PERFECTION THROUGH BELIEF IN YESHUAH BY THE AIRFLOW OF GOD

[regibassman57]

I really think somebody is spending too much time listening to povawige. Now the man has you all twisted up, and you don't know what to believe.

Bendito, You could not answer my questions when I first started this forum. The only thing you did was insult people and were not serious about the conversations. You would answer question with laughter and insults but you would not answer direct questions; you would speak "around" the question.

Did Jesus purge your sins and Sanctify you once for all according to scripture?
Were you cleansed from sins once for all according to scripture?
Did Jesus blot out your sins once for all according to scripture?
Did Jesus cancel your sins according to scripture?

You have all the scripture that qualify the answers to these questions, but you refuse to acknowledge them as truth. You say the contrary. If you sin you have not been purged once for all. If you sin yuo have not been sanctified once for all. If you sin you have not been cleansed or healed of your sins. Your sins have not been canceled according to you. You are speaking contrary to what Jesus said He finished.

 

[Dave M]

I learned how to talk crazy about Christians on this forum because of you and your crew. I told you God checked me and I didn’t go any further. I am not insulting you or personally accusing you, but I am telling you what scripture says.

You are not refusing me, but you are refusing what scripture says. I notice you don't know how to respond to this scriptures. The truth make us free. You and everyone that says you sin, have not been made free.

thanks exactly what I was talking about God bless

 

[Bendito]

Bendito, You could not answer my questions when I first started this forum. The only thing you did was insult people and were not serious about the conversations. You would answer question with laughter and insults but you would not answer direct questions; you would speak "around" the question.

Did Jesus purge your sins and Sanctify you once for all according to scripture?
Were you cleansed from sins once for all according to scripture?
Did Jesus blot out your sins once for all according to scripture?
Did Jesus cancel your sins according to scripture?

You have all the scripture that qualify the answers to these questions, but you refuse to acknowledge them as truth. You say the contrary. If you sin you have not been purged once for all. If you sin yuo have not been sanctified once for all. If you sin you have not been cleansed or healed of your sins. Your sins have not been canceled according to you. You are speaking contrary to what Jesus said He finished.

Perhaps you should have been more clear in your question? I asked if I understood it right, and if I answered it right. So if you couldn't clarify your question stop complaining about the answer

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,
My reply to you was not meant to insult you, I would like to have a serious conversation using scripture to prove your position. You don't address what I post.

You seem honest. If you believed you were healed from your sins as Jesus said, you would say you have been healed and would not say anything otherwise. But you don't believe you have been healed from sin or sancified forever. I don't believe I'm wrong. I'm not seeking to battle you, i just know your can present the scriptures as well as any oher person on the forum, but you choose not to anwer certain questions.

 

[regibassman57]

Perhaps you should have been more clear in your question? I asked if I understood it right, and if I answered it right. So if you couldn't clarify your question stop complaining about the answer

My questions are very clear. You say you sin..., do you believe you have been sanctified once for all from sin. as scripture teaches?
Where in scripture does it teach believers have been saved, delivered or made free from the penalty of sin, but not sin?
The only way a person can sin if they have not been made free from sin. The only way a person is free from the penalty of death (for sin), is if they have been made free from the penalty of death.

You believe you have been made free from the penalty of death, but you don't believe you have been made free from sin. You believe as a believer death does not apply to you as the wages of sin.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:2 teaches a bleiever is free from both sin and death.

 

[Bendito]

My questions are very clear. You say you sin..., do you believe you have been sanctified once for all from sin. as scripture teaches?
Where in scripture does it teach believers have been saved, delivered or made free from the penalty of sin, but not sin?
The only way a person can sin if they have not been made free from sin. The only way a person is free from the penalty of death (for sin), is if they have been made free from the penalty of death.

You believe you have been made free from the penalty of death, but you don't believe you have been made free from sin. You believe as a believer death does not apply to you as the wages of sin.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:2 teaches a bleiever is free from both sin and death.

You said. "The only way a person can sin if they have not been made free from sin. The only way a person is free from the penalty of death (for sin), is if they have been made free from the penalty of death."
May I assume you have scripture for this?

