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PERFECTION THROUGH BELIEF IN YESHUAH BY THE AIRFLOW OF GOD

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I would seriously question any Bible that changes the personage of the Holy Spirit... to the "airflow" of God. I see this as blasphemy. There are scriptures that speak about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Nowhere in the bible does it say the blood ENDS sin. The Word says the blood cleanses us from sin. Then if we sin again, we need to get cleansed again. 1 John 1:9

The use of single verses, partial phrases, partial sentences.....This is not a study...Its an attempt to prove one's point.
 
Nowhere in the bible does it say the blood ENDS sin. The Word says the blood cleanses us from sin. Then if we sin again, we need to get cleansed again. 1 John 1:9

The use of single verses, partial phrases, partial sentences.....This is not a study...Its an attempt to prove one's point.
70 weeks are decreed for your people and your set-apart city, to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for lawlessness… and to anoint the most set-apart one… Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah, the ruler, there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks.
Daniel 9:24-25

for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the aeons to do away away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:18

Yeshuah replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it to the aeon. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
John 8:34-36

For by one offering he has perfected in perpetuity the ones having been set apart.
Hebrews 10:14

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

We know that every one born of God does not sin; but the one born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 5:18

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1 John 3:6

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in the Messiah Yeshuah
Colossians 1:28

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

Clearly you know nothing of the purpose of the first coming of the Messiah.
 
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Clearly you know nothing of the purpose of the first coming of the Messiah
Greetings,
For one, you can not blend in the ways of the old covenant with the new.

The Blood of Christ washes and Cleanses us from sin but it does not stop sin.

Through Christ sin has lost its stronghold on us and we now through Christ can for the first time Over Come Sin.

Blessings
 
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70 weeks are decreed for your people and your set-apart city, to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for lawlessness… and to anoint the most set-apart one… Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah, the ruler, there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks.
Daniel 9:24-25

for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the aeons to do away away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:18

Yeshuah replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it to the aeon. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
John 8:34-36

For by one offering he has perfected in perpetuity the ones having been set apart.
Hebrews 10:14

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

We know that every one born of God does not sin; but the one born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 5:18

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1 John 3:6

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in the Messiah Yeshuah
Colossians 1:28

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

Clearly you know nothing of the purpose of the first coming of the Messiah.
Try that verse in context...
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. 25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times. 26 Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. 27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Means no sin offering for 70 weeks of years.

Context!!
23 Now this is how the copies of the heavenly things had to be purified, but the heavenly things themselves require better sacrifices than these. 24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God.


25 Further, he did not enter heaven to offer himself over and over again, like the cohen hagadol who enters the Holiest Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer death many times — from the founding of the universe on. But as it is, he has appeared once at the end of the ages in order to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as human beings have to die once, but after this comes judgment, 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many,[c] will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to deliver those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Sin sacrifice to be done away with by the sacrifice of Jesus...once and for all..

Romans 6:18 You did capture the key verses here...The context is the entire chapter.

John 8:34-36 Jesus telling the Jews that they are slaves to sin, and that only the Son can set them free...

Hebrews 10:14 in context.....
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;


9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:


12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.


14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,


16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


21 And having an high priest over the house of God;


22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

When a verse begings with words like "like, and, for, because etc indicates a partial thought...Get it into context for the complete thought.

1 John 3:9 An incomplete thought. Your point is ok though. A child of God does not go on in habitual sin.
7 Children, don’t let anyone deceive you — it is the person that keeps on doing what is right who is righteous, just as God is righteous. 8 The person who keeps on sinning is from the Adversary, because from the very beginning the Adversary has kept on sinning. It was for this very reason that the Son of God appeared, to destroy these doings of the Adversary. 9 No one who has God as his Father keeps on sinning, because the seed planted by God remains in him. That is, he cannot continue sinning, because he has God as his Father. 10 Here is how one can distinguish clearly between God’s children and those of the Adversary: everyone who does not continue doing what is right is not from God.

We do not live in sin!
1 John 5:18 Keep the context for a complete picture of what is being said.
18 We know that everyone who has God as his Father does not go on sinning (as a lifestyle); on the contrary, the Son born of God protects him, and the Evil One does not touch him.


19 We know that we are from God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the Evil One.


20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us discernment, so that we may know who is genuine; moreover, we are united with the One who is genuine, united with his Son Yeshua the Messiah. He is the genuine God and eternal life.


21 Children, guard yourselves against false gods!

Do you see what I mean? Keep it in context for a complete picture...Share the entire thought, or teaching. and base your sharing on the complete truth. A text without a context is a pretext....a lie.

As I said....The bible does not talk about sin being ended....Sin WILL be in the world until Satan goes water skiing in the lake of fire.
 
Greetings,
For one, you can not blend in the ways of the old covenant with the new.

The Blood of Christ washes and Cleanses us from sin but it does not stop sin.

Through Christ sin has lost its stronghold on us and we now through Christ can for the first time Over Come Sin.

Blessings
You have not overcome sin if you have not stopped sinning. It is like a thief saying he overcame thievery yet still steals. Your own words demonstrate your own lack of understanding. Through the Messiah the freedom from sin has come, but only if you completely stop sinning, and receive the anointing from him.
 
