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People before Christ from the Old Testament, are they saved?

Joel 2 begins with 1-... for the day of the LORD cometh.....10- the sun and the moon shall be dark and the stars shall withdraw their shining. This is a vision of the Day of the LORD. Not
escape from Egypt as the Israelites never FOUGHT with the Egyptians during their exodus.

These things are spiritually discerned, but this is really plain stuff.

Yes it is staright forward isn't it.

Jeremiah 46:
9Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow.

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For this is the day of the LordGOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Zechariah 14:


1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:


7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.


12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

only those that were saved, after those who accepted the Gospel
go up from year to year to worship the King?

Yesterday
1 Samuel 1:3 (KJV) And this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto the LORD of hosts in Shiloh.
And the two sons of Eli, Hophni, and Phinehas, the priests of the LORD, were there.

Deuteronomy 12:5-11 (KJV) But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:
And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
And there ye shall eat before the LORD your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee.
Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.
For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about so that ye dwell in safety;
Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave-offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

Today
Hebrews 10:2-10 (KJV) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
But in those sacrifices, there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
By the which will, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Is this one of the passage many say are not written for us? Who do you say the 'ye' are in this verse?

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
 
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Is this one of the passage many say are not written for us? Who do you say the 'ye' are in this verse?

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

exactly, receiving the Gospel in faith, but they're always a But :mask: and rather say at this time

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
 
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Is this one of the passage many say are not written for us? Who do you say the 'ye' are in this verse?

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

by worshipping the King, they will be accepted by the Lord

Jesus said ,'No one can come to the Father except by Me.
 
by worshipping the King, they will be accepted by the Lord

Jesus said ,'No one can come to the Father except by Me.


John 14:6-7 (NKJV) Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him."

John 6:44 (NKJV) No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.


Is it the very last day?
 
John 6:44 (NKJV) No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Is it the very last day?

Just curious, do you think being drawn to Jesus, and being resurrected happens on the same day?
Or is it possible someone could be saved for 60 or 70 years between the 2 events?
 
Bet most posters her are just like the Jews 2000 years ago ... looking for a king to rescue you from the world you choose to see. Most missed His kingdom, reads to me as if they wanted a king like David not the one they got.

When He tells us to not be part of the world is He saying we should jump off the planet? NOPE We are to live when and where He has placed us correct? Live on the earth but not be 'wordly' . Read the way He tells us of His Kingdom.

Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. What does the phrase 'at hand' mean?

Mat_5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Do you think "is" meant some day 2000+ years from then?
Mat_6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Do you really believe God did not answer His Lamb His only Begotten in the affirmative? Are they not of one Spirit?

Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
So many are seeking human power to rule over some one else.. Is that His righteousness?

Mat_11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
How could His Kingdom suffer violence if it wasnt there?

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Did Jesus cast out devils ?

Mat_13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Can we be the children of His Kingdom and be the good seeds if the kingdom is not here now? do not the good seeds and tares grow together?

Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Did Jesus not know what He was saying?

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

I will stop here most dont read post this long.. :)
 
Just curious, do you think being drawn to Jesus, and being resurrected happens on the same day?
Or is it possible someone could be saved for 60 or 70 years between the 2 events?

Yes
my mom passed away at 90 years of old, but she was saved, 15 years ago
those who are in a heavenly place await the resurrection
The resurrection only occurs at the very end, where the Lord resurrects his chilrens, at the Bema
can you specify two events?

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
those why die in faith, and their those, at the end of there those in the very end of their life can be saved

2 Corinthians 5: 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

The White Throne is the very last judgment
if God chooses he can save anyone at any age, even the unborn because the Lord chose them
 
The White Throne is the very last judgment
if God chooses he can save anyone at any age, even the unborn because the Lord chose them


You limit the scale of Gods plan by assuming that it is all over at the great judgement. But as the complete plan is not completely written yet you cannot assume the end at that point.

Judgement if examined carefully has been translated from 2 words krisis, and gnome, these 2 words have a different meaning than judgement, that being krisis= crisis, and gnome= a way
of knowing.

Thus a crisis- a time of great trouble, a turning point. Gnome- a way of knowing. Slap the 2 together you get. A crisis as a way of knowing. Not a literal guilty or not guilty.

This can be shown during the judgement period in that those who are judged are judged ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. Now if the only thing that was necessary to stay out of
the lake of fire was whether or not one was born again, thus an elect, then there would be no reason to judge according to the works of the non elect.

Now if the great judgement creates a crisis as a way of knowing, it creates a belief because of seeing. They are there, they see Jesus, and are judged according to works. Why?
In order to place them back in the lake of fire in the same spiritual spot they were prior to their death. However; they have now been shown that the truth of Jesus' resurrection
is indeed true. More to this but no time or space.

2 Thes 1:4-5 "So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: which is a
MANIFEST TOKEN OF THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT OF GOD, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer."

As noted in the above the righteous judgement produces persecutions and tribulations that make one worthy of the kingdom of God. And yes these are elect being perfected. But it does show
that Gods judgement is not one of guilty or not guilty. It is crisis as a way of entering the kingdom more than one has already. Maturity.

One last note. The lake of fire includes the false prophet (all false religions), the beast (government), Satan, death, the grave, etc....
First: this planet is a lake of fire within as the core is nothing more than molten lava at 9,800 degrees F.
Second: death and the grave are enemies that are put under Jesus' feet thus simply destroying them is not the way that is done. As all things including death and the grave are to be reconciled,
so we have death and the grave in the second death because people will die and be buried.
Government is composed of people who run it. Thus government will be up and running during the second death period, as well as false religion. Why? So that the next group of elect
will suffer persecutions and tribulations, as we who go through them now, for their own good. 1Thes 1:4-5
And you might ask the question why would Satan be placed back in at this point? To do the same thing he does now. He as an anti Christ figure is charged with carrying out the will of God for
all when it comes to the negative things in life that are actually for our benefit, but we do not like them in the least while they are happening. Jesus' betrayal and crucifixion as an example, which
in the betrayal, Satan used Judas, but God is the one whom had foreordained Jesus to be the Lamb of sacrifice to take away the sin of the world, before the world was made. Satan was charged
with carrying out that will, though I would have to say he did not want to as in doing so he lost the power of death.

Fear hath torment 1 Jo 4:18, thus organized religion uses fear of eternal torment to keep the sheep in their care in line and paying the bills. But if there is no understanding of the spiritual
meaning of the words of the book then fear and torment are all that one will see.
However; Jesus plainly stated that the words which He spoke were Spirit and LIFE. Not eternal torment.
John 12:47 ...........for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." Suppose He will not accomplish that for which He came???????
 
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