If the Word teaches something....I believe it. But like I told your povawige friend. I do not learn the Word by intellect but I rely on the Holy Spirit to teach me. I do not interpret the Word to fit my own agenda.... When the Word says 1 John 1:8-10 (CJB)
8 If we claim not to have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.
10 If we claim we have not been sinning, we are making him out to be a liar, and his Word is not in us.

" That says quite clearly that we DO sin from time to time, and that He has provided the means to get restored to righteousness. I must ask you then....Who is lying here? You? Or God? Its obvious that somebody is lying.
Walking in the light is not sinlessness. It is walking in a way that you have eyes to see in the light, the ugliness of what you just did and you are sorry for it. REPENTANCE
And again, Remember! While you're boasting about how spiritual you are...remember....The demons are spiritual too.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@regibassman57 ,
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Dave, Jesus is no longer the minister of sin;

He never was.
Loook, Jesus paid our penalty for sin on the cross.
When we take advantage of this and become born again then He has paid the price and our sins are no more.

Now then, we continue to grow in Christ and we learn to walk in His ways.

Jesus made us free from being under the power of sin and now we can learn to overcome sin in our lives through Christ.

Jesus did not remove our sin nature but He did break the stronghold of sin over us.

Regi you have a knack of insisting members are saying things they are not according to how you believe.

Please don't take this as an insult but you are truly fooling yourself thinking the Holy Spirit has told you that you are perfect and sin not.

I thank you for taking the time to try and show how you believe.

Oh and putting down on and holding yourself above your brethren is a sin even if you think scripture backs you.

Blessings
Wired

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@Dave,
My reply to you was not meant to insult you, I would like to have a serious conversation using scripture to prove your position. You don't address what I post.

You seem honest. If you believed you were healed from your sins as Jesus said, you would say you have been healed and would not say anything otherwise. But you don't believe you have been healed from sin or sancified forever. I don't believe I'm wrong. I'm not seeking to battle you, i just know your can present the scriptures as well as any oher person on the forum, but you choose not to anwer certain questions.

Brother no offense but it is you who are confusing things. You keep saying others are saying things they are not.
Why? Why can you not reply with and to what is said in a post?

It's getting old but I am sure everyone will agree, we forgive you and hold no aught against you.
Blessings

 

[regibassman57]

@Bendito,

You said. "The only way a person can sin if they have not been made free from sin. The only way a person is free from the penalty of death (for sin), is if they have been made free from the penalty of death."

May I assume you have scripture for this?

A person that sins have not been made free from sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree “cannot” bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

A good tree is a Righteous believer who cannot bring forth or develop evil fruit (sin) because the Root and nourishment comes from Christ where there is no sin. The born again believer is a new creation in Christ whose sins have been circumcised out of the body of their flesh (Col. 2:11). It’s impossible for them to sin; they are not in the nature of sin where sin develops (Col 1:17; Rom. 11:24).

Before a sinner becomes a believer, they can only develop evil fruit/character.

Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

A sinner in the flesh could only bring forth fruit unto death because the wages of sin was death (Rom. 6:23). Sinners are dead because sin has been judged and condemned by Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:3). Once a believer is alive from sin, they are alive from the wages of sin which is death.

Rom 6:22 But now being made “free from sin,” and become “servants to God,” you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

If the Word teaches something....I believe it. But like I told your povawige friend. I do not learn the Word by intellect but I rely on the Holy Spirit to teach me. I do not interpret the Word to fit my own agenda.... When the Word says 1 John 1:8-10 (CJB)
8 If we claim not to have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.
10 If we claim we have not been sinning, we are making him out to be a liar, and his Word is not in us.

That says quite clearly that we DO sin from time to time, and that He has provided the means to get restored to righteousness. I must ask you then....Who is lying here? You? Or God? Its obvious that somebody is lying.
Walking in the light is not sinlessness. It is walking in a way that you have eyes to see in the light, the ugliness of what you just did and you are sorry for it. REPENTANCE
And again, Remember! While you're boasting about how spiritual you are...remember....The demons are spiritual too.

Your understanding of forgiveness of sin is no right on this subject. If a sinner has been purged from all sins “once for all time” (as scripture teaches), their purging can only happen the first time a sinner comes to Jesus and ask for forgiveness. Every believer has been purged and sanctified one time from sin forever (Heb. 10:10-14).