Try that verse in context...
24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and for your holy city for putting an end to the transgression, for making an end of sin, for forgiving iniquity, for bringing in everlasting justice, for setting the seal on vision and prophet, and for anointing the Especially Holy Place. 25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years], with open spaces and moats; but these will be troubled times. 26 Then, after the sixty-two weeks, Mashiach will be cut off and have nothing. The people of a prince yet to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but his end will come with a flood, and desolations are decreed until the war is over. 27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]. For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

Means no sin offering for 70 weeks of years.

Context!!
23 Now this is how the copies of the heavenly things had to be purified, but the heavenly things themselves require better sacrifices than these. 24 For the Messiah has entered a Holiest Place which is not man-made and merely a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, in order to appear now on our behalf in the very presence of God.


25 Further, he did not enter heaven to offer himself over and over again, like the cohen hagadol who enters the Holiest Place year after year with blood that is not his own; 26 for then he would have had to suffer death many times — from the founding of the universe on. But as it is, he has appeared once at the end of the ages in order to do away with sin through the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as human beings have to die once, but after this comes judgment, 28 so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many,[c] will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to deliver those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Sin sacrifice to be done away with by the sacrifice of Jesus...once and for all..

Romans 6:18 You did capture the key verses here...The context is the entire chapter.

John 8:34-36 Jesus telling the Jews that they are slaves to sin, and that only the Son can set them free...

Hebrews 10:14 in context.....
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;


9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.


10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:


12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.


14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,


16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


21 And having an high priest over the house of God;


22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

When a verse begings with words like "like, and, for, because etc indicates a partial thought...Get it into context for the complete thought.

1 John 3:9 An incomplete thought. Your point is ok though. A child of God does not go on in habitual sin.
7 Children, don’t let anyone deceive you — it is the person that keeps on doing what is right who is righteous, just as God is righteous. 8 The person who keeps on sinning is from the Adversary, because from the very beginning the Adversary has kept on sinning. It was for this very reason that the Son of God appeared, to destroy these doings of the Adversary. 9 No one who has God as his Father keeps on sinning, because the seed planted by God remains in him. That is, he cannot continue sinning, because he has God as his Father. 10 Here is how one can distinguish clearly between God’s children and those of the Adversary: everyone who does not continue doing what is right is not from God.

We do not live in sin!
1 John 5:18 Keep the context for a complete picture of what is being said.
18 We know that everyone who has God as his Father does not go on sinning (as a lifestyle); on the contrary, the Son born of God protects him, and the Evil One does not touch him.


19 We know that we are from God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the Evil One.


20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us discernment, so that we may know who is genuine; moreover, we are united with the One who is genuine, united with his Son Yeshua the Messiah. He is the genuine God and eternal life.


21 Children, guard yourselves against false gods!

Do you see what I mean? Keep it in context for a complete picture...Share the entire thought, or teaching. and base your sharing on the complete truth. A text without a context is a pretext....a lie.

As I said....The bible does not talk about sin being ended....Sin WILL be in the world until Satan goes water skiing in the lake of fire.
All you have done is twist scripture to justify your continuance of sin. The scriptures are clear, we stop sinning once and for all and be perfect. Unless you do this, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you continue sinning willfully, all you will do is reap destruction.
 
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You have not overcome sin if you have not stopped sinning. It is like a thief saying he overcame thievery yet still steals. Your own words demonstrate your own lack of understanding. Through the Messiah the freedom from sin has come, but only if you completely stop sinning, and receive the anointing from him.
povawiqe....I really appreciate your enthusiasm for the Word. If I may, I suggest you allow the Holy Spirit to teach you rather than rely on intellect? The intellect cannot understand the things of the Spirit. And the Holy Spirit craves to be your teacher.
 
povawiqe....I really appreciate your enthusiasm for the Word. If I may, I suggest you allow the Holy Spirit to teach you rather than rely on intellect? The intellect cannot understand the things of the Spirit. And the Holy Spirit craves to be your teacher.
The riches of the kingdom of God are wisdom and knowledge and understanding. Only a fool says, "discard knowledge and understanding, and just believe whatever the majority teach without forethought".
 
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All you have done is twist scripture to justify your continuance of sin. The scriptures are clear, we stop sinning once and for all and be perfect. Unless you do this, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you continue sinning willfully, all you will do is reap destruction.
Why do you accuse me of living in sin when you don't even know me? Did somebody name you judge?
As the Word says, I have been set free from slavery to sin so I do not need to live in sin....Still, If I slip once in a while ...If I confess my sin, He is faithful and just to forgive me my sin and to cleanse me from ALL unrighteousness.....That makes me perfect again. So...in a nutshell....If I stay 'fessed up, I stay perfect. I stay the righteousness of God in the anointed one and His anointing..... Didn't the Holy Spirit teach you that yet? Oh right.....You study the Word intellectually....Sorry
 
