Mark 16 passage did only apply to a given bunch of people at a given time in history.
 
Loyal
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There's a difference between being a moral person and a person's life / countenance showing love and peacefulness. A person who truly loves God / Jesus won't be outwardly identifying as a Muslim. A person's life will be exhibiting the fruit of having the Holy Spirit indwelling them. I mentioned Muslim people because they wear their garb that identifies them upon sight. That particular religious group has vowed to take this country like they take other countries.

I acknowledge the existence of satan and the demonic world -- I certainly do Not identify with them.-- they are totally evil,
They have hanged for years, I remember seeing a video 20 years ago, their chants were, 'Death to Jews, Death to America, Death to all Christian's. They really do want a 'One world Religion'

20 years ago I saw that, many marching were kids under 8 years old and from 8 to adult. It is not surprising then we have seen the rise in Islamic extremism. These kids are 20 years older, they have been brain washed from the cot.

Covid-19 has slowed down many things, I read last year they are rebuilding their forces in the mountains in Iraq. As we approach the end we will see them again, we will see more.

Thank God for Jesus
 
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And the Mark 16 passage did only apply to a given bunch of people at a given time in history.
Then why do I and others have the testimony that we do or have done these things. A thing that is for a believer then is also for a believer now. There is no difference between us and them. It's all spiritual so what changed that takes it away from us and makes it only for them?
But like I said those that do not have the testimony will always speak against it because they do not have it.

In Spite of the fact that Scripture Also says to Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together with other believers on a regular basis.
Scripture never says on a REGULAR BASIS, Paul couldn't do that himself from prison and he's the one that wrote the verse. It is always best to let the babe in Christ
be taught by the Lord first, then they can venture out and see if there even is a congregation that knows the truth. 1 John 2:26-27 is a warning and it should
be heeded by all of us as we come to the close of the first death.
 
Loyal
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There are those who have received the baptism in the Holy Ghost and are indeed born again of the Spirit, then there are those who are good congregation
members that have no testimony of the infilling but believe they are saved because they accepted Jesus into their heart. This type is always trying to get
someone to go to, or come to church with them, to hear their preacher etc... and make another good congregation member that pays tithes and keeps the
group running. A real Christian, if not a babe in Christ, should be pointing you toward Jesus and him only, not a congregation or denomination or anything
other than the Lord himself, and be able to answer every question you have and show you where it is in the Bible.

We are told in Mark that we would know the believers because of the signs that should follow them. Mark 16:17-18. They know who they are but a sure sign of
a non believer that believes they are saved is they will speak/preach against these things as if they were only for the early elect because they do not possess them.

Agree brother

A saved soul knows they are and also knows what part of the church they are. We are as saved souls, spiritual living stones, each built together with other spiritual stones, together we are built into the Church of Christ, the ekklesia, regardless of age, sex, ability, disability, colour or tongue. We are the elite whom humble ourselves before the Lord, we are the fortunate that never stops praying for the unfortunate, those who think they know best and wallow in worldy riches, materialism and ways.

We are a chosen people, God called us, we are His, Christ paid the price we should pay ourselves. We are adopted into His family, co-heirs in Christ Jesus.

We think more of others that ourselves, the Holy Spirit lives in us moulding us daily to be the people He wants us to be, we practice righteousness and take up our cross daily to be more like Jesus.

We love one another as Christ loves us, our fruits are there for all to see.

But the unsaved are only interested in worldly things, material things, worldly riches, some go to places of worship as they feel it makes them look better people, but God knows the Truth, He sees the heart of every soul, we are saved or we are not, there is no luke warm, no wall or fence between, we are His or we are not.

Bless you brother
 
Loyal
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So you're saying that a 'real' Christian should be pointing others to Jesus Christ only -- correct -- there is no salvation is anyone else. and you're saying that a congregation or denomination or anything else would be wrong -- and that a 'real' Christian Should be able to answer every question another person would have and show where it is in the Bible. In Spite of the fact that Scripture Also says to Not forsake the assembling of ourselves together with other believers on a regular basis. Because that is a problem that had been developing.

And the Mark 16 passage did only apply to a given bunch of people at a given time in history.

If I could answer every question relating to the Bible, my name would be Jesus, and it isn't.
 
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If I could answer every question relating to the Bible, my name would be Jesus, and it isn't.
You ever had the Lord test you by using others to ask you questions you knew they were to young to ask, or even unlearned to know what they were asking?

Bible does say study to show yourself approved unto God a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. My general comment earlier
was that a non astute person shouldn't be asking too many tough questions. But rather generalized stuff. On the other hand when Jesus spoke it was only what
the Father told him to say. Some questions were never answered. And most with just parables.
 
Loyal
Then why do I and others have the testimony that we do or have done these things. A thing that is for a believer then is also for a believer now. There is no difference between us and them. It's all spiritual so what changed that takes it away from us and makes it only for them?
But like I said those that do not have the testimony will always speak against it because they do not have it.



Scripture never says on a REGULAR BASIS, Paul couldn't do that himself from prison and he's the one that wrote the verse. It is always best to let the babe in Christ
be taught by the Lord first, then they can venture out and see if there even is a congregation that knows the truth. 1 John 2:26-27 is a warning and it should
be heeded by all of us as we come to the close of the first death.

Just because some believers Do speak in tongues doesn't mean it's something that All believers Should be able To do. Those people - at that time in Scripture - Were given those abilities to set them apart to be able to Be recognized by others. I haves no desire To speak in tongues or To caste out demons -- we Are told to stay away From demon activities. Because it Is dangerous. Back in That day - in That area there was a lot of demonic possession activity. So they were given that ability because it was Needed at that time. So - no - I'm Not jealous of anyone who Has done either of those things.


And -- in a normal set of circumstances -- we Are to meet together on a regular basis. Because That passage says there were those who were Not doing so and they needed To.
 
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