1John is not talking to believers, but to Jews who didn’t believe the report of Jesus as Messiah and didn’t believe they sin. Verses 1John 1:8-10 is talking to unbelieving Jews. John revealed these Jews error when they believed they were walking in truth while walking in darkness (sin). John told them they were lying because there is no darkness in Christ (1Joh. 1:5, 6).

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from “all unrighteousness.”

All “sins” means all, past, present and future sins. This happens once at the time of conversion. At the time of conversion a sinner is washed, sanctified, justified, forgiven, purged, healed, sins blotted out, sins put away, etc. This happens once. A believer cannot have the Spirit of God and sin while the Spirit is in them. Sin comes from the heart where the Spirit of God resides; the two cannot coexist.

 

[regibassman57]

@Fishen,

Brother no offense but it is you who are confusing things. You keep saying others are saying things they are not.

Why? Why can you not reply with and to what is said in a post?

It's getting old but I am sure everyone will agree, we forgive you and hold no aught against you.
Blessings

Fishen, ask me a question if you think I can't or don't answer.

What have I not answered that concerns you? Ask me a question? Just because you or others don't agree with my answers it has to do with your understanding.

 

[regibassman57]

@regibassman57 ,

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He never was.
Loook, Jesus paid our penalty for sin on the cross.
When we take advantage of this and become born again then He has paid the price and our sins are no more.

Now then, we continue to grow in Christ and we learn to walk in His ways.

Jesus made us free from being under the power of sin and now we can learn to overcome sin in our lives through Christ.

Jesus did not remove our sin nature but He did break the stronghold of sin over us.

Regi you have a knack of insisting members are saying things they are not according to how you believe.

Please don't take this as an insult but you are truly fooling yourself thinking the Holy Spirit has told you that you are perfect and sin not.

I thank you for taking the time to try and show how you believe.

Oh and putting down on and holding yourself above your brethren is a sin even if you think scripture backs you.

Blessings
Wired

If Jesus paid the price for sin, that’s make us free from Sin as well as Death right?

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you are free from the power of sin, you would not be the servant of sin and sin. If you sin, sin has power over you that’s why you sinned in the first place.

You were taken out of the sin nature. That what Roman’s 11:24 is saying. Colossians 1:17 says the same. Believers have died to the sin nature according to scripture (Col. 3:3).

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Fishen, is Jesus or God imputing sin unto you or any believer?

I’m not comparing myself to any man, but Christ has told me I am dead to sin.

Answer this question… Have you been healed from sin? Very simple question that other don’t answer for fear of contradicting themselves?

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,
What's new... I ask questions that no one on this forum seem to be able to answer. Please do not post to me what I do not do or don't understand. Not one person that opposes my position can answer my questions it seems, but do a lot of talking about how I'm wrong.

Fishen says I don't anwser questions... funny.

 

[Bendito]

@Bendito,


A person that sins have not been made free from sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree “cannot” bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

A good tree is a Righteous believer who cannot bring forth or develop evil fruit (sin) because the Root and nourishment comes from Christ where there is no sin. The born again believer is a new creation in Christ whose sins have been circumcised out of the body of their flesh (Col. 2:11). It’s impossible for them to sin; they are not in the nature of sin where sin develops (Col 1:17; Rom. 11:24).

Before a sinner becomes a believer, they can only develop evil fruit/character.

Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

A sinner in the flesh could only bring forth fruit unto death because the wages of sin was death (Rom. 6:23). Sinners are dead because sin has been judged and condemned by Jesus Christ (Rom. 8:3). Once a believer is alive from sin, they are alive from the wages of sin which is death.

Rom 6:22 But now being made “free from sin,” and become “servants to God,” you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.




Your understanding of forgiveness of sin is no right on this subject. If a sinner has been purged from all sins “once for all time” (as scripture teaches), their purging can only happen the first time a sinner comes to Jesus and ask for forgiveness. Every believer has been purged and sanctified one time from sin forever (Heb. 10:10-14).

1John is not talking to believers, but to Jews who didn’t believe the report of Jesus as Messiah and didn’t believe they sin. Verses 1John 1:8-10 is talking to unbelieving Jews. John revealed these Jews error when they believed they were walking in truth while walking in darkness (sin). John told them they were lying because there is no darkness in Christ (1Joh. 1:5, 6).