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The riches of the kingdom of God are wisdom and knowledge and understanding. Only a fool says, "discard knowledge and understanding, and just believe whatever the majority teach without forethought".
Nobody suggested discarding knowledge and understanding.....Silly thought....I suggested you make a better choice of teachers...Discard intellect and learn in the spirit from the Holy Spirit. Makes sense since YOU ARE A SPIRIT
 
Why do you accuse me of living in sin when you don't even know me? Did somebody name you judge?
As the Word says, I have been set free from slavery to sin so I do not need to live in sin....Still, If I slip once in a while ...If I confess my sin, He is faithful and just to forgive me my sin and to cleanse me from ALL unrighteousness.....That makes me perfect again. So...in a nutshell....If I stay 'fessed up, I stay perfect. I stay the righteousness of God in the anointed one and His anointing..... Didn't the Holy Spirit teach you that yet? Oh right.....You study the Word intellectually....Sorry
Because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Everyone has sinned, and therefore any man that says "it is impossible to stop sinning" or "the blood of the Messiah does not end sin" makes himself known that he has not stopped sinning, because he believes a lie where he doesn't see the need to stop sinning. As such, "slipping once in a while" implies that you are still a slave to sin, because only a man that still has sin in the inward man continues to sin, whether a little sin, or much sin. The Messiah came to free a man from sin, by removing sin from the inward man, which is the circumcision of the heart. If you still sin, you have not been circumcised in the heart. The standard of righteousness became higher with the Messiah, not lower. If an entire generation of Israelites did not enter the promised land because of disbelief and disobedience under the old covenant based on the blood of animals, how much less will men not inherit the kingdom of God under the new covenant based on the blood of the son of God because of disobedience and disbelief? You confuse the mercy and favor of the Messiah to be a license to sin, when in fact, it is quite the contrary, an opportunity to quickly stop sinning once and for all, or be cut off. The Messiah said "be perfect", any less than this and you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived.
 
Nobody suggested discarding knowledge and understanding.....Silly thought....I suggested you make a better choice of teachers...Discard intellect and learn in the spirit from the Holy Spirit. Makes sense since YOU ARE A SPIRIT
"Discard intellect" means discard knowledge and understanding, because knowledge and understanding is intelligence. Even the Hebrew word for "wise" can be rendered as "intelligent", an intelligent man. By your own words of "discard intellect" you prove yourself to be non-intelligent.
 
Nobody suggested discarding knowledge and understanding.....Silly thought....I suggested you make a better choice of teachers...Discard intellect and learn in the spirit from the Holy Spirit. Makes sense since YOU ARE A SPIRIT
Also, "spirits" do not exist, because these are based on myths of ghosts and phantasms that many believers have been fooled into believing. We are body and soul, which was given life by the airflow when God breathed it into the nostrils of a man. The same airflow we have is the same airflow animals have. There is no "spirit", only body, soul, and airflow. You err in your understanding of everything, and are stubborn, and refuse to believe the truth I am telling you.
 
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Because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Everyone has sinned, and therefore any man that says "it is impossible to stop sinning" or "the blood of the Messiah does not end sin" makes himself known that he has not stopped sinning, because he believes a lie where he doesn't see the need to stop sinning. As such, "slipping once in a while" implies that you are still a slave to sin, because only a man that still has sin in the inward man continues to sin, whether a little sin, or much sin. The Messiah came to free a man from sin, by removing sin from the inward man, which is the circumcision of the heart. If you still sin, you have not been circumcised in the heart. The standard of righteousness became higher with the Messiah, not lower. If an entire generation of Israelites did not enter the promised land because of disbelief and disobedience under the old covenant based on the blood of animals, how much less will men not inherit the kingdom of God under the new covenant based on the blood of the son of God because of disobedience and disbelief? You confuse the mercy and favor of the Messiah to be a license to sin, when in fact, it is quite the contrary, an opportunity to quickly stop sinning once and for all, or be cut off. The Messiah said "be perfect", any less than this and you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived.
Ah? So you're saying you never do anything that is disobedient to the Word? That you NEVER sin? What's it like being a block of stone?

Yes! Messiah came to set us free from slavery to sin..And He did that. He came to be the sacrifice that paid the penalty for our sin, He died in our place and we follow Him through death to being created brand new creatures, free from all bondage...He did not, however wipe our old nature out...That's for us to do....You are probably the only person to accomplish that in the last two thousand years....Or you are lying to yourself. Which would not be smart at all....So which is it? Are you completely sinless or a liar? Remember....you can be only one or the other...Your rules.
 
Ah? So you're saying you never do anything that is disobedient to the Word? That you NEVER sin? What's it like being a block of stone?

Yes! Messiah came to set us free from slavery to sin..And He did that. He came to be the sacrifice that paid the penalty for our sin, He died in our place and we follow Him through death to being created brand new creatures, free from all bondage...He did not, however wipe our old nature out...That's for us to do....You are probably the only person to accomplish that in the last two thousand years....Or you are lying to yourself. Which would not be smart at all....So which is it? Are you completely sinless or a liar? Remember....you can be only one or the other...Your rules.
No, the airflow of God is the one who removes sin from the inward man, causing him to never sin, this is the work of God, not our own work. This is where you err, because you do not believe God is able to cause a man to never sin again, by his airflow.
 

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