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from “all unrighteousness.”

All “sins” means all, past, present and future sins. This happens once at the time of conversion. At the time of conversion a sinner is washed, sanctified, justified, forgiven, purged, healed, sins blotted out, sins put away, etc. This happens once. A believer cannot have the Spirit of God and sin while the Spirit is in them. Sin comes from the heart where the Spirit of God resides; the two cannot coexist.

John 8:34 (CJB)
34 Yeshua answered them, “Yes, indeed! I tell you that everyone who practices sin is a slave of sin.

John 8:34-38 (MSG)

34-38 Jesus said, “I tell you most solemnly that anyone who chooses a life of sin is trapped in a dead-end life and is, in fact, a slave. A slave is a transient, who can’t come and go at will.

Matthew 7:18 (KJV)
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
So you're saying that even if a man commits a single sin once he is saved, he is going to hell...Nice I'm glad you're not God, because God said to Come and confess our sin and He'll be faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and more...He'll cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness......
Either you're lying in your teaching or He is....Which is it?

You mentioned that 1 John is speaking only to unbelieving Jews...OK
I will not refute that....But still....Show me a single verse in the entire bible that a Believer cannot grab onto and have it work in his own life.

You said. "All “sins” means all, past, present and future sins. This happens once at the time of conversion. At the time of conversion a sinner is washed, sanctified, justified, forgiven, purged, healed, sins blotted out, sins put away, etc. This happens once. A believer cannot have the Spirit of God and sin while the Spirit is in them. Sin comes from the heart where the Spirit of God resides; the two cannot coexist."

When you are born again, the Holy Spirit is united with your spirit.....Your mind and body are still unredeemed and it's up to you to work out that salvation with fear and trembling. The old nature needs to be replaced with the nature of God.
Old habits need to be broken etc.....That's the part that will fail you. Your old way of thinking and such. God expects that you will fall on occasion....I'm so glad He is not legalistic and dogmatic that He would send somebody to hell for making a mistake....I'm glad your parents were not like that.

 

[Bendito]

If Jesus paid the price for sin, that’s make us free from Sin as well as Death right?

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you are free from the power of sin, you would not be the servant of sin and sin. If you sin, sin has power over you that’s why you sinned in the first place.

You were taken out of the sin nature. That what Roman’s 11:24 is saying. Colossians 1:17 says the same. Believers have died to the sin nature according to scripture (Col. 3:3).

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Fishen, is Jesus or God imputing sin unto you or any believer?

I’m not comparing myself to any man, but Christ has told me I am dead to sin.

Answer this question… Have you been healed from sin? Very simple question that other don’t answer for fear of contradicting themselves?

I understand you addressed this to Wired 4 Fishen. but......What is the law of sin and death? Tell me please. That is what we are set free from. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
You said. "If you are free from the power of sin, you would not be the servant of sin and sin. If you sin, sin has power over you that’s why you sinned in the first place" You do realize there is no place in the entire bible that talks about 'the power of sin'? Where are you getting that? Really, there is no room in the life of any Christian for your heresies. Stick with the Word or stop, listen, and learn. But please do not teach heresy.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

@Fishen,


Fishen, ask me a question if you think I can't or don't answer.

What have I not answered that concerns you? Ask me a question? Just because you or others don't agree with my answers it has to do with your understanding.

Again I never said that

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Fishen says I don't anwser questions... funny.

Brother please simply stop saying I said things I never did.

 

[regibassman57]

@Bendito,

John 8:34 (CJB)

34 Yeshua answered them, “Yes, indeed! I tell you that everyone who practices sin is a slave of sin.

John 8:34-38 (MSG)

34-38 Jesus said, “I tell you most solemnly that anyone who chooses a life of sin is trapped in a dead-end life and is, in fact, a slave. A slave is a transient, who can’t come and go at will.

The reason I know you are wrong here is because Jesus said he would make them “free” from sin; as that is the context. You can’t be made free from sin and sin at the same time. Being free from something and practicing something are two different understandings.

Matthew 7:18 (KJV)

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
So you're saying that even if a man commits a single sin once he is saved, he is going to hell...Nice I'm glad you're not God, because God said to Come and confess our sin and He'll be faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and more...He'll cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness......
Either you're lying in your teaching or He is....Which is it?

You still do not have the understanding of Matthew 7:18; and I didn’t say it, Jesus did. If you sin, you are not saved; that’s what Jesus is saying because you have not believed the report that has been made of Him. You don't believe sin has been removed as scripture teaches. Any believer that is saved is in the body of Christ, and they cannot sin because it impossible to sin in the root of Christ where there is no sin (1Joh. 3:5). A believer has been forgiven once for all times where sin is concerned. Redemption from sin and forgiveness of sins happens “ONCE” (Heb. 9;12).

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath Jesus quickened together with him, having forgiven you “ALL” trespasses;

You mentioned that 1 John is speaking only to unbelieving Jews...OK
I will not refute that....But still....Show me a single verse in the entire bible that a Believer cannot grab onto and have it work in his own life.

I assume you’re talking about sin? I’ve continually showed where scripture teaches a believer cannot sin (1Joh. 3:6, 9). You say it's taking about practicing sin and I’ve showed you that’s impossible. You and I are believers on two different sides of believing 1John and other scriptures are concerned. You are lying or I am. You are practising sin or I am. You are saying believers cannot practice sin; that's a lie according to your defintion. You or I as believers have been continually sinning for years based on our beliefs and what we speak. Lying is a sin whether intentional or not in your sight.

You said. "All “sins” means all, past, present and future sins. This happens once at the time of conversion. At the time of conversion a sinner is washed, sanctified, justified, forgiven, purged, healed, sins blotted out, sins put away, etc. This happens once. A believer cannot have the Spirit of God and sin while the Spirit is in them. Sin comes from the heart where the Spirit of God resides; the two cannot coexist."

When you are born again, the Holy Spirit is united with your spirit.....Your mind and body are still unredeemed and it's up to you to work out that salvation with fear and trembling.

Incorrect, you have been bought with a price. Your body is the members of the body of Christ and the temple of the Holy Ghost. Not your spirit, your body. You spirit is your breath; lose your breath, lose your life. Sin has been circumcised out of your physical body.

Col 2:11 In whom also you are circumcised (sin cut out of you) with the circumcision made without hands, in “putting off the body” of the “SINS OF THE FLESH” by the circumcision of Christ:

This is telling us Jesus has cut sin out of the body and flesh of man. This is why a believer cannot sin in the flesh because there is no sin in the flesh. Believers have also been given a new heart and a new Spirit (Holy Spirit) (Eze. 36:26).

The old nature needs to be replaced with the nature of God.

Old habits need to be broken etc.....That's the part that will fail you. Your old way of thinking and such. God expects that you will fall on occasion....I'm so glad He is not legalistic and dogmatic that He would send somebody to hell for making a mistake....I'm glad your parents were not like that.

This causes a believer to become unfruitful. They will not bring forth the character of Jesus Christ. A believer does have to renew their mind, but God gives Grace and is not imputing sin unto a believer. Legalism is what you are allowing yourself to operate under. Sin is the transgression of the law, which makes you a keeper of the law and legalistic. God is not dogmatic because He is not imputing sin unto believers, but you are imputing sin unto yourself making yourself dogmatic. You do not understand the law and imputation of sin by your post.

 

[Bendito]

@Bendito,




The reason I know you are wrong here is because Jesus said he would make them “free” from sin; as that is the context. You can’t be made free from sin and sin at the same time. Being free from something and practicing something are two different understandings.



You still do not have the understanding of Matthew 7:18; and I didn’t say it, Jesus did. If you sin, you are not saved; that’s what Jesus is saying because you have not believed the report that has been made of Him. You don't believe sin has been removed as scripture teaches. Any believer that is saved is in the body of Christ, and they cannot sin because it impossible to sin in the root of Christ where there is no sin (1Joh. 3:5). A believer has been forgiven once for all times where sin is concerned. Redemption from sin and forgiveness of sins happens “ONCE” (Heb. 9;12).

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath Jesus quickened together with him, having forgiven you “ALL” trespasses;



I assume you’re talking about sin? I’ve continually showed where scripture teaches a believer cannot sin (1Joh. 3:6, 9). You say it's taking about practicing sin and I’ve showed you that’s impossible. You and I are believers on two different sides of believing 1John and other scriptures are concerned. You are lying or I am. You are practising sin or I am. You are saying believers cannot practice sin; that's a lie according to your defintion. You or I as believers have been continually sinning for years based on our beliefs and what we speak. Lying is a sin whether intentional or not in your sight.



Incorrect, you have been bought with a price. Your body is the members of the body of Christ and the temple of the Holy Ghost. Not your spirit, your body. You spirit is your breath; lose your breath, lose your life. Sin has been circumcised out of your physical body.

Col 2:11 In whom also you are circumcised (sin cut out of you) with the circumcision made without hands, in “putting off the body” of the “SINS OF THE FLESH” by the circumcision of Christ:

This is telling us Jesus has cut sin out of the body and flesh of man. This is why a believer cannot sin in the flesh because there is no sin in the flesh. Believers have also been given a new heart and a new Spirit (Holy Spirit) (Eze. 36:26).



This causes a believer to become unfruitful. They will not bring forth the character of Jesus Christ. A believer does have to renew their mind, but God gives Grace and is not imputing sin unto a believer. Legalism is what you are allowing yourself to operate under. Sin is the transgression of the law, which makes you a keeper of the law and legalistic. God is not dogmatic because He is not imputing sin unto believers, but you are imputing sin unto yourself making yourself dogmatic. You do not understand the law and imputation of sin by your post.

Why don't you simply let Jesus decide whom He saved instead of deciding for Him....Let the Holy Spirit be the Holy Spirit instead of trying to do His job. And let the Father decide what the law says instead of telling Him what He means when He speaks....
I'm done banging my head on a wall here.

 

[regibassman57]

@Bendito,

I understand you addressed this to Wired 4 Fishen. but......What is the law of sin and death? Tell me please. That is what we are set free from. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of sin is as Paul and other scriptures describe it. The law of sin made a man conscious of sin and imputed sin unto him. The scriptures below gives the understanding of the law of sin.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If you were "UNDER" or "JUSTIFIED" by the law, it told you that you've sinned.

Gal 3:19 Why then serve the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence (sin) might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

The law was added to show a man what sin was. Paul said he had not known sin but by the law, he had not known lust except the law said thou shall not covet (Rom. 7:7). Israel was married to the law. The law imputed sin unto a man as well as the punishment for their sin (law of sin and death (Rom. 6:23). The Judicial Law, Ceremonial Law, Sacrificial Law and the Royal Law were in union as one voice. If you break one of these laws, you have broken all 600 however many laws were on the books (Jam. 2:10). This is the law of sin and death. You could not have sin without death. But the law moderated what sin was and what punishment was associated with that sin.

You said. "If you are free from the power of sin, you would not be the servant of sin and sin. If you sin, sin has power over you that’s why you sinned in the first place" You do realize there is no place in the entire bible that talks about 'the power of sin'? Where are you getting that? Really, there is no room in the life of any Christian for your heresies. Stick with the Word or stop, listen, and learn. But please do not teach heresy.

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

I’ve always look at the strength of sin as the power of sin. The reason sin does not have dominion over you, or power over you is because you are not “under” the law that told you you’ve sinned.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not "UNDER" the law, but "UNDER" grace.

Jesus is not imputing sin unto a believer and the law of justification has been removed throiugh Jesus Christ on the cross. Sin does not have power over any believer because they are no longer justified by the law. The law cannot tell you that you’ve sinned. When a man was under the law, the law was his schoolmaster and spanked their behind as Nuns did for those that went to Cathlic School.

Gal 3:23 But before faith (Jesus Christ) came, we were kept “UNDER” the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith (Jesus) is come, we are no longer “UNDER” a schoolmaster.

The law cannot tell a believer they sin. This is the law of sin; and the law also condemned a man for their sin; which is where death was imposed.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Why don't you simply let Jesus decide whom He saved instead of deciding for Him....Let the Holy Spirit be the Holy Spirit instead of trying to do His job. And let the Father decide what the law says instead of telling Him what He means when He speaks....
I'm done banging my head on a wall here.

Couldn't have said